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[-Skorpious-]

Massadonious1 wrote...

-Skorpious- wrote...
By then it will already have been too late.

Then I worded it wrong.

No one is expressing the proper type of concern. No one is asking for clarification on whether this suit will be the only thing Ashley wears or if it is, can it still operate in space or a vaccum.

All I'm hearing is irrational anger and assumptions over limited information.

There is no constructive criticism here.

Ashley's current armor will make it into the final product - Bioware is not going to abandon a design they spent months working on and felt confortable showing to the public at E3 (not to mention Christina's cryptic tweets essentially confirms that Ashley's ME3 design as being final).

Those of you who are angry that others have differing opinions (shocking, I know) regarding Bioware's "artistic vision" can rest knowing that it will not be abandoned because of our concerns. What we are doing, at least what I am doing, is asking for an alternate outfit to appease those of us who value a no-nonsense Ashley over her Miranda 2.0 catsuit. 

I fail to see why our criticism is less valid/important than yours. 

Modifié par -Skorpious-, 11 juin 2011 - 08:37 .

[AngelicMachinery]

marshalleck wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Aren't these the shoes that are supposed to give you a better butt?

Shoes don't do that. Exercise does.

They're Marketting shoes that do that just by walking,  at least I've seen the ads.  I'm not saying it makes sense,  I'm just saying it's possible that's why they are designed with heels... 

[MegaBadExample]

Massadonious1 wrote...

-Skorpious- wrote...
Complaining afterwards is more pointless than complaining beforehand. 

Then I worded it wrong.

No one is expressing the proper type of concern. No one is asking for clarification on whether this suit will be the only thing Ashley wears or if it is, can it still operate in space or a vaccum.

All I'm hearing is irrational anger and assumptions (about her personality as well) over limited information.

There is no constructive criticism here.

Finally.
It's just a outfit.

[mopotter]

marshalleck wrote...

mopotter wrote...

Mister Mida wrote...

diskoh wrote...

Nothing like a long hard day of coding to come home and hop on twitter to be screamed at about outfits.

Well, she can always... well, you know, not go on Twitter

Exactly.

Are you saying you want Christina Norman to stop posting ME3 info on twitter?

 

Nope.  I don't really care about twitter.  I've tweeted twice and don't expect to ever tweet again.  

I'm saying if she hates it to the point where it's stressing her out she needs to decide whether or not it's worth it.  If she's still tweeting then she probable dosen't care if people are complaining to her.  But I do think people shouldn't be rude on any medium.  Tweet, message, e-mail, in person and those that are, don't do anything for their cause.

[Massadonious1]

-Skorpious- wrote...
Ashley's current armor will make it into the final product; Bioware is not going to abandon a design they spent months working on and felt confortable showing to the public at E3 (not to mention Christina's cryptic tweets essentially confirms that Ashley's ME3 design as being final).

You're still not getting it.

I never debated on whether this particular design will get scrapped. I'm debating, that again, based on limited information, this WONT be the ONLY THING SHE WEARS THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE GAME.

[gosimmons]

I'm trying to be reasonable about my criticism.


All I'm hoping is that we'll have the option to have our squad wear realistic attire when going into hazardous environments, and combat situations. Is that too much to ask?

Modifié par gosimmons, 11 juin 2011 - 08:40 .

[KateKane]

gosimmons wrote...

I'm trying to be reasonable about my criticism.


All I'm hoping is that we'll have the option to have our squad wear realistic attire when going into hazardous environments, and combat situations. Is that too much to ask?

Apparently

[-Skorpious-]

Massadonious1 wrote...

-Skorpious- wrote...
Ashley's current armor will make it into the final product; Bioware is not going to abandon a design they spent months working on and felt confortable showing to the public at E3 (not to mention Christina's cryptic tweets essentially confirms that Ashley's ME3 design as being final).

You're still not getting it.

I never debated on whether this particular design will get scrapped. I'm debating, that again, based on limited information, this WONT be the ONLY THING SHE WEARS THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE GAME.

If Me2 is any indication, it will be the same outfit with pretty new colors. Now this may not end up being the case, and I'll be estatic, but voicing these concerns before they are final additions to the game is preferable to staying silent.

[Massadonious1]

gosimmons wrote...

I'm trying to be reasonable about my criticism.


All I'm hoping is that we'll have the option to have our squad wear realistic attire when going into hazardous environments, and combat situations. Is that too much to ask?

Someone that DOES get it.

No, it is not too much to ask.

[mopotter]

Temaperacl wrote...

KateKane wrote...

kreite wrote...

Just a thought here ( I think I heard this earlier on the thread) but maybe her hair's like that cause she had to leave in a hurry from some important event where she had to look presentable but still look official cuz y'know, the reapers comin out of nowhere an' attacking earth with the local defenses being unprepared.

Am I missing something here? not being snarky I just usually miss something (like my grammar)

It is a possibility, but after ME2 a lot of of aren't confident that this will be the case.

Exactly this.  If we knew that were the reason or if we knew this was just her casual wear, you would have many fewer people voicing their objections to it. The problem is that we don't have any information that indicates that this is the case.

I often think BioWare has fun watching to see how many people disagree with each other over subjects like this.  They have bets going to see how many pages within 10 days or how long it will be until someone goes over the edge so the subject is locked.  

[Mr. MannlyMan]

KBomb wrote...

Mr. MannlyMan wrote...


Erm... here's a Codex excerpt on armor.

The last level of protection is provided by the suit's microframe
computers, whose input detectors are woven throughout the fabric. These
manage the self-healing system, which finds rents in the fabric and,
assuming any such tear would wound the flesh underneath, seals the area
off with sterile, non-conductive medi-gel. This stanches minor wounds
and plugs holes in the suit that could prove fatal in vacuum or toxic
environments. Soldiers are not always fond of the "squish skin" that
oozes gel on them at a moment's notice, but fatalities have dropped
sharply since the system was implemented.


Oopsies.

That doesn’t negate the fact that it’s unrealistic as in you can’t do that in real life. In fact, you proved my point. That is a codex from a game. Where you can bend reality to suit the realm you wish to create.

When people say "it's realistic" in regards to the armors, what they really mean is "I could really see this being what armor looks like in the future," and the Codex thoroughly explains how they work too.

The ME1 armors look practical and "down-to-Earth". The Codex backs this up.

Tight-fitting, slim armor with a v-neck, high heels, and small spots of isolated armor plating on a female character, looks like sex. The Codex, the game, nothing really backs this up as being "lore-friendly" or having any sort of plausibility in the game world.

Then again, ME2 was practically the bane of ME1's vision of a totally coherent, explainable universe, since we got Jack and Miranda running around with practically no sensible wear (hey, how does Jack get auto-medigelled anyway?). Sorry, I just respect consistency in fictional universes. I don't respect inconsistencies within a single arcing trilogy. It makes me facepalm when people defend it as being "just a game". What was the point of building a vast library of Codex entries if the devs weren't planning on really adhering to it, anyway?



Edit: I'm personally convinced that Drew Karpyshyn was the driving force behind this vision. It's almost like the devs were getting tired of his uncompromising handle on the universe, so when he left the ME2 team the people working on it just started taking liberties with everything that had been done up to that point. Of course, I'm jumping to conclusions. It's just a suspicion.

Modifié par Mr. MannlyMan, 11 juin 2011 - 08:51 .

[mopotter]

diskoh wrote...

mopotter wrote...

diskoh wrote...

Mister Mida wrote...

diskoh wrote...

Nothing like a long hard day of coding to come home and hop on twitter to be screamed at about outfits.

Well, she can always... well, you know, not go on Twitter

So she should be cut off from something she enjoys doing because people can't control their misdirected rage?

Well, if she enjoys it, she'll have to take the whole package.  Too bad her twitter is part of her job,  Instead of telling them about artistic views, maybe she should tell them who is in charge of making those artistic decisions and let that person deal with the hate.  

i think she should just block them.

 This would work for me.  Unless it's part of her job and she's getting paid to put up with it.  Couldn't pay me enough.  At least I don't think they could.

[AlanC9]

Adanu wrote...
Have you actually looked up what armor is made from in universe? It's kinetic padding with shield/biotic tech. You can just as easily make a catsuit from something like that as shepard type armor.

It wasn't until I started reading posts here that I even considered that Miranda's suit might not be armor.

Still doesn't explain the lack of helmets. Or the cleavage on certain characters who shoudl know better. Or Jack.

[Mr. MannlyMan]

Massadonious1 wrote...

gosimmons wrote...

I'm trying to be reasonable about my criticism.


All I'm hoping is that we'll have the option to have our squad wear realistic attire when going into hazardous environments, and combat situations. Is that too much to ask?

Someone that DOES get it.

No, it is not too much to ask.

Yeah, man. You should have made this clear.

I would totally go for a sensible outfit swap, even if it was optional. When Miranda's AAP armor came out, I actually started using her regularly. Same thing will happen with Ashley if this is the case.

[Massadonious1]

-Skorpious- wrote...
If Me2 is any indication, it will be the same outfit with pretty new colors. Now this may not end up being the case, and I'll be estatic, but voicing these concerns before they are final additions to the game is preferable to staying silent.

And if 9/11 is any indication, I can expect the next Muslim walking down my street to have a suicide bomb strapped to their chest.

Again, history should not get in the way of rational thinking. If this is the only thing she wears throughout the entire game, then you have my permission to ressurect this thread and point as many fingers as you would like in my face. All I'm asking from everyone here is people to use RATIONAL thought before jumping to such wild conclusions.

Modifié par Massadonious1, 11 juin 2011 - 08:53 .

[Wulfram]

Massadonious1 wrote...

Then I worded it wrong.

No one is expressing the proper type of concern. No one is asking for clarification on whether this suit will be the only thing Ashley wears or if it is, can it still operate in space or a vaccum.

Lots of people have.  But since lots of people - including a Bioware employee - are keen to argue that this is totally appropriate wear for her to be taking on the reapers in, people are responding to said argument.

And if it isn't what she's going to wear in combat after the start of the game, then Bioware could always tell us that.  If you intentionally release restricted information you can't complain when people come to the wrong conclusions, particularly when if you refuse to correct these misunderstandings.

[Sylvianus]

KateKane wrote...

gosimmons wrote...

I'm trying to be reasonable about my criticism.


All I'm hoping is that we'll have the option to have our squad wear realistic attire when going into hazardous environments, and combat situations. Is that too much to ask?

Apparently

Again why do you say that ? Can you quote where they said such a thing please ?

[KBomb]

gosimmons wrote...

I'm trying to be reasonable about my criticism.


All I'm hoping is that we'll have the option to have our squad wear realistic attire when going into hazardous environments, and combat situations. Is that too much to ask?

I don’t think it’s too much to ask for at all. I understand most of the concerns. On the other hand, it isn’t too much to believe that some people like her new look and are okay with the new look as long as the stats and upgrades offer adequate protection. Realism in a game is subjective. You may want to see someone wearing heavy armor because visually it tells you that he/she is protected. While others would be okay seeing lighter armor that is more aesthetically pleasing as long as it offers sound protection.

Not everyone who likes Ashley’s new look does so because it’s a “omg she looks so sexy!”

[Massadonious1]

Wulfram wrote...
 But since lots of people - including a Bioware employee - are keen to argue that this is totally appropriate wear for her to be taking on the reapers in, people are responding to said argument.

Mrs. Norman said no such thing. People are taking that quote to extremes. 

[-Skorpious-]

Massadonious1 wrote...

-Skorpious- wrote...
If Me2 is any indication, it will be the same outfit with pretty new colors. Now this may not end up being the case, and I'll be estatic, but voicing these concerns before they are final additions to the game is preferable to staying silent.

And if 9/11 is any indication, I can expect the next Muslim walking down my street to have a suicide bomb strapped to their chest.

Again, history should not get in the way of rational thinking. If this is the only thing she wears throughout the entire game, then you have my permission to ressurect this thread and point as many fingers as you would like in my face. All I'm asking from everyone here is people to use RATIONAL thought before jumping to such wild conclusions.

And I'm sorry, but "waah waah sexism" is actually less preferable to staying silent. Because honestly, in the lifetime of this thread, I haven't heard much else.

I am rationally assuming that a previous ME game will function like a previous ME game. But like I said, if Ashley has proper armor in ME3 than YOU can  point fingers in MY face, but until such information is confirmed, I feel comfortable letting Bioware know that I do not agree with everything that they do. 

Plus, I never used the sexism card. Some users =/= the entire board. 

[Wulfram]

Massadonious1 wrote...

Wulfram wrote...
 But since lots of people - including a Bioware employee - are keen to argue that this is totally appropriate wear for her to be taking on the reapers in, people are responding to said argument.

Mrs. Norman said no such thing. People are taking that quote to extremes. 

OK, she didn't say it explicitly.  But she clearly implied it.  Either it is Ashley's combat outfit or she's messing with us.

And, of course, if she's been misinterpreted she's free to correct people.

[VelvetStraitjacket]

Why the **** do some people want everything to be "real"? You want real, ok....let's make everything real. One shot to the the head or chest kills you, and you can't play again....ever. That's real.
And the thing about high heels....what the ****? I have a friend who's a transvestite and she can run in high heels with no problem. I've seen plenty of chicks running in high heels and singers like Lady Gaga doing whole shows in high heels.

Modifié par PsychoHitsPeach, 11 juin 2011 - 08:56 .

[Mr. MannlyMan]

Wulfram wrote...

Massadonious1 wrote...

Then I worded it wrong.

No one is expressing the proper type of concern. No one is asking for clarification on whether this suit will be the only thing Ashley wears or if it is, can it still operate in space or a vaccum.

Lots of people have.  But since lots of people - including a Bioware employee - are keen to argue that this is totally appropriate wear for her to be taking on the reapers in, people are responding to said argument.

And if it isn't what she's going to wear in combat after the start of the game, then Bioware could always tell us that.  If you intentionally release restricted information you can't complain when people come to the wrong conclusions, particularly when if you refuse to correct these misunderstandings.

Yeah, this was discussed in the first few pages of the thread. Since everybody seems to be so keen about arguing their point though, the thread inevitably goes off the track.

[Massadonious1]

Then we'll have to agree to disagree then.

And I never said it was you, specifically, though I made one of my own mistakes. An assumption based on limited information.