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[Iakus]

[quote]Predi1988 wrote...

I can't believe this thread is still going on about Ashley's look. Which is - the circumstances considered - just for the occasion. That is Shepards trial and any sensible person would go for a trial in a suit that makes her/himself look good. And, as she is professional, Ash wouldn't say "wait guys, before we fly in for Shepard, I need to change into my battle armor". She didn't had the time for that. [/quote]

And Bioware can end this debate right now by confirming that this is the case (as much as this debate can be ended at this point)  I've heard nothing do far.  Have you?

[quote]
But even if that is her combat armor, the game takes place in the future. Do you haters really think that 170 years in the future, they wouldn't come up with a material that super durable, but thin as a cloth?[/quote]

See Bluko's excellent  post about military hardsuits.  That's what armor of the future is made of.  Before they became superhero costumes, anyway.

[quote Look at Miranda's "catsuit", do you think the hexagonal pattern is just for the look?  Or the thickness of the fabric is against the coldness of the ship interior? [/quote]

Yes and maybe.

[Bluko]

Antivenger wrote...

Calinstel wrote...

My concern with the new Ashley look is this. If that is her real armor, then how the hell do you put a helmet on in a vacuum or hostile environment? From its looks, I fear we are going to be treated to more imbecilic and childish depictions of humans and aliens on a chlorine saturated world with a simply oxygen mask.

Hadn't thought of that.

Don't like the suit so much now...

Yep good to know Ashley doesn't need a proper suit to land on alien worlds or wear helmet if she goes in to space. I mean really when would we ever fight have to fight in space or something? This isn't Science Fiction. If we fight in space all the Characters can just wear a breather mask and maintain an atmosphere with their magic Biotics.

Good thing to know Ashley's attire is only useful in Earth-like environments.

But hey it's not like Shepard has ever had to fight in vacuum environments! Oh wait...

Battle of the Citadel
Arrival

It's not like there's ever a risk of life support failing. Clearly stuff like this doesn't happen anymore...




All you need in space is breather mask right guys?

[gosimmons]

KBomb wrote...

gosimmons wrote...

I'm trying to be reasonable about my criticism.

All I'm hoping is that we'll have the option to have our squad wear realistic attire when going into hazardous environments, and combat situations. Is that too much to ask?

I don’t think it’s too much to ask for at all. I understand most of the concerns. On the other hand, it isn’t too much to believe that some people like her new look and are okay with the new look as long as the stats and upgrades offer adequate protection. Realism in a game is subjective. You may want to see someone wearing heavy armor because visually it tells you that he/she is protected. While others would be okay seeing lighter armor that is more aesthetically pleasing as long as it offers sound protection.

Not everyone who likes Ashley’s new look does so because it’s a “omg she looks so sexy!”

It seems to be a balance between what's practical and what looks good. But would it be odd to say that I thought outfits could seem practical And aesthetically pleasing? Shep's armor isn't complained much about for one thing, and I've kind of liked Liara's new outfit. (though I'd prefer if she had a helmet instead of a mask) 

Personally, I didn't really like the overall design of some outfits, like Jack's or Samara's.  So I found it kind of ironic that people said they were sacrificing realism to make them look cooler, when I didn't even think the design looked good as casual wear. I guess  it bothers me a bit that I was supposed to automatically prefer the spandex and exposed cleavage styles to the old ones, and there wasn't much say in the matter with squad customization downgraded. So I can understand opinions saying it was forced fanservice.

If you like the less armored look like this, that's fine, but I can hope that those who preferred the old style, or find it unrealistic, aren't forced to use it the whole time.

Modifié par gosimmons, 11 juin 2011 - 09:43 .

[Fragglespank]

shinobi602 wrote...

Lol, can't believe this topic is still going.

People need to give it a rest.

Same posts every day, same pictures every day.

BSN = 4chan.

[Eshaye]

@gosimmons
I complain about Shepard's armor all the time but I am in the minority so modding is all that's probably going to be available to people like me, sadly

Bluko wrote...

All you need in space is breather mask right guys?

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Absolutely!! That's what the designers are telling us, hells Christina said the main protective element in suits are the mass effect fields (shields) Well AWESOME! Give Shepard a catsuit too or the level of disappoint won't be matched (by myself). Not that anyone's going to care mind you what Femshep looks like compared to Ash. And no one's going to care that with all this talking about ASh's serious lack of hardware Kaidan the biotic who's able to generate his own fields is stomping around in massive armor.... 

I REALLY hope there's some GREAT RP reason why this is the case Bioware. 

Modifié par Eshaye, 11 juin 2011 - 09:54 .

[shinobi602]

Bluko wrote...

Antivenger wrote...

Calinstel wrote...

My concern with the new Ashley look is this. If that is her real armor, then how the hell do you put a helmet on in a vacuum or hostile environment? From its looks, I fear we are going to be treated to more imbecilic and childish depictions of humans and aliens on a chlorine saturated world with a simply oxygen mask.

Hadn't thought of that.

Don't like the suit so much now...

Yep good to know Ashley doesn't need a proper suit to land on alien worlds or wear helmet if she goes in to space. I mean really when would we ever fight have to fight in space or something? This isn't Science Fiction. If we fight in space all the Characters can just wear a breather mask and maintain an atmosphere with their magic Biotics.

Good thing to know Ashley's attire is only useful in Earth-like environments.

But hey it's not like Shepard has ever had to fight in vacuum environments! Oh wait...

Battle of the Citadel
Arrival

It's not like there's ever a risk of life support failing. Clearly stuff like this doesn't happen anymore...




All you need in space is breather mask right guys?

Thankfully that doesn't take away from my enjoyment of the game even 0.00001%.

It didn't even really come to my attention until a small minority on this forum blew it up to epic proportions.

[Nohvarr]

iakus wrote...

But even if that is her combat armor, the game takes place in the future. Do you haters really think that 170 years in the future, they wouldn't come up with a material that super durable, but thin as a cloth?

See Bluko's excellent  post about military hardsuits.  That's what armor of the future is made of.  Before they became superhero costumes, anyway.

But if Ashley's new suit can do everything a hard suit can do without being as bulky, why would she continue to use a hard suit?

[JayhartRIC]

Her suit could easily close up and all she would need is a helmet.

[diskoh]

Something I can agree with the whiners on are high heels. Miranda's shoes were just stupid. However I've seen no evidence of Ashley wearing high heels in ME3.

[Eshaye]

Nohvarr wrote...

iakus wrote...

But even if that is her combat armor, the game takes place in the future. Do you haters really think that 170 years in the future, they wouldn't come up with a material that super durable, but thin as a cloth?

See Bluko's excellent  post about military hardsuits.  That's what armor of the future is made of.  Before they became superhero costumes, anyway.

But if Ashley's new suit can do everything a hard suit can do without being as bulky, why would she continue to use a hard suit?

Why would ANYONE?! Oh I know, because according to Christina, they feel like it....  Better be good reasons why that is or the hate thread post launch won't compare to this. 

[Machazareel]

diskoh wrote...

Something I can agree with the whiners on are high heels. Miranda's shoes were just stupid. However I've seen no evidence of Ashley wearing high heels in ME3.

If you look at the still photo of her, blow it up so it becomes really grainy and blurred, close your eyes and click your own high heels together and recite "there's no shoes like heels!" 3 times you'll have probably managed to imprint the idea so fimly into your mind that that is indeed what you are seeing.

Why would ANYONE?! Oh I know, because according to Christina, they feel like it....  Better be good reasons why that is or the hate thread post launch won't compare to this.

Maybe it's a prototype, or at the very least in limited supply?

Modifié par Machazareel, 11 juin 2011 - 10:00 .

[Iakus]

Nohvarr wrote...

iakus wrote...

But even if that is her combat armor, the game takes place in the future. Do you haters really think that 170 years in the future, they wouldn't come up with a material that super durable, but thin as a cloth?

See Bluko's excellent  post about military hardsuits.  That's what armor of the future is made of.  Before they became superhero costumes, anyway.

But if Ashley's new suit can do everything a hard suit can do without being as bulky, why would she continue to use a hard suit?

Why indeed?  Why is Shepard not wearing it?  Oh, right, iconic.  Well that just leaves Kaidan, Garrus, Liara, this James Vega guy, and everyone else who may appear in the game in an actual hardsuit.

[Massadonious1]

mopotter wrote...

Massadonious1 wrote...

It's in the same place that states that this is the only suit she's ever going to wear.

If you can find either, let me know.

Ahhh.  one of those places.

It's one of those places I'm apparently not allowed. Maybe I just need to blow up Christina Norman's Twitter feed.

Modifié par Massadonious1, 11 juin 2011 - 10:05 .

[Nohvarr]

Eshaye wrote...

Nohvarr wrote...

iakus wrote...

But even if that is her combat armor, the game takes place in the future. Do you haters really think that 170 years in the future, they wouldn't come up with a material that super durable, but thin as a cloth?

See Bluko's excellent  post about military hardsuits.  That's what armor of the future is made of.  Before they became superhero costumes, anyway.

But if Ashley's new suit can do everything a hard suit can do without being as bulky, why would she continue to use a hard suit?

Why would ANYONE?! Oh I know, because according to Christina, they feel like it....  Better be good reasons why that is or the hate thread post launch won't compare to this. 

Ah so we're in agreement, Ashley's new lighter suit can do everything a hard suit can do, and thus there's no reason for her to wear a bulky hard suit. I'm glad we cleared that up.

I figure Kaiden, being an L2 Biotic needs something extra provided by his suit. That said, The Alliance is going to hand out standard gear to most of their grunts (Like James Vega) and save the good stuff for special ops (like say Human Spectres)

Garrus

Dosen't have the money or resources to gain that kind of advanced customized armor, and we don't have the specs for Turian designed gear.

Liara

A suit, but more like Kasumi's full body  wear, than a hard suit. Actually, the stomach area seems to have ridges similar to the ones on Ashley's chest armor in ME 3

James Vega

Hasn't seen the larger universe and is likely unaware of his options.

Modifié par Nohvarr, 11 juin 2011 - 10:08 .

[Temaperacl]

shinobi602 wrote...
Thankfully that doesn't take away from my enjoyment of the game even 0.00001%.

But it does impact the enjoyment of some other people. I know there are some ME2 squadmates I never use simply because I find their outfits ridiculous.

[Edit: Although I will take this point to reiterate that my issue with Ash's appearance do not center around the armor (except for the opening at the top)]

Modifié par Temaperacl, 11 juin 2011 - 10:05 .

[shinobi602]

Temaperacl wrote...

But it does impact the enjoyment of some other people.

Well, then hopefully there are outfits/armors for both groups of people. But Bioware has a vision for their games that want to stick to, and I doubt they'll change what they like for a small group of fans.

Temaperacl wrote...
I know there are some ME2 squadmates I never use simply because I find their outfits ridiculous.

Wow...that's...crazy to say the least

[Mr. MannlyMan]

Nohvarr wrote...

Eshaye wrote...

Nohvarr wrote...

iakus wrote...

But even if that is her combat armor, the game takes place in the future. Do you haters really think that 170 years in the future, they wouldn't come up with a material that super durable, but thin as a cloth?

See Bluko's excellent  post about military hardsuits.  That's what armor of the future is made of.  Before they became superhero costumes, anyway.

But if Ashley's new suit can do everything a hard suit can do without being as bulky, why would she continue to use a hard suit?

Why would ANYONE?! Oh I know, because according to Christina, they feel like it....  Better be good reasons why that is or the hate thread post launch won't compare to this. 

Ah so we're in agreement, Ashley's new lighter suit can do everything a hard suit can do, and thus there's no reason for her to wear a bulky hard suit. I'm glad we cleared that up.

I figure Kaiden, being an L2 Biotic needs something extra provided by his suit. That said, The Alliance is going to hand out standard gear to most of their grunts (Like James Vega) and save the good stuff for special ops (like say Human Spectres)

Like say, form-fitting leather suits for Shepard and Kaidan?

WTF are you on about? If the light suit is functionally the exact same as a hardsuit, provides the exact same amount of protection, why would Kaidan get anything "extra" from his hardsuit? Unless the Alliance wanted to hook Ashley (a lower-ranked marine) up with better armor than a higher-ranked marine?

Modifié par Mr. MannlyMan, 11 juin 2011 - 10:12 .

[Eshaye]

@Nohvarr
NO we are NOT in agreement, all you are doing is bending yourself backwards to make sense of these silly decisions.

IF lightsuits can do everything a hardsuit can, I WANT ONE for Femshep and if she doesn't get one I will call bullsh'it on this whole thing and give you the real reason why things are like this:

Girl squaddie gotta be purty let's give them cute spandex and hair that falls on their face 'cause that's like soooo sexy!

Boys are badasses! Let's put them in strong armor that depicts just how manly they are! yay! I like boys *bat eyelashes*

I hope this isn't the case but that's the general vibe I'm getting right now, somebody prove me wrong, for the love of all that's great and Mass Effect.

Modifié par Eshaye, 11 juin 2011 - 10:14 .

[Iakus]

shinobi602 wrote...

Temaperacl wrote...
I know there are some ME2 squadmates I never use simply because I find their outfits ridiculous.

Wow...that's...crazy to say the least

What, you think I let Jack out of the hold for anything but her loyalty mission before the SM?

Do her tattoos have medigel dispensers?

[shinobi602]

Eshaye wrote...

NO we are NOT in agreement, all you are doing is bending yourself backwards to make sense of these silly decisions.

IF lighsuits can do everything a hardsuit can, I WANT ONE for Femshep and if she doesn't get one I will call bullsh'it on this whole thing and give you the real reason why things are like this:

Girl squaddie gotta be purty let's give them cute spandex and hair that falls on their face 'cause that's like soooo sexy!

Boys are badasses! Let's put them in strong armor that depicts just how manly they are! yay! I like boys *bat eyelashes*

I hope this isn't the case but that's the general vibe I'm getting right now, somebody prove me wrong, for the love of all that's great and Mass Effect.

*yawn*

Knew it was a matter of time before someone played the feminist card.

Stay classy BSN.

Modifié par shinobi602, 11 juin 2011 - 10:15 .

[Machazareel]

Mr. MannlyMan wrote...

Nohvarr wrote...

Eshaye wrote...

Nohvarr wrote...

iakus wrote...

But even if that is her combat armor, the game takes place in the future. Do you haters really think that 170 years in the future, they wouldn't come up with a material that super durable, but thin as a cloth?

See Bluko's excellent  post about military hardsuits.  That's what armor of the future is made of.  Before they became superhero costumes, anyway.

But if Ashley's new suit can do everything a hard suit can do without being as bulky, why would she continue to use a hard suit?

Why would ANYONE?! Oh I know, because according to Christina, they feel like it....  Better be good reasons why that is or the hate thread post launch won't compare to this. 

Ah so we're in agreement, Ashley's new lighter suit can do everything a hard suit can do, and thus there's no reason for her to wear a bulky hard suit. I'm glad we cleared that up.

I figure Kaiden, being an L2 Biotic needs something extra provided by his suit. That said, The Alliance is going to hand out standard gear to most of their grunts (Like James Vega) and save the good stuff for special ops (like say Human Spectres)

Like say, form-fitting leather suits for Shepard and Kaidan?

WTF are you on about? If the light suit is functionally the exact same as a hardsuit, provides the exact same amount of protection, why would Kaidan get anything "extra" from his hardsuit? Unless the Alliance wanted to hook Ashley (a lower-ranked marine) up with better armor than a higher-ranked marine?

Because's he's a sentinel and uses both Tech and Biotic abilities, which can be supplemented by certain suit upgrades, which may take space, need extra power sources, etc.

[Iakus]

Eshaye wrote...
Girl squaddie gotta be purty let's give them cute spandex and hair that falls on their face 'cause that's like soooo sexy!

Boys are badasses! Let's put them in strong armor that depicts just how manly they are! yay! I like boys *bat eyelashes*

I hope this isn't the case but that's the general vibe I'm getting right now, somebody prove me wrong, for the love of all that's great and Mass Effect.

Much as I hate the concept, it is a valid concern.

[Eshaye]

shinobi602 wrote...

Eshaye wrote...

NO we are NOT in agreement, all you are doing is bending yourself backwards to make sense of these silly decisions.

IF lighsuits can do everything a hardsuit can, I WANT ONE for Femshep and if she doesn't get one I will call bullsh'it on this whole thing and give you the real reason why things are like this:

Girl squaddie gotta be purty let's give them cute spandex and hair that falls on their face 'cause that's like soooo sexy!

Boys are badasses! Let's put them in strong armor that depicts just how manly they are! yay! I like boys *bat eyelashes*

I hope this isn't the case but that's the general vibe I'm getting right now, somebody prove me wrong, for the love of all that's great and Mass Effect.

*yawn*

Knew it was a matter of time before some played the feminist card.

Stay class BSN.

Absolutetly yawn yourself to death it doesn't change the image. 


edit: Also if you knew me at all, which I don't expect you would, I am the LAST woman to comment on gender crap and 'feminism' however I call it how it is and so far that's what we are getting and no one who CAN has addressed it. 

iakus wrote...

shinobi602 wrote...

Temaperacl wrote...
I know there are some ME2 squadmates I never use simply because I find their outfits ridiculous.

Wow...that's...crazy to say the least [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/andy.png[/smilie]

What, you think I let Jack out of the hold for anything but her loyalty mission before the SM?

Do her tattoos have medigel dispensers?[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie]

I don't take anyone who doesn't have a proper suit and helmet to certain places. I will even restart a mission if I find someone like Jack in there, to pick someone else. 

Modifié par Eshaye, 11 juin 2011 - 10:18 .