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[Locutus_of_BORG]

IDK if anyone's mentioned this yet, but doesn't Jacob say at the beginning of ME2 that Cerberus had a military arm, and that that was the Cerberus Shep fought in ME1? The Cerberus we see in most of ME2 is supposed to be its scientific arm, I think, going from Miranda's dialogues.

[Bluko]

 As other have mentioned when E.D.I. says 150 Operatives, she's probably refering to Cell leaders like Miranda. So there's probably some 100 Cerberus Cells being lead by various "Operatives". Miranda and Jacob for example would be considered Operatives since they have a direct connection with The Illusive Man. The Normandy SR2 crew, even though a part of Cerberus, would not be considered Operatives.

Essentially for every Operative there's probably a dozen "Red Shirts", which means Cerberus likely has a few hundred soldiers or more at it's command.

[Josh123914]

Bluko wrote...

 As other have mentioned when E.D.I. says 150 Operatives, she's probably refering to Cell leaders like Miranda. So there's probably some 100 Cerberus Cells being lead by various "Operatives". Miranda and Jacob for example would be considered Operatives since they have a direct connection with The Illusive Man. The Normandy SR2 crew, even though a part of Cerberus, would not be considered Operatives.

Essentially for every Operative there's probably a dozen "Red Shirts", which means Cerberus likely has a few hundred soldiers or more at it's command.

up op op, I believe you mean 'Orange Shirts', or Black shirts given Cerberus' colours- Or- Orack, Blorange? hold on I'll get back to you on what the mix between orange and black is - *Googling* Ok I found nothing, I guess Maroon/ Brown shirts could be acceptible, but then those colours would make most react like, uhh... yeah that.

[CroGamer002]

I'm still waiting for an answer OP and from anyone that agrees with him.

Mesina2 wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Assuming twenty to thirty individuals died during the revival, this would leave around 120-130 individuals in Cerberus. Though it's entirely possible EDI was listing the live operatives at the time, which could possibly keep the number still at 150 individuals.

[150 individuals if Lazarus deaths aren't counted]
[120-130 individuals if Lazarus deaths are counted]

Now throughout the story of Mass Effect 2, we see more of Cerberus operatives recieving untimely ends. Including Overlord DLC and the deaths of those on the Derelict Reaper (assuming not every husk was a scientist), one could conclude that another 30-40 individuals were lost during these experiments.

[110-120 individuals if Lazarus deaths aren't counted]
[80-100 individuals if Lazarus deaths are counted]

Cerberus body count, Dr. Kevin Archer, audio and video logs from few Cerberus personal in Overlord: 50

Note that I didn't count coffins and I could have missed few bodies and majority of base was inaccessible.
Also I didn't not count David.



Also Shepard( if you brought at least Tali, Garrus and maybe Jacob and Miranda) on Derelict Reaper says after examining Reaper "altar" that Cerberus personal had almost 100 people.

[Winterfly]

I did find it strange how Cerberus needed Shepard to clean up every god damn problem they had breathing at them in ME2 and now they got a military unit?

[CroGamer002]

^Well considering that Shepard is kicking their asses in ME3, I think you get the answer.

[Winterfly]

Mesina2 wrote...

^Well considering that Shepard is kicking their asses in ME3, I think you get the answer.

What the hell are they doing in ME2 then? Getting fat and lazy, sitting gambling and talking ****? I see this comical Cerberus force being all herp derp in their powerarmors, never leaving them, sleeping in them and being all "I Wonder what the boss is doing now..." "I miss seeing Mirandas ass" "Remember that time that Krogan child hunted the whole company out of Tuchanka?"

Or are they waging war on some backwater planet or something? 

Reenactment of the Civil war? WWIII? 

[Tripedius]

First off, never assume that any character in a game can give full disclosure on everything. EDI is just a source, not all knowing. 150 operatives could mean high ranking officers, one branch or just that EDI has limited information. Holding on to this just means you want BW to be wrong or having retconned. 150 operatives as every person in Cerberus is wrong even in ME2.
Secondly, what's an army? We see lots of mooks through out the demo, but not more than 20. Having a couple of hunderd men isn't really like having an army.
Thirdly compare it with real life terrorist organisations. Al-Qeada has been hit over and over again as have the Taliban, but there still alive a kicking even after the deaths of their leaders. There are probably still hunderds off terrorists/extermists scattered across the globe. Space is bigger which means more people, more scattering. Furthermore threats or shocking events tend to draw more people to the specific goal of the terrorist, like you could see a rise in recruitment after the death of Osama or the fall of Sadam.
Fourth, even if at the end of ME2 there is no army, recruitment is quite easy. You have mercs, 11 bilion people on earth or cloning. Personally I think it would be nice if the whole Cerberus army is made up of Shepard clones.
Lastly maybe TIM isn't in control anymore. This could be the point of retribution. It is said TIM couldn't contact some cells anymore and others just got the hell out of there. This could be a setup for a different part of Cerberus TIM has no control over.

Final thoughts:
- all (most of) cerberus personel have to be indoctrinated. No one in there right mind would help cyberdemons who are killing every last loved one in the universe
- we still don't know for certain who was behind the attack on the Lazarus base. They wanted Shep dead then and there. Don't buy that it's the collectors or reapers. Could be daddy Lawson and the attack wasn't aimed at SHepard but at Miranda / Cerberus, who were hidding his daughter. If he took over (part of) Cerberus he could have filled them up with his own private army (and using Cerberus would be logical, they are already considered terrorists). Daddy Lawson also got a nack for genetic perfection......

So all in all, anything is possible. And as long as it is an epic and fun game I don't mind a few plot holes, it would still be better storywise and such than most out there.

[CroGamer002]

Winterfly wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

^Well considering that Shepard is kicking their asses in ME3, I think you get the answer.

What the hell are they doing in ME2 then? Getting fat and lazy, sitting gambling and talking ****? I see this comical Cerberus force being all herp derp in their powerarmors, never leaving them, sleeping in them and being all "I Wonder what the boss is doing now..." "I miss seeing Mirandas ass" "Remember that time that Krogan child hunted the whole company out of Tuchanka?"

Or are they waging war on some backwater planet or something? 

Reenactment of the Civil war? WWIII? 

What makes you think that Illusive Man didn't send his troops first before sending Shepard?

[Locutus_of_BORG]

Mesina2 wrote...

Winterfly wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

^Well considering that Shepard is kicking their asses in ME3, I think you get the answer.

What the hell are they doing in ME2 then? Getting fat and lazy, sitting gambling and talking ****? I see this comical Cerberus force being all herp derp in their powerarmors, never leaving them, sleeping in them and being all "I Wonder what the boss is doing now..." "I miss seeing Mirandas ass" "Remember that time that Krogan child hunted the whole company out of Tuchanka?"

Or are they waging war on some backwater planet or something? 

Reenactment of the Civil war? WWIII? 

What makes you think that Illusive Man didn't send his troops first before sending Shepard?

Pretty much. People need to stop making bad assumptions. Cerberus cells work independently of eachother anyway, so who's to say how TIM's been deploying them this whole time.

If this still isn't enough, then ask yourselves where did TIM get his fleet from (you know, the fleet that goes to get the CB if you handed it over or died in the SM... you guys did pay attention to that, right?), and where did he get all those extra Reaper IFFs to get to the CB? Obviously Cerberus is handwaved throughout the series as being sufficiently vast to do whatever TIM wants them to.

Modifié par Locutus_of_BORG, 10 juin 2011 - 02:35 .

[Flashlegend]

[/quote]
If this still isn't enough, then ask yourselves where did TIM get his fleet from (you know, the fleet that goes to get the CB if you handed it over or died in the SM... you guys did pay attention to that, right?), and where did he get all those extra Reaper IFFs to get to the CB? Obviously Cerberus is handwaved throughout the series as being sufficiently vast to do whatever TIM wants them to.[/quote]

Pretty much this people. As engaging and immersive as the Mass Effect Universe is, the story telling in it(atleast in ME2) is terribly weak. Many things have been hand waved(and retconed) and most likely will be hand waved in the third game. Stop expecting consistent story telling; it's just not gonna happen.

Modifié par Flashlegend, 10 juin 2011 - 02:49 .

[GreenDragon37]

Flashlegend wrote...

If this still isn't enough, then ask yourselves where did TIM get his fleet from (you know, the fleet that goes to get the CB if you handed it over or died in the SM... you guys did pay attention to that, right?), and where did he get all those extra Reaper IFFs to get to the CB? Obviously Cerberus is handwaved throughout the series as being sufficiently vast to do whatever TIM wants them to.

Pretty much this people. As engaging and immersive as the Mass Effect Universe is, the story telling in it(atleast in ME2) is terribly weak. Many things have been hand waved(and retconed) and most likely will be hand waved in the third game. Stop expecting consistent story telling; it's just not gonna happen.

Yeah, ME2 was full of handwaving, and bad plot devices. All to make Cerberus look good.

Modifié par GreenDragon37, 10 juin 2011 - 03:06 .

[HTTP 404]

In Me1, they were building an army, secretly?

also it has been a year since end of Me2.  Im hoping its part of the mystery Shepard will solve.

Modifié par HTTP 404, 10 juin 2011 - 03:00 .

[Warlock Adam]

The devs (specifically Jesse houston) have now said that ME3 now takes place 6-12 months after ME2. Therefore Cerberus has plenty of time to prepare for the reaper invasion by recurring mercs, ex-alliance, and people who are actually agreeing with Shepard. These forces will promptly be circumvented when the reapers use indoctrination, likely adding more troops to the Cerberus flock.

Or Tim is just a sneaky mofo.

Inb4 complaints about handwaving, retconning, and elite midget's trolling about--

Oh wait. Never mind.