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[Lazarus-Cell]

Come on people. If my memory didnt fail right now i could name two PMCs and one arms manufacterer amongst Cerberus frontcorporations. That we have had named. They probably have more.
They probably outfitted their PMCs and tot tyem to hunt down sheperd.
Also, i wouldnt really consider Gabby, ken, chakwas etc to be counted as operatives.
Their more like... i dont know, hired help?
Also, to the thread starter, three or fore agents were killed and several captured in a research cell on Trident, during ME2.

Even their alliance with Aria may have gotten manpower.
But im betting on the PMCs.

[wr3xl3ss]

^ ^ ^ ^

The above post is full of win. Dear Sir, I salute you. May you be congratulated with a million credits and infinite love interests, in the coming ME.

[HipH0pop0tomus]

well during the demo there was mention of Cerberus being indoctrinated so that lead me to believe that there are several others who are similarly affected by the arrival of the reapers therefore supplying TIM with the resources/manpower he needs

[FlyingWalrus]

I dunno, where did Cerberus get its army of mercenary goons in ME1?

Oh wait.

[Seboist]

FlyingWalrus wrote...

I dunno, where did Cerberus get its army of mercenary goons in ME1?

Oh wait.

There was hardly any Cerberus troops in ME1.

[SpectreSeven]

Dave of Canada wrote...

 Metagame discussion ahead.

This will be ignoring any decision done by Shepard (assuming the crew / squad all survives), though it includes DLC and the novels. I'll be ignoring the rogue cells in ME1 and Jack's loyalty mission as they've been wiped out years prior and most likely have been replaced.

Cerberus, as told by EDI, is composed of around 150 people spread out into three different cells. One of these cells is the Lazarus cell, which was mostly destroyed after Wilson's betrayal and the rest joined the Cerberus project to assist Shepard in stopping the Collectors.

*snip*

150 ACTIVE personnel she says. The ones that aren't active are never mentioned.

/thread

[MrGone]

Where does any supervillain get their henchmen?

The Guild of Calamitous Intent of course!

[mcneil_1]

I have to agree with Arcian's diagram
The 150 mentioned by EDI would have to be the upper echelons of Cerberus.

[Ianamus]

I imagine that when Cerberus began working for the reapers the repears supplied them with all of the equipment they salvaged, and sent all of the humans they indoctrinated to join them. Considering the alliance fleet is destroyed when Earth is attacked, but Shepard escapes, the reapers are sending everything they can get their tentacles on to Cerberus.

[Sylvianus]

Dave of Canada wrote...

 Metagame discussion ahead.

This will be ignoring any decision done by Shepard (assuming the crew / squad all survives), though it includes DLC and the novels. I'll be ignoring the rogue cells in ME1 and Jack's loyalty mission as they've been wiped out years prior and most likely have been replaced.

Cerberus, as told by EDI, is composed of around 150 people spread out into three different cells. One of these cells is the Lazarus cell, which was mostly destroyed after Wilson's betrayal and the rest joined the Cerberus project to assist Shepard in stopping the Collectors.

Assuming twenty to thirty individuals died during the revival, this would leave around 120-130 individuals in Cerberus. Though it's entirely possible EDI was listing the live operatives at the time, which could possibly keep the number still at 150 individuals.

[150 individuals if Lazarus deaths aren't counted]
[120-130 individuals if Lazarus deaths are counted]

Now throughout the story of Mass Effect 2, we see more of Cerberus operatives recieving untimely ends. Including Overlord DLC and the deaths of those on the Derelict Reaper (assuming not every husk was a scientist), one could conclude that another 30-40 individuals were lost during these experiments.

[110-120 individuals if Lazarus deaths aren't counted]
[80-100 individuals if Lazarus deaths are counted]

After the ending of Mass Effect 2, the crew following Shepard (which are part of the Lazarus cell) abandon Cerberus for Shepard. Out of the named crew, we know there's 15 individuals (that's including Miranda / Jacob / Chakwas / Joker / Kelly) and there's a few more unnamed individuals. Let's round it out to approximately twenty (though I think there's a lot more).

[90-100 individuals if Lazarus deaths aren't counted]
[60-80 individuals if Lazarus deaths are counted]

After all of this, Cerberus got hit again in the novel. Anderson, with the assistance of the Turians, managed to kill off another group of Cerberus and assaulted several Cerberus facilities. Cerberus resources and people were strained enough that TIM had to recieve help from Aria, leaving them in a very vulnerable position.

Assuming around fifteen individuals per facility, this would mean that the remaining people from Cerberus cells were most likely arrested or killed (though they likely recruited more since the end of ME2). Assuming around five Cerberus operatives escaped per facility, that'd still leave a very short numbered group of Cerberus personnel.

Now tell me: How does this group, who can barely sustain itself after having lost almost all of it's personnel, have an army to assist in trying to stop Shepard? They can't possibly have recruited the numbers of soldiers we've seen between the novel and ME3.

TIM's operatives are mostly scientists, not soldiers. Yet we've seen a great number of Cerberus soldiers using advanced tech (ATLAS mech) and weaponry / equipment in great supply.

Kuddos and well said.

I'm asked the same question.

When I saw the number of enemies with Cerberus, I thought there was something wrong. Cerberus has never been an army, it just a small entity, with a small elite military branch.

There are mostly supporters, scientists, operatives involved in projects concerning spying or information gathering. But, looks like they are everywhere, they follow Shepard everywhere.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 09 juin 2011 - 11:21 .

[Sylvianus]

Arcian wrote...

Oo

How do you know ?

[CroGamer002]

Are you sure those are real numbers?


I mean how does organization that earn 7 billion credits per year can have only 150 employees?
And that organization is also terrorists one.


Also they work in space too.

Modifié par Mesina2, 09 juin 2011 - 11:58 .

[Nimander]

There is no plot hole.

You're just interpreting 'Agent' differently, I think. As the person with the nifty pyramid shows, really. Agents are the top folks. The ones who lead cells and/or are majorly important in cells.

Basically 'Cerberus Agent' is like a CO. Not the rank and file. I mean, heck. I doubt there were tons of humans just waiting on the Derelict Reaper, so all those husks? Were the Cerberus team.

You killed /tons/ of them.

[Vengeful Nature]

Arcian wrote...

Where are you getting those numbers?

As for hiring mercs, no. "Welcome aboard, here's your gear. By the way, those giant AI dreadnoughts that are rampaging across the galaxy killing millions in their wake back home? They're your bosses now! M'kay? Good luck!" *gets pushed out of dropship*

Shepard specifically says in one of the E3 demos that they are Cerberus personnel who are indoctrinated. So Cerberus managed to magic up this army of mooks out of nowhere. So here's the thing you really want:

Modifié par Vengeful Nature, 09 juin 2011 - 12:04 .

[CroGamer002]

Also science team on Derelict Reaper had almost 100 people there.

So why would there be 75 random people?

[CroGamer002]

Vengeful Nature wrote...

Shepard specifically says in one of the E3 demos that they are Cerberus personnel who are indoctrinated. So Cerberus managed to magic up this army of mooks out of nowhere. So here's the thing you really want:

You mean the same person that though First Contact War and Krogan Rebellions were same thing?

[Vengeful Nature]

Mesina2 wrote...

Vengeful Nature wrote...

Shepard specifically says in one of the E3 demos that they are Cerberus personnel who are indoctrinated. So Cerberus managed to magic up this army of mooks out of nowhere. So here's the thing you really want:

You mean the same person that though First Contact War and Krogan Rebellions were same thing?

I'll let you have that one, but it doesn't really compare.

[Massadonious1]

Some of those lower tier numbers seem out of left field, but I have no reason to doubt the overall structure.

[LGTX]

Also, Gillian is out for revenge on the Illusive Man in Deception, which takes place prior to ME3, so we can expect additional damage atop to what's listed done to Cerberus there. The question is interesting indeed. Some say that they now have batarians in their ranks, but the argument is weak (four optics on visors - what, a human can't sport custom helmet cosmetics? Look at the Death Mask, or the Collector armor, or something). However, the Illusive Man often used aliens as intermediaries in his plans, but only as much. He never employed them directly, as far as I know.

And I also don't buy the "hiring" thing, since Timmy had very high standards in hiring any type of personnel, starting from Kai Leng and ending with Ken and Gabby.

Modifié par LGTX, 09 juin 2011 - 12:21 .

[CroGamer002]

Vengeful Nature wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Vengeful Nature wrote...

Shepard specifically says in one of the E3 demos that they are Cerberus personnel who are indoctrinated. So Cerberus managed to magic up this army of mooks out of nowhere. So here's the thing you really want:

You mean the same person that though First Contact War and Krogan Rebellions were same thing?

I'll let you have that one, but it doesn't really compare.

Well that line is as credible as squadmates saying Collectors have more then enough pods not just to abduct every colonists in Terminus System's and also to target Earth. EARTH!!!

[Vengeful Nature]

Mesina2 wrote...

Well that line is as credible as
squadmates saying Collectors have more then enough pods not just to
abduct every colonists in Terminus System's and also to target Earth.
EARTH!!!

OK, so we've established that whoever writes those snippets of dialogue has trouble with continuity and/or sense. This doesn't particularly reflect well on Bioware, does it?

Arcian wrote...
You'd have to be retarded to think something has actually been retconned. With all the Cerberus personnel from the books, ME1, ME2 and ME3, they clearly exceed 150. Operatives in this context are high-ranking agents like Miranda, who answer directly to TIM. All operatives/agents have sub-personnel answering to them (seen in ME1 and ME2 with the Lazarus Cell), which comprises the Cerberus cells, and all cells of course have security staff and/or soldiers (seen in ME2 and retribution), pilots and the sorts depending on whether the cell is suited for R&D or combat.

So every Cerberus cell is emptied of its security staff? Or did the research guys get given weapons as well? That doesn't make sense.

Open armed conflict is not Cerberus' style. This has been established by the previous two games.

I'm getting incredibly irate with fools like you who take simple statements at utter face value and then cry retcon for no good reason.

Whoah there, fella. There's room for disagreement without insulting each other. It seems to me that you took my statement at face value, rather than have a little faith that I have reasons for saying the things I do.

Modifié par Vengeful Nature, 09 juin 2011 - 12:44 .

[CroGamer002]

Vengeful Nature wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Well that line is as credible as squadmates saying Collectors have more then enough pods not just to abduct every colonists in Terminus System's and also to target Earth. EARTH!!!

OK, so we've established that whoever writes those snippets of dialogue has trouble with continuity and/or sense. This doesn't particularly reflect well on Bioware, does it?

Hmh, no?

It just means Bioware can write pretty dumb dialogue lines sometimes. Not bad writing, just dumb.
That's common knowledge.