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[eye basher]

Reason simple is biowares game and they can do whatever the hell they want with it the fact that bioware goes out of there way please the fans of this game even if most of them are ungrateful as hell and want it there way or the highway so guess what whe ME3 comes around ashley will have a cat suit and the ammo powers are still gonna be there live with it.

[Nohvarr]

Nyoka wrote...

Nohvarr wrote...

All the picture I'm posting are of armors that increased powers/biotics

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Cool, that's why Liara and Miranda really take advantage of that armor's biotic capabilities. Oh wait.

Bad example, Liara is an Asari information broker with who knows what gear hidden in her suit.

Miranda is a perfectionist Cerberus operative with who knows what tech threaded through her suit.

You need a character-based reason why Ashley would change.

Because her access to better resources allowed her to design custom armor that would give her all the advantages of a hardsuit without the weight? Because she's grown as a person in the two years you've seen her and learned how to fight differently?

[LPPrince]

Nyoka wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

And again, you realize that Christina Norman is the Lead Gameplay Designer, right?

How about waiting for what Ashley's actual artist has to say about the matter? Or you know, someone more relevant to her aesthetic development?

That would make sense if she had said something like "sorry not really my department, y'all have to wait for the aesthetic development guy."

However, she has given a response on why this change has happened. Are you saying she just made something up while she was speaking? I don't buy that: I take Christina Norman seriously.

Any developer could comment on anything from any other department. Doesn't mean what they say is the law.

[KBomb]

Nyoka wrote...

Nohvarr wrote...

Bad example, Liara is an Asari information broker with who knows what gear hidden in her suit. Miranda is a perfectionist Cerberus operative with who knows what tech threaded through her suit.

Cool, Kaidan is a spectre, who knows what gear hidden in his light armor suit. Oh wait. You really don't get it, do you? Have you read the article I linked on special pleading arguments? Can't you see you are simply making stuff up as you go? Everything is special now! Kaidan's armor? Special. Miranda's outfit, special; Liara's outfit, who knows how special it is; Ashley clothing, technologically superior (ie special). Just because! Dude, there is absolutely no reason why anyone would take any of your special excuses seriously. None of them are based on anything other than your imagination. Excuse me, but we're talking about Mass Effect here, not your unrecognizable, imaginary, special version of it.

Because her access to better resources allowed her to design custom armor that would give her all the advantages of a hardsuit without the weight? Because she's grown as a person in the two years you've seen her and learned how to fight differently?

I already addressed that.

Why the hostility?

[LPPrince]

I remember when this thread was mostly positive back on page 40 something and such.

[JayhartRIC]

Nyoka wrote...

Nohvarr wrote...

Bad example, Liara is an Asari information broker with who knows what gear hidden in her suit. Miranda is a perfectionist Cerberus operative with who knows what tech threaded through her suit.

Cool, Kaidan is a spectre, who knows what gear hidden in his light armor suit. Oh wait. You really don't get it, do you? Have you read the article I linked on special pleading arguments? Can't you see you are simply making stuff up as you go? Everything is special now! Kaidan's armor? Special. Miranda's outfit, special; Liara's outfit, who knows how special it is; Ashley clothing, technologically superior (ie special). Just because! Dude, there is absolutely no reason why anyone would take any of your special excuses seriously. None of them are based on anything other than your imagination. Excuse me, but we're talking about Mass Effect here, not your unrecognizable, imaginary, special version of it.

Because her access to better resources allowed her to design custom armor that would give her all the advantages of a hardsuit without the weight? Because she's grown as a person in the two years you've seen her and learned how to fight differently?

I already addressed that.

@LPPrince, I'm basing my judgment on what we have. If there are future tweets with new info, I'll be glad since as I have already said, I'd like to have coherent reasons for changes, and I have given Liara in ME2 as a good example. However, to this day I have no reason to think Christina Norman is wrong.

You've convinced me.  
Kaiden, light armor suit, now!

[Nohvarr]

Nyoka wrote...

Nohvarr wrote...

Bad example, Liara is an Asari information broker with who knows what gear hidden in her suit. Miranda is a perfectionist Cerberus operative with who knows what tech threaded through her suit.

Cool, Kaidan is a spectre, who knows what gear hidden in his light armor suit. Oh wait.

 
Problem, Ashley dosen't use biotics or tech based abilities. Kaiden does, thus her suit rquirments are not the same as Kaidens. Miranda is genetically engineered, and has lord knows what kind of Biotic system running through her body. Kaiden is known to be L2 which has been shown to be inferior to even what Shepard had in ME 1. So again, he has different needs than the other character.

Everything is special now! Kaidan's armor? Special. Miranda's outfit, special; Liara's outfit, who knows how special it is; Ashley clothing, technologically superior (ie special). Just because!

Not just because, each person mentioned is much different than rank and file soldiers, and some of them have access to gear and equipment hat most people don't have. Heck most star ships aren't running around with a cloaking engine, Asari armor, multi-phasic shield, and a Thanix cannon. So why should I discount the possibility that they've made use of their connections/access to gain gear most people could only dream of?

Modifié par Nohvarr, 12 juin 2011 - 12:39 .

[GodWood]

LPPrince wrote...
I remember when this thread was mostly positive back on page 40 something and such.

It really wasn't.
The thread has been consistently negative from the get go (as well as all the other threads discussing her outfit months ago)

[LPPrince]

GodWood wrote...

LPPrince wrote...
I remember when this thread was mostly positive back on page 40 something and such.

It really wasn't.
The thread has been consistently negative from the get go (as well as all the other threads discussing her outfit months ago)

Yeah I know. My attempts at being positive and keeping things positive in this thread tend to fail when I'm one of like a whole.....one who do it.

[Mr_Commander_Shepard]

Ashley !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[LPPrince]

Mr_Commander_Shepard wrote...

Ashley !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This.

[KateKane]

@Nohvarr
But you're pretty much making up these hypothetical systems that may or may not be justifying the questionable character designs.
That really does nothing for anybody's argument.

[LPPrince]

Ashley's awesome, that she is.

[-Skorpious-]

LPPrince wrote...

Nyoka wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

And again, you realize that Christina Norman is the Lead Gameplay Designer, right?

How about waiting for what Ashley's actual artist has to say about the matter? Or you know, someone more relevant to her aesthetic development?

That would make sense if she had said something like "sorry not really my department, y'all have to wait for the aesthetic development guy."

However, she has given a response on why this change has happened. Are you saying she just made something up while she was speaking? I don't buy that: I take Christina Norman seriously.

Any developer could comment on anything from any other department. Doesn't mean what they say is the law.

I wonder why the devs don't come in here and calm everyone down. Chris has to read threads such as these as part of his job, and I'm sure many other employees have noticied Christina's new tweets/issue regarding fans outrage regarding her choice of words. 

Modifié par -Skorpious-, 12 juin 2011 - 12:50 .

[LPPrince]

Ash wears eyeliner, am I right?

[tomorrowstation]

Ashley

'cause this thread need some love right about now...

[Not...Mordin]

Now all I need is a sexy skin tight outfit for my femshep!

[LPPrince]

So, Ash has sisters. They're all awesome, right?

[Nohvarr]

Because you have no basis whatsoever to believe it. Again, you are simply making stuff up.

KateKane wrote...

@Nohvarr
But you're pretty much making up these hypothetical systems that may or may not be justifying the questionable character designs.
That really does nothing for anybody's argument.

I'm taking the availble information and positing a possible scenario, just like you. Your claims are they've some how dressed Ashley in contradiction to her character. I've pointed out that her character could've changed. I've pointed out that the armor she is now wearing could be more effective then your thinking. You claim that none of it makes sense, when much of what I and others said does make sense. It's fully plausibe for Ashley to choose to wear lighter armor due to events that will be revealed in game. It's just as Plausible for Kaiden to choose the gear he did, again due to events that will be revealed in game.

I don't mind people voicing concerns, but this has gone beyond that, with people trying to justify lynching Biodevs because these fans are unable to grasp that the universe or a character may have more to them than what they first thought. The fact that they've pestered Mrs. Norman on twitter is disheartening to say the least.

Modifié par Nohvarr, 12 juin 2011 - 12:55 .

[LPPrince]

tomorrowstation wrote...

Ashley

'cause this thread need some love right about now...

THANK YOU! THANK YOU BABY JESUS!

[Iakus]

Me1mN0t wrote...

Holy Balls. RELAX CRAZY PEOPLE.

I don't get all this fuss about Ashley, she's dead in MY universes.

Exactly

[LPPrince]

Not...Mordin wrote...

Now all I need is a sexy skin tight outfit for my femshep!

I'm not complaining. I play a male Shepard, but I wouldn't mind seeing how that worked out.