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[Cerbrus operative]

Aside from not having enough friendship or rivalry, are there any other conditions to make Aveline side against me in the end when I decide to side with the mages?, because she decided to stay with me when I sided with the mages despite the fact that her friendship with me was only 20%.

Modifié par Cerbrus operative, 07 juin 2011 - 12:31 .

[Teddie Sage]

It's impossible. I think... Someone will have to confirm.

[RangerSG]

Teddie Sage wrote...

It's impossible. I think... Someone will have to confirm.

No it's not. But she's the secondary opposition, like Merrill on the mage side. So it's much harder. You have to 1) Have fully rivaled/friended Fenris. 2) Left her in the "apathy" range (in the middle of the relationship bar). 3) Side with the mages.

If you do that, and Fenris stays with you, Aveline will turn. But since, like Merrill, it's easy to fully rival/friend her, it's a pretty rare occurrence. The Wiki makes it seem easier than it actually is.

[Teddie Sage]

Thanks for answering.

[Cerbrus operative]

I have tried that but it didn't work, I have fully rivaled Fenris and Aveline's relationship bar was exactly in the middle, but she keeps staying with me everytime when I side with the mages!, does anyone else knows exacly how I get Aveline to side against me in the end or could tthis be a bug in the XBOX 360 version?

[IanPolaris]

I think Aveline may be bugged. She is supposed to abandon you if Fenris doesn't, she doesn't have particular Friendship or Rivalry, and you side with the mages. If I had to guess, the "Fenris stays" flag isn't working correctly.

-Polaris

[Pugzley]

Why would you try to get rid one of your tanks?

[Sajuro]

Pugzley wrote...

Why would you try to get rid one of your tanks?

the same reason people ask "how do I kill X on the suicide mission?" in the mass effect forums.

[lobi]

kill everyone thats the way.
Take Avaline into the fade and on a few break the law mission. assasination and poison is good. louseup her relationship or refuse to help. then not use her for rest of game. that should do it.

Modifié par lobi, 23 juin 2011 - 02:50 .

[Ryzaki]

Cerbrus operative wrote...

I have tried that but it didn't work, I have fully rivaled Fenris and Aveline's relationship bar was exactly in the middle, but she keeps staying with me everytime when I side with the mages!, does anyone else knows exacly how I get Aveline to side against me in the end or could tthis be a bug in the XBOX 360 version?

 

This. 

She will not betray me. At all. It's depressing at this point. 

[FJVP]

AFAIK you need to leave at least one of her personal quests unfinished, though I don't know if having her locked in rivalry/friendship will still stop her from siding against you.

PS. If your intent was to kill her then you're in for a dissappointment: click. Warning, might .
contain spoilers.

[Sajuro]

Ryzaki wrote...

Cerbrus operative wrote...

I have tried that but it didn't work, I have fully rivaled Fenris and Aveline's relationship bar was exactly in the middle, but she keeps staying with me everytime when I side with the mages!, does anyone else knows exacly how I get Aveline to side against me in the end or could tthis be a bug in the XBOX 360 version?

 

This. 

She will not betray me. At all. It's depressing at this point. 

Yes, someone who has been with you throughout the whole time at kirkwall for better or worse and is the closest thing Hawke has to family besides their LI and Gamlen won't leave you during the final battle even though it could very well cost her everything, I feel for you, I really do.

[maxernst]

RangerSG wrote...

Teddie Sage wrote...

It's impossible. I think... Someone will have to confirm.

No it's not. But she's the secondary opposition, like Merrill on the mage side. So it's much harder. You have to 1) Have fully rivaled/friended Fenris. 2) Left her in the "apathy" range (in the middle of the relationship bar). 3) Side with the mages.

If you do that, and Fenris stays with you, Aveline will turn. But since, like Merrill, it's easy to fully rival/friend her, it's a pretty rare occurrence. The Wiki makes it seem easier than it actually is.

Ha!  I've had Merrill with me on virtually every quest in the 2nd and I'm part way through the 3rd act and she's still almost dead in the middle--very slightly on the friendly side.  I'm glad to hear that Aveline probably won't turn against me if I side with the mages (she's about 75% friendly).  I don't know why Fenris is such an issue.  I wouldn't be surprised if he turns against me--he's on the friendly side but not dramatically so--but don't care so much, because I don't normally use him.

[DreamerM]

My party has:

100% Friendship - Anders (Romanced)
100% Friendship - Fenris
100% Friendship - Verric
100% Friendship - Aveline
100% Rivalry - Merril

Isabella left town and never came back.

Whichever side I pick will put a good friend on the wrong side of the issue. I don't want to abandon the mages to die for the crimes of someone else, but fighting the Templars could bring Anarchy to Kirkwall. I'm just this side of flipping a coin for it.

[nightscrawl]

FJVP wrote...

AFAIK you need to leave at least one of her personal quests unfinished, though I don't know if having her locked in rivalry/friendship will still stop her from siding against you.

PS. If your intent was to kill her then you're in for a dissappointment: click. Warning, might .
contain spoilers.

"So you'll obey the orders of that crazy b---h, no matter what?"

AAHAHAHAHA!

Man... you really miss out on a lot of fun things when you play the game in basically the same way every time. My problem is that when it comes time to make the different type choices that determie these fun options, I can't bear to do them xD. That was a great clip, the entire way through, thanks for linking.

Modifié par nightscrawl, 23 juin 2011 - 11:22 .

[Ryzaki]

Sajuro wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Cerbrus operative wrote...

I have tried that but it didn't work, I have fully rivaled Fenris and Aveline's relationship bar was exactly in the middle, but she keeps staying with me everytime when I side with the mages!, does anyone else knows exacly how I get Aveline to side against me in the end or could tthis be a bug in the XBOX 360 version?

 

This. 

She will not betray me. At all. It's depressing at this point. 

Yes, someone who has been with you throughout the whole time at kirkwall for better or worse and is the closest thing Hawke has to family besides their LI and Gamlen won't leave you during the final battle even though it could very well cost her everything, I feel for you, I really do.

 

Siding withe mages will cost her everythin. Her home, her job. All of that is lost because she helped the mages. 

All lost for someone she might not stand? It boggles my mind. 

[LobselVith8]

Ryzaki wrote...

Siding withe mages will cost her everythin. Her home, her job. All of that is lost because she helped the mages. 

All lost for someone she might not stand? It boggles my mind. 

It's no different than Fenris working with the Hawke who spares slavers and endorses slavery.

However, I wonder what happens with Aveline. Varric seems to be back in Kirkwall in Year Ten. The entire City Guard supports Guard-Captain Aveline, as well as her husband. It's difficult to say how the people will react, given that the Champion's status was apparently important enough to keep Cullen from killing an apostate Hawke who killed a plethora of templars in his path. The unpopular Knight-Commander turned into a lyrium statute because she was possessed, and Knight-Captain Cullen decided to let Hawke and his moiety crew leave instead of arresting them all. I also recall that she brings up that she could be reinstated in Ferelden's army.

Modifié par LobselVith8, 24 juin 2011 - 12:01 .

[whykikyouwhy]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Siding withe mages will cost her everythin. Her home, her job. All of that is lost because she helped the mages. 

All lost for someone she might not stand? It boggles my mind. 

It's no different than Fenris working with the Hawke who spares slavers and endorses slavery.

However, I wonder what happens with Aveline. Varric seems to be back in Kirkwall in Year Ten. The entire City Guard supports Guard-Captain Aveline, as well as her husband. It's difficult to say how the people will react, given that the Champion's status was apparently important enough to keep Cullen from killing an apostate Hawke who killed a plethora of templars in his path. The unpopular Knight-Commander turned into a lyrium statute because she was possessed, and Knight-Captain Cullen decided to let Hawke and his moiety crew leave instead of arresting them all. I also recall that she brings up that she could be reinstated in Ferelden's army.

Aveline's Questioning Beliefs quest in Act 3 is where the reinstatement is mentioned (this link has the chat, but shows a rivalry path).

As for her losing everything should she stick with Hawke (who is siding with the mages) - I think honor and loyalty are far more important to her than her career and her new home. Hawke saved her from the darkspawn, Hawke helped her get into Kirkwall, and Hawke helped her through her awkward romance with Donnic - all reasons to inspire some loyalty. But idealogical differences aside, Aveline is the stalwart and steady constant in Hawke's life. It is tragic that the cost will be great at the end of Act 3, but I think the sacrifice exists for all of the companions to some degree. I just don't know that she would return to Kirkwall. She would be too much of a target for anyone seeking retribution (from Hawke) for the mage/templar divide.

Modifié par whykikyouwhy, 24 juin 2011 - 12:27 .

[maxernst]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Siding withe mages will cost her everythin. Her home, her job. All of that is lost because she helped the mages. 

All lost for someone she might not stand? It boggles my mind. 

It's no different than Fenris working with the Hawke who spares slavers and endorses slavery.

Actually, it's quite different.  Fenris loses nothing by helping Hawke in that case, except his self-respect.  Aveline may very well see the rite of annulment as unjust, and she's not always faithful to the letter of the law.  At least at high friend, I think Hawke is pushing Aveline to obey her principles at the expense of her self-interest.

[Ryzaki]

LobselVith8 wrote...
It's no different than Fenris working with the Hawke who spares slavers and endorses slavery.

However, I wonder what happens with Aveline. Varric seems to be back in Kirkwall in Year Ten. The entire City Guard supports Guard-Captain Aveline, as well as her husband. It's difficult to say how the people will react, given that the Champion's status was apparently important enough to keep Cullen from killing an apostate Hawke who killed a plethora of templars in his path. The unpopular Knight-Commander turned into a lyrium statute because she was possessed, and Knight-Captain Cullen decided to let Hawke and his moiety crew leave instead of arresting them all. I also recall that she brings up that she could be reinstated in Ferelden's army.

 

It is actually. Fenris doesn't lose anything by working with Hawke (he actually gains quite a bit). 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 24 juin 2011 - 01:28 .

[Sajuro]

Ryzaki wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Cerbrus operative wrote...

I have tried that but it didn't work, I have fully rivaled Fenris and Aveline's relationship bar was exactly in the middle, but she keeps staying with me everytime when I side with the mages!, does anyone else knows exacly how I get Aveline to side against me in the end or could tthis be a bug in the XBOX 360 version?

 

This. 

She will not betray me. At all. It's depressing at this point. 

Yes, someone who has been with you throughout the whole time at kirkwall for better or worse and is the closest thing Hawke has to family besides their LI and Gamlen won't leave you during the final battle even though it could very well cost her everything, I feel for you, I really do.

 

Siding withe mages will cost her everythin. Her home, her job. All of that is lost because she helped the mages. 

All lost for someone she might not stand? It boggles my mind. 

Given the aftermath of that battle, I do not see how siding with the mages 'will cost her everything' when it is the guard who protected the citizens when the mages and templars decided to go to war in the streets of Kirkwall. She helped the Champion of Kirkwall end all that craziness before Harvester!Orsino and CrazyEvil!Meredith destroyed everything. I was mostly talking about it would drastically increase her chance of dieing then if she stayed behind and helped the guard keep the peace. If anything, no matter what side Hawke is on, Aveline would probably be one of the most respected people in Kirkwall and probably the most powerful official.

[DarkInvaders]

I tried to Ignore her completely and refuse to help all quest she propose have her at middle bar and maxed fenris total rival and aveline still side with hawke *mage side* ughh painfull. why did the darkspawn didnt got aveline instead of wesley? once aveline tranform into a ghoul kill the templar and be done with those 2 annoying ppl! XD !!!

I also try to do all her quest not finish the 1 in the act 3 let her at 50% riv or friend no good .

Let hope bio make a patch or anything to fix that ! i cant wait to be rid of aveline and yes ur gonna tell me that its a tank why do i want to be rid of her ?
its simple im a MAGE and i dont respect the laws and i kill templar when ever i see one close range.

Modifié par DarkInvaders, 24 janvier 2012 - 04:25 .

[Malanu]

DreamerM wrote...

My party has:

100% Friendship - Anders (Romanced)
100% Friendship - Fenris
100% Friendship - Verric
100% Friendship - Aveline
100% Rivalry - Merril

Isabella left town and never came back.

Whichever side I pick will put a good friend on the wrong side of the issue. I don't want to abandon the mages to die for the crimes of someone else, but fighting the Templars could bring Anarchy to Kirkwall. I'm just this side of flipping a coin for it.

SO in this scenario kill anders and side with the Templars! When I did that as an Apostate I had all my friends on my side. I have not been able to get the whole party to side with me when supporting the mages in 3 tries.

[Huntress]

Aveline is not a templar Dark.. she is a guard, and Aveline do not care if Hawke is evil and a demon-lover, she, if rival will leave for good and as friend she will die protecting hawke, why? because hawke saved her life, yes thats what some people call loyal, it has a limit but is rare to see someone who love you as a brother or sister to just kill you because you are a bobo*.

bobo
adjective:

off-brand. Typically implies lower cost and lower quality than a mainstream brand.

That bobo toilet paper just doesn't feel as nice as the good stuff.

See more words with the same meaning: bad, poor, sucks, common, generally displeasing.
false; untrue.

Man, that's bobo.

See more words with the same meaning: nonsense, lies
crazy, stupid, silly, or weird.

From the Spanish word "bobo," meaning "foolish" or "fool."

She really did that? She's so bobo.

[DarkInvaders]

just point me right direction to get aveline side againts hawke when i side with the mages and i'm on my way! " been like 3 month since i wanna know how

Modifié par DarkInvaders, 24 janvier 2012 - 05:03 .