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[SpecterShepard]

I personally like Ashley's new look but you guys certainty have a good point.

[CaptainZaysh]

Mr. MannlyMan wrote...
Holy mother of God.

Think about wear catsuits might and might not look reasonable. In a nightclub or gala? Okay. On the battlefield with tons of enemies bearing down on you? Not okay.

It's not supposed to be a realistic depiction of a battlefield.  We already have remote controlled drones that can shoot better than any human sniper.  If you wanted a realistic depiction of squad level combat in 2183 Shepard and crew would be sat in an air-conditioned bunker remote piloting mechs through each mission.

You accept that we're not doing that so the game can be fun and look good.  I don't think your issue with females wearing tight clothes is what you say it is.

Mr. MannlyMan wrote...
And musket range? You must be joking.

Why?  100 metres is a long range shot in ME.

Mr. MannlyMan wrote...
They're an elite squad. It's not like the U.S. sent in half their forces to storm Osama's complex.

Sheesh.

Here is a list of things infantry soldiers like to have during an assault.
- suppressing fire
- perimeter security
- a 3:1 numerical advantage
- enough guys to absorb casualties

Sheesh indeed if you think three guys carried out that raid.

[Mir5]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

Okay, now we're getting somewhere.  I think the series actually does have a sexy image - you always visit a strip club, you can sleep with pretty much any of the women in it (or if you're a femshep you can engage in really freaky xenophilia).  The first thing I heard about this game was that there was lesbian sex with a blue alien in it.

As for the image of the Alliance, I'd argue it hasn't really been fleshed out much in the game.  Uniforms are hardly consistent.  Also bear in mind the Alliance is developing in response to alien cultures.  Maybe the catsuits are a nod to the asari?

Finally, what is it about Ash that makes you think she wouldn't wear a catsuit?  She promised my Shepard she'd wear a tinfoil miniskirt and knee high boots if he bought her dinner first.

Oh yeah, there surely is sex in Mass Effect, no doubt about that. Just like there is sex in real life. But military in real life would try to suppress sexuality among its personel. Especially in the battlefield. Gets in front of practicality. And to me Ashley seemed like a woman who respects practiacality. You can let loose out of duty but when there's a job to do you do it well. The armor in mass effect 1 was kinda... funky, but everyone wore it! It made sense, of course you want to protect your fleshy bits in a gunfight. Later there have been characters that seem to think a bit too much how they will look like in battle.

But I am seriously predicting that BW's alternate appearances for squadies will have more armored variants for these characters. Would make sense to respect the boring old reasonable ones, and still have the option to please the ones who prefer sex over immersion.

Modifié par Mir5, 07 juin 2011 - 01:01 .

[DTKT]

Sheepie Crusher wrote...

 They previously showed a picture of her with a more practical hairstyle, so presumably you can choose her hairstyle

Here is the picture

Do you have a direct link to that picture? It's way too small. :/

[Beerfish]

So, go into your favourite photo albumn...yes I an looking at you! Then pick out a photo at one point in time...yes a still photo and make it one where your hair is slightly covering your eye and then go find a photo of you wearing you smexiest outfit.

Now, from this plethora of visual information we can assume that you...yes YOU! always have hair in your eyes and always wear a sexy outfit, even when you are working construction.

[Sheepie Crusher]

DTKT wrote...

Sheepie Crusher wrote...

 They previously showed a picture of her with a more practical hairstyle, so presumably you can choose her hairstyle

Here is the picture

Do you have a direct link to that picture? It's way too small. :/

The picture is from this thread: http://social.biowar...3/index/7551793
 so you will have to ask them

Modifié par Sheepie Crusher, 07 juin 2011 - 01:02 .

[Savber100]

Hmm.. I honestly don't mind.

You said it's sexualized but have you seen other games like Witcher 2? Almost every single women (besides Triss) show cleavage that you can bury your face in.

As long as Ashley's suit is made of steel etc and not leather... i'm happy.

Otherwise, give us a proper lore explanation of how this material stops bullets.

[Ziggy]

If she has a casual outfit/hairstyle and a combat one and this was the former then GREAT! In that case, I like her casual look. But if that's her combat one.... Its just... not like Ashley... caring more about looks than staying alive 

Modifié par Em23, 07 juin 2011 - 01:06 .

[Iakus]

Beerfish wrote...

So, go into your favourite photo albumn...yes I an looking at you! Then pick out a photo at one point in time...yes a still photo and make it one where your hair is slightly covering your eye and then go find a photo of you wearing you smexiest outfit.

Now, from this plethora of visual information we can assume that you...yes YOU! always have hair in your eyes and always wear a sexy outfit, even when you are working construction.

But...I don't have any pictures of me firing an assault rifle at technozombies from the cargo bay of a spaceship!

[Iakus]

Em23 wrote...

If she has a casual outfit/hairstyle and a combat one and this was the former then GREAT! In that case, I like her casual look.

Keeping my fingers crossed that this is the case, but I am not hopeful, ME2 and DA2 didn't do this. (though ME1 did, which is the thread I'm hanging onto)

[Paul Sedgmore]

DetailedSubset wrote...

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

DetailedSubset wrote...

Slidell505 wrote...

To be fair we haven't actually seen her in combat, that suit she's wearing could be her idle gear.

 right at the end. (may contain spoiliers)

Right at the start of the game when Earth is attacked and both Shepard and Anderson aren't exactly wearing 'combat gear' either so your attempt to claim she should've been in combat gear doesn't fit.

The way I see it, the scene we saw in that demo happens shortly after the trial is stopped due to Reaper invasion, Anderson sends Ashley/Kaidan off with joker to go get the Normandy prepped, whilst him and Shep do some stuff, Ashley probably still wearing her casual gear after attending Shepard's trial.

You could be right but I doubt it, most likley it'll be similar to ME2 and thats just how she looks at all times.

Ashley had long-ish hair in ME1 and ME2 it was just tied up in a bun. I do hope that squadies have an on-ship and a combat outfits, that was one of the things that annoyed me in ME2.

CaptainZaysh wrote...

Mr. MannlyMan wrote...
They're an elite squad. It's not like the U.S. sent in half their forces to storm Osama's complex.

Sheesh.

Here is a list of things infantry soldiers like to have during an assault.
- suppressing fire
- perimeter security
- a 3:1 numerical advantage
- enough guys to absorb casualties

Sheesh indeed if you think three guys carried out that raid.

I think that Shepards Squad are more like Commandos in WW2 or Black Ops teams who work alone or in small teams behind enemy lines without support rather than front line Special Ops

[Mr. MannlyMan]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

Mr. MannlyMan wrote...
Holy mother of God.

Think about wear catsuits might and might not look reasonable. In a nightclub or gala? Okay. On the battlefield with tons of enemies bearing down on you? Not okay.

It's not supposed to be a realistic depiction of a battlefield.  We already have remote controlled drones that can shoot better than any human sniper.  If you wanted a realistic depiction of squad level combat in 2183 Shepard and crew would be sat in an air-conditioned bunker remote piloting mechs through each mission.

You accept that we're not doing that so the game can be fun and look good.  I don't think your issue with females wearing tight clothes is what you say it is.

Okay, so Shepard and Garrus will plough on through in bulky, practical armor, and then in comes Ashley, catsuit, cleavage, high heels... Okey dokey.

I'm not saying the combat is (or should be) identical to what we see today; I'm saying that, in light of what we saw in ME1, in light of Ashley's practical, no-nonsense personality, and in light of all the male soldiers wearing practical-looking armor while the main female characters get sexified... it looks goofy and it looks out-of-character.

What you're saying basically amounts to "Well, it's unreality, so anything goes here." Why not just throw in a black cape for Shepard and a whiplash for Ashley, and call it "passable"? Why not? If I applied your argument to that, practically anything would be acceptable. Hell, according to your logic, Shepard's armor gives him no advantage whatsoever. Let's give him a hoodie and a fedora and laugh at how stupid we were for wanting some degree of "plausibility". <_<

[Manic Sheep]

ah you know what NVM.  I can't be bothered.

Modifié par Manic Sheep, 07 juin 2011 - 01:18 .

[Bluefuse]

Mir5 wrote...

I guess is that it puts sex where it is not needed. Doesn't fit the image of the series (what the hell ever that is anymore), alliance, or the character.

I don't see why the hell BioWare is marketing this game as it is. C'mon, the Fall of Earth? BioWare sounds like they are desperate to get more attention from people who don't play their games. "Choose how the Earth will be reclaimed!... oh, and the galaxy too... BUT EARTH!!!" They sneak in a slight mention of the rest of the galaxy in the trailer, but focus around Earth just to get everyone's attention. I hope this is just for marketing and is not what this game truly reveals itself to be.

[LogosDiablo]

atum wrote...

Conrad Verner will save the Galaxy

Weren't you paying attention in ME2. Dude fell to his death from the roof of a moving train on Ilium. I lol'd so hard when that happened...

[Hathur]

LogosDiablo wrote...

atum wrote...

Conrad Verner will save the Galaxy

Weren't you paying attention in ME2. Dude fell to his death from the roof of a moving train on Ilium. I lol'd so hard when that happened...

Not if you took the paragon path, he goes home.

[sheppard7]

LogosDiablo wrote...

atum wrote...

Conrad Verner will save the Galaxy

Weren't you paying attention in ME2. Dude fell to his death from the roof of a moving train on Ilium. I lol'd so hard when that happened...

Oh my god! You killed Conrad!



I sent him home like I did in ME1 even though the import bug had the fool accusing my Shep of pulling a gun in his face. So I sent him home again. I wish the dialog said, "Didn't I send you home to your wife before? Now go and if you come back I will put my gun in your face and pull the trigger. Then stand you back up and claim I tried to save you a second time."

[sheppard7]

Manic Sheep wrote...

ah you know what NVM.  I can't be bothered.

Your avatar makes me wonder "WHERE IS JACK?"

[Nohvarr]

[quote]Mr. 
and then in comes Ashley, catsuit,[/quote] Catsuits don't have armor on the hips, legs and chest.
 

[quote]cleavage, [/quote]It conforms to her curves, but if she puts an undershirt on, like the pink thing in her ME 1 armor it's fine.


[quote]high heels...[/quote]Those aren't high heels, look again, they're more like spring or padded heels on some running shoes

[/quote]

Modifié par Nohvarr, 07 juin 2011 - 01:54 .

[Ghost Warrior]

I don't like what they did to Ashley,feels out of her character. And Anderson looks a lot different. Shepard's face is awesome though,I really like it.

[Cutlass Jack]

Well my personal feeling was that after Horizon, Ash decided she finally had to move on with her life and adopted a new look. And to rub Shep's nose in what he was missing out on.

[Kreid]

I don't know why people insist on the catsuit thing, I just saw the trailer again and that's definitely light armor with some cleavage on it but it's not nearly as over-sexualized as for example, Samara's suit.
I understand where people are coming from being Ashley and all but it's not as bad as some or you are making.

[Beerfish]

iakus wrote...

Beerfish wrote...

So, go into your favourite photo albumn...yes I an looking at you! Then pick out a photo at one point in time...yes a still photo and make it one where your hair is slightly covering your eye and then go find a photo of you wearing you smexiest outfit.

Now, from this plethora of visual information we can assume that you...yes YOU! always have hair in your eyes and always wear a sexy outfit, even when you are working construction.

But...I don't have any pictures of me firing an assault rifle at technozombies from the cargo bay of a spaceship!

What?  You haven't lived until...

[VolusNamedBob]

I'm not a fan of this Miranda edition of Ashley, I suppose it's a good thing I nuked her!

[Siven80]

Personally i like what i see.

Now i may be wrong but isnt the footage with Ashley in from the earth part where they arent fully equipped so not being in full armor would make sense.