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[Nohvarr]

Mr.House wrote...

Cerberus and the Blue Suns would never work together after the events in ME2. Shall I remind? The Blue Suns tried to screw over Cerberus and tried to imprison Shepard, that failed and Cerberus let Shepard destroy alot of there operations, including an attack at there HQ.

And now here comes Cerberus with guns and toys in exchange for killing Shepard....you're saying the Blue Suns would ignore this offer?

Then there's Eclipse, plus any other merc or ex-soldier Cerberus can find and employ.

[adneate]

Cerberus has access to all advance Alliance and non-Alliance equipment and they are evidently allied with The Reapers and Cerberus shock troops in the demo were described as "Indoctrinated". So It's obviously Reaper "magic" at work, seeing as mass produced equipment and cloning are something they proved pretty capable of doing with The Collectors.

So you flash clone an army of indoctrinated grunts and get your techno-robot Gods to make guns and armor for them to use. Simple.

[Clonedzero]

Mr.House wrote...

Cerberus and the Blue Suns would never work together after the events in ME2. Shall I remind? The Blue Suns tried to screw over Cerberus and tried to imprison Shepard, that failed and Cerberus let Shepard destroy alot of there operations, including an attack at there HQ.

if cerberus is erally working for the reapers all they have to do is pay dudes to stand near reapers for awhile till they get indoctrinated. boom loyal army. probably wouldnt even have to pay them.

[Ragnarok521]

On the note of the Blue Suns, anybody else think that the Alliance soldiers evacuating people were Blue Suns at first? The design and color scheme are almost identical at a glance.

As to where Cerberus got so much manpower, that's a good question. They had been dealt blow after blow to not only manpower but resources. Cloning is a possibility but that's a bit of a cop-out in my opinion. Could be that Cerberus is larger than we have been led to believe. Miranda did say that there are Research cells and Military cells. In the past we've primarily dealt with Research, but now we're seeing the Military cells.

Modifié par Ragnarok521, 07 juin 2011 - 02:25 .

[KiraTsukasa]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Cerberus, as told by EDI, is composed of around 150 people spread out into three different cells. One of these cells is the Lazarus cell, which was mostly destroyed after Wilson's betrayal and the rest joined the Cerberus project to assist Shepard in stopping the Collectors.

Assuming twenty to thirty individuals died during the revival, this would leave around 120-130 individuals in Cerberus. Though it's entirely possible EDI was listing the live operatives at the time, which could possibly keep the number still at 150 individuals.

Though Miranda alluded that the entire crew of the Normandy SR-2 was considered part of the Lazarus Project cell, so it is safe to assume that everyone involved in Sheppard's mission is also part of the cell. Also, as told by EDI, the different cells don't know how many cells there are, what they are working on, or who is part of another cell, and given her restricted access to Cerberus files, I doubt that even EDI knows how many cells there are in operation. With a group like Cerberus, I doubt that they don't have sleeper cells waiting to be activated when they are needed for their given task. Also, there is a video in the Shadow Broker's base of Captain Anderson speaking with a Cerberus agent. Given Anderson's belief in Sheppard's findings, it is possible that he is more open minded toward "taking all the help he can get" even if it does come from Cerberus.

[Gibb_Shepard]

Either they have some kind of deal with the Alliance who supply their troops, or TIM cloned them using some kind of Reaper tech.

[Gravbh]

Hired what's left of the human blue suns/eclipse members. There had to be a lot looking for work after Shepard mopped the floor with them.

[Benu5]

Shepard and the Normandy SR-2 were investments that they insured against theft, therefore when Shepard stole the Normandy and Him/Herself they received a payout of 100% of the investment, which they used to build an army.

[ramnozack]

Like Shep said in the beginning "you could have built a whole army with what u used to bring me back". He paid 4 bil to get shepard alive again whats to say he doesn't have another 4 bil lying around somewhere =/

On how he got the manpower......cloning maybe? If any1 has played F.E.A.R think of the replica soliders.
Maybe he took a lil bit of sheps dna and made clones. Who knows? cant be sure until game releases.
 

PS: cloning isn't really a cop-out Okeer did it with krogans. Why cant Cerberus with humans?

Modifié par ramnozack, 07 juin 2011 - 03:05 .

[TheCrakFox]

Minuteman station looks pretty huge to me, and that's just one of Cerberus' bases. I find it pretty hard to believe they only have 150 employees.

Besides, TIM still has money. He could buy out a mercenary group.

[marshalleck]

Racist militant wingnuts with guns aren't hard to find. In fact, one often begets the other. There are plenty of meatshields around for TIM to recruit whenever he needs muscle for his more militant schemes. I mean we know of two Alliance operatives he was able to flip; Jacob and Kai Leng. Common grunts would be a dime a dozen.

Modifié par marshalleck, 07 juin 2011 - 03:08 .

[Seboist]

marshalleck wrote...

Racist militant wingnuts with guns aren't hard to find. In fact, one often begets the other. There are plenty of meatshields around for TIM to recruit whenever he needs muscle for his more militant schemes. I mean we know of two Alliance operatives he was able to flip; Jacob and Kai Leng. Common grunts would be a dime a dozen.

That doesn't explain how Cerberus is getting all this funding and armament despite their losses in Retribution and the Earth getting raped in ME3.

[marshalleck]

I thought he had managed to scrape together some holdings and recover a bit by the end of Retribution? It has been a while since I read it, and I read the whole thing in like four hours, so the details are a bit hazy. I am aware he took quite a bad hit during the events.

[Schneidend]

No matter how badly Cerberus was hit, it still has its investors blindly throwing TIM money every year.

[Volus Warlord]

Take some of those assets and buy some mercs.

[Eshaye]

It's in the Evolution comic by Dark Horse. It's not a plot hole and it's not the investors because most of these guys are being held by the Alliance. TIM apparently is already rich and has his own funds which he was going to use to get Cerberus back on it's feet, however to get his army he's going to need something with a little more 'oomph' which he already knows how and where to get. 

That's my bet.

Modifié par Eshaye, 07 juin 2011 - 03:21 .

[GnusmasTHX]

Simple: Credits.

That or the armed force portion of Cerberus are not counted among EDI's original statements.

[sterling_archer]

I figured the 150 figure only includes high-ranking members of Cerberus (Jacob, Miranda, Wilson).

They had to have had more than 150 people all together. Look at how many people they lose over the course of ME2. Miranda and Jacob were the only survivors of Lazarus station, everyone working in the derelict reaper was killed or huskified and plenty of Cerberus people got killed during the events of Overlord. If Cerberus was only composed of 150 how are they even still around? Who was TIM planning on sending to the Collector Base if/when Shepard spared it?

[Mr.House]

sterling_archer wrote...

I figured the 150 figure only includes high-ranking members of Cerberus (Jacob, Miranda, Wilson).

They had to have had more than 150 people all together. Look at how many people they lose over the course of ME2. Miranda and Jacob were the only survivors of Lazarus station, everyone working in the derelict reaper was killed or huskified and plenty of Cerberus people got killed during the events of Overlord. If Cerberus was only composed of 150 how are they even still around? Who was TIM planning on sending to the Collector Base if/when Shepard spared it?

Also don't forget the Ascension project and the events of Retribution.

[Splinter Cell 108]

Didn't Miranda say that Cerberus had a military branch or something. I doubt EDI knows absolutely everything there is to know about Cerberus. The Illusive Man probably did this behind everyone's back. It would make sense after all, he isn't exactly trustworthy. The real question is why is he working for the Reapers, I doubt it would be because of indoctrination.

[dm3565]

Why is this dead equine is still being tenderized when the dead simple solution to this problem has been repeated multiple times already? Cerberus is larger than Shepard was lead to believe, which is no surprise. Cerberus is a network of self-contained, independent cells, preserving operational security. Who's to say TIM didn't just employ the same strategy on a larger scale and mirror the organization a dozen times over, with separate sources of funding? Such a tactic would explain the the attrition rate for Cerberus cells and the obvious gamble TIM took with bringing Shepard back. If he had multiple networks operating in parallel, it would grant him more flexibility, where he could afford to take more chances and commit valuable assets to high risk operations, even going so far as to allow an entire network to collapse, if it furthers his goals. It also allows him to hide the full strength of Cerberus. Such a thing may very well play into his dealings with the Reapers, hoping to avoid Saren's mistakes while keeping an ace up his sleeve.

Modifié par dm3565, 07 juin 2011 - 04:38 .

[lackofoxygen]

Based of off what Casey said during the Spike TV spot about Cerberus's role, I venture to guess that Cerberus just hired some guns and gave them armor.