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[Mr. MannlyMan]

Predi1988 wrote...

Then they phrased it wrongly, maybe. Light armor Protects just as well, but for biotic and tech boosts, the armor needs more space. That's why it's bulky.

Also I did some digging, and I found this in the ME codex:

"If a bullet or other incoming object gets past the barrier, it contends
with the more traditional body armor. A sealed suit of non-porous
ballistic cloth provides kinetic and environmental protection,
reinforced by lightweight composite ceramic plates in areas that either
don't need to flex or require additional coverage, such as the chest and
head. When the armor is hit by directed energy weapons, the plates boil
away or ablate rather than burning the wearer.
"

That explains it. So the clothing (like Miranda's) protects from normal weapons, and toxic, heat etc. and the ablative plating is against energy weapons, like the geth sniper rifle, or flamethrowers.

Any more question?

Yeah; why does Miranda get away with an ultra-light suit, and Kaidan gets the heavy-plated armor? See, when it was Miranda's catsuit that was getting ridiculed, people said that her tech and biotics made a heavier suit redundant.

What's your excuse for Miranda's lighter outfit if your excuse for Ashley's outfit follows the exact opposite train of logic?

[Eshaye]

Machazareel wrote...

Shepard != Ashley. He's full of cybernetic implants that increase his strength and speed.

And therefore should be fighting naked. 

[Predi1988]

Massadonious1 wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

Mister Mida wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

Eshaye wrote...

Somebody prove me wrong, for the love of all that's great and Mass Effect.

Huh? 
You're obviously right, but... well, what do you mean "for the love of all that's great and Mass Effect"? You've played ME2! It featured (among other examples) a 15 year girl old single-handedly destroying four heavy YMIR mechs while wearing armor that literally consisted of a pair of nipple piercings.

Unless you think Shepard's a pedophile, Jack is not 15 years old.

You just keep right on telling yourself that, buddy.

Unless you're intent on being intenitonally obtuse for the sake of slinging snarking comments towards BioWare, she is actually older than 15.

Actually she's 18. She was born in 2165

[The Elder King]

onelifecrisis wrote...

Eshaye wrote...

Somebody prove me wrong, for the love of all that's great and Mass Effect.

Huh? 
You're obviously right, but... well, what do you mean "for the love of all that's great and Mass Effect"? You've played ME2! It featured (among other examples) a 15 year girl old single-handedly destroying four heavy YMIR mechs while wearing armor that literally consisted of a pair of nipple piercings.

Sorry, what proves do you have to say that she's 15?

[Machazareel]

Eshaye wrote...

Machazareel wrote...

Shepard != Ashley. He's full of cybernetic implants that increase his strength and speed.

And therefore should be fighting naked. 

That's a ridiculous attempt at a rebuke.

@Machazareel: Shepard is full of cybernetics implants that increase his
strength and speed, which is why he needs heavy armor, as opposed to
mere human Ashley, for whom such armor isn't at all necessary. Sorry,
doesn't make sense.

Special equipment and training: body tight clothing equipment and spine curving training.

It doesn't  make sense because you're not trying to think about it in any way that doesn't support your own position.

His enhanced strength and speed would allow him to wear heavier gear without as much hampering as someone like Ashley would endure.

Won't even respond to your last comment, as it's nothing more than posturing.

Modifié par Machazareel, 11 juin 2011 - 10:44 .

[Eshaye]

Machazareel wrote...

Eshaye wrote...

Machazareel wrote...

Shepard != Ashley. He's full of cybernetic implants that increase his strength and speed.

And therefore should be fighting naked. 

That's a ridiculous attempt at a rebuke.

Is it? Seems to be the logic we're taking around here. 

Modifié par Eshaye, 11 juin 2011 - 10:42 .

[Rip504]

Wow. Really. Just Wow. Ashley has not changed as a character yet. Just her clothing. Let's wait to make these rash arguments until they actually show us a changed Ashley character. Personality isn't based solely on outward appearance. There should be no problem with Ashley changing her look after 3 years as everyone else in the galaxy and on the forums has done.
If you just do not like her new look,that is one thing.
To base your assumption that Ashley has completely changed as a character based off of her looks is a little rash IMO.

[Temaperacl]

E) As I recall hard suits didn't protect against hazardous enviorments in ME 1 why would they start now?

For the most part, this is true that the various grades of armor did not provide additional protection. It is worth noting that when you were in a hazardous environment, though, I believe all characters would wear completely sealed armor (including helmet).

The one exception was, IIRC, the Devlon Industries armors (which if memory serves, were all hard-suits) which did provide a benefit in hostile environments.

Modifié par Temaperacl, 11 juin 2011 - 10:46 .

[Iakus]

Massadonious1 wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

Mister Mida wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

Eshaye wrote...

Somebody prove me wrong, for the love of all that's great and Mass Effect.

Huh? 
You're obviously right, but... well, what do you mean "for the love of all that's great and Mass Effect"? You've played ME2! It featured (among other examples) a 15 year girl old single-handedly destroying four heavy YMIR mechs while wearing armor that literally consisted of a pair of nipple piercings.

Unless you think Shepard's a pedophile, Jack is not 15 years old.

You just keep right on telling yourself that, buddy.

Unless you're intent on being intenitonally obtuse for the sake of slinging snarking comments towards BioWare, she is actually older than 15.

Jack was born in 2161.  ME 2 was in 2185.  THat makes Jack around 24

Modifié par iakus, 11 juin 2011 - 10:48 .

[The Elder King]

Predi1988 wrote...


Actually she's 18. She was born in 2165

Actually, she's 20, since in ME2 we are in 2185. Anyway, I though she was older. Maybe because of her Italian's VA.
edit: on ME wiki it's stated that she's born in 2161, so she's actually 24.

Modifié par hhh89, 11 juin 2011 - 10:47 .

[Predi1988]

Mr. MannlyMan wrote...

Predi1988 wrote...

Then they phrased it wrongly, maybe. Light armor Protects just as well, but for biotic and tech boosts, the armor needs more space. That's why it's bulky.

Also I did some digging, and I found this in the ME codex:

"If a bullet or other incoming object gets past the barrier, it contends
with the more traditional body armor. A sealed suit of non-porous
ballistic cloth provides kinetic and environmental protection,
reinforced by lightweight composite ceramic plates in areas that either
don't need to flex or require additional coverage, such as the chest and
head. When the armor is hit by directed energy weapons, the plates boil
away or ablate rather than burning the wearer.
"

That explains it. So the clothing (like Miranda's) protects from normal weapons, and toxic, heat etc. and the ablative plating is against energy weapons, like the geth sniper rifle, or flamethrowers.

Any more question?

Yeah; why does Miranda get away with an ultra-light suit, and Kaidan gets the heavy-plated armor? See, when it was Miranda's catsuit that was getting ridiculed, people said that her tech and biotics made a heavier suit redundant.

What's your excuse for Miranda's lighter outfit if your excuse for Ashley's outfit follows the exact opposite train of logic?

Maybe because Miranda was engineered to be a great biotic, whilst Kaiden needs amplifiers to be stronger in that. Besides Miranda in my books is a biotic. She only has the Overload tech ability, an ability that Liara had too. Who is a biotic.

[Massadonious1]

Rip504 wrote...
 Let's wait to make these rash arguments until they actually show us a changed Ashley character. IMO.

Without rash arguments, these forums would be nothing but character appreciation threads.

[Mr. MannlyMan]

Rip504 wrote...

Wow. Really. Just Wow. Ashley has not changed as a character yet. Just her clothing. Let's wait to make these rash arguments until they actually show us a changed Ashley character. Personality isn't based solely on outward appearance. There should be no problem with Ashley changing her look after 3 years as everyone else in the galaxy and on the forums has done.
If you just do not like her new look,that is one thing.
To base your assumption that Ashley has completely changed as a character based off of her looks is a little rash IMO.

Really? I thought the whole point of unique squad outfits was to reflect the characters' personalities and individualize them?

And a dev confirmed that Ashley's changed.

[Predi1988]

hhh89 wrote...

Predi1988 wrote...


Actually she's 18. She was born in 2165

Actually, she's 20, since in ME2 we are in 2185. Anyway, I though she was older. Maybe because of her Italian's VA.
edit: on ME wiki it's stated that she's born in 2161, so she's actually 24.

Ah yes, 20, sorry for that. Just everywhere in the game the year 2183 pops up. I keep forgetting that's the year of ME1
In the shadow broker dossiers, the conversation where they take away the infant Jack from her mother takes place in 2165, so which one is true now?

Modifié par Predi1988, 11 juin 2011 - 10:54 .

[Machazareel]

Those are standard animations for female human NPCs, it has nothing to do with any sexualisation agenda.

She endured it gameplay wise because the game wouldn't really work well with everyone moving at different speeds. But the opponents of the look are the crusaders of lore continuity, so if you don't think she would recieve a markedly easier time moving about in light armor rather than heavy, lorewise, then I don't know what else to tell you.

[Iakus]

Mr. MannlyMan wrote...

Rip504 wrote...

Wow. Really. Just Wow. Ashley has not changed as a character yet. Just her clothing. Let's wait to make these rash arguments until they actually show us a changed Ashley character. Personality isn't based solely on outward appearance. There should be no problem with Ashley changing her look after 3 years as everyone else in the galaxy and on the forums has done.
If you just do not like her new look,that is one thing.
To base your assumption that Ashley has completely changed as a character based off of her looks is a little rash IMO.

Really? I thought the whole point of unique squad outfits was to reflect the characters' personalities and individualize them?

And a dev confirmed that Ashley's changed.

But all change is good.  Don't you dare question change no matter how nonsensical it seems.  Cause if you do you're a troll!

"Rudimentary creatures of blood and flesh, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding."

[onelifecrisis]

Nyoka wrote...

Machazareel wrote...

It doesn't  make sense because you're not trying to think about it in any way that doesn't support your own position.

His enhanced strength and speed would allow him to wear heavier gear without as much hampering as someone like Ashley would endure.

She endured it effortlessly until now.

Well said.

[Predi1988]

onelifecrisis wrote...

Nyoka wrote...

Machazareel wrote...

It doesn't  make sense because you're not trying to think about it in any way that doesn't support your own position.

His enhanced strength and speed would allow him to wear heavier gear without as much hampering as someone like Ashley would endure.

She endured it effortlessly until now.

Well said.

If I work with a machine that weighs 3 kg but someone gave me a new one that weighs 1 kg and still capable of the same thing, I wouldn't use the old one neither.

Modifié par Predi1988, 11 juin 2011 - 10:58 .

[Darkhour]

The only thing I don't like is the way her pants (or really high boots?) meet her waist. That white area makes it look like she is wearing granny panties over her clothes.

Ashley is a hair model SPECTRE*. She doesn't need heavy armor to do that.

* Scalp Penetrating Exfoliation Care Treatment Registered Employee

[KateKane]

Predi1988 wrote...

If I work with a machine that weighs 3 kg but someone gave me a new one that weighs 1 kg and still capable of the same thing, I wouldn't use the old one neither.

So I guess Shepard, Kaidan, and James Vega are dumb enough to do exactly that?

[Machazareel]

Nyoka wrote...

@Machazareel, She didn't fire like that in ME1&2. Soldiers don't fire like that. What happened?

Ah, so you think the game had to make her stronger than what she should be, as a woman. We really should give the poor weak woman some easier time moving around. How nice of you (not really)!

You are a master of ridiculous arguments. It should be blatantly obvious that the gameplay mechanics worked in favor for everyone. Was it in any way plausible that everyone, regardless of bulk, was able to move around as quickly on the battlefield as, say, Kasumi? No, but the game needed them to, so they did.

Regardless, implying that stating Ashley does not have the same physical power of Shepard or Wrex or whatever is demeaning, is just stupid. She doesn't. She's not Wonder Woman.

[Iakus]

Darkhour wrote...

The only thing I don't like is the way her pants (or really high boots?) meet her waist. That white area makes it look like she is wearing granny panties over her clothes.

Makes me think "Well, no miniskirt, but I hope she still got dinner for those thigh-highs they're making her wear"