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[Walker White]

iceonica wrote...

The sweet thing with Steam is to have the whole collection under one software. I ain't gonna make a collection in a new client and i ain't gonna have two different collections.

The official term for this is network effects.  And EA is clearly ignoring that with a very half-hearted attempt to take on Steam.  Either they go all in on digital publishing or it is over.

[AbsolutGrndZer0]

So what IS Origin? New name for the EA Digital Store, or is it different from the EA Download Manager I use to download my EA games (even those I've bought retail so I don't need the disc in drive)

[Mann42]

Stevedroid wrote...

snip...but we take the idea of a publisher specific download client to it's logically extention, where every publisher has their own dedicated download service, and now I'm maintaining a dozen different logins for a dozen different game clients. 

I don't want to be doing that. That's going backwards in terms of consumer convenience...snip

I agree with this. 

It would be like EA trying to open it's own EA Game Mart and attempt to compete directly with brick and mortar stores like Gamestop or Wallmart. Just because it's online digital software doesn't mean they have any idea how to build a decent, user friendly digital storefront, or that they have any chance of attracting outside publishers to their store to increase their game library. 

If you look at how awful the EA Store is, the Microsoft Game Live Store is (in fact, does that even still exist anymore?), and actually most publisher online game stores, and then compare them to Steam or Direct to Drive, it just drives the point further that EA, MS, and ACT have NO IDEA what they are doing or how to attract customers.

To top if off, publisher stores almost always have the worst DRM of any digital storefront. The publisher just assumes that since you're dumb enough to buy directly from them, you want to have your game software hobbled. Didn't the EA Store have 2 year licenses on game purchases, such that after 2 years you couldn't download the game unless you paid full price again? 

@EA: Take the hit on the margins and SELL MORE COPIES by selling through reliable, user-preferred store fronts. Stop trying to build your own stores. They suck, and your awful, obnoxious promotions make me want to buy your games less. 

Oh, and you won't have to waste money by paying people to constantly revamp or 'reboot' your EA Store from something that sucks to something that still sucks and has a different name. 

Modifié par nexworks, 07 juin 2011 - 05:14 .

[Sou1forged]

charmingcharlie wrote...

Paul Sedgmore wrote...

I really don't get why they would limit the Digital Deluxe Edition to one store, it makes no sense

Nah it makes perfect sense, well for EA that is.  Basically EA wants Origin to become the new "Steam" now if you let PC gamers have a say in that kind of thing then you are going to get a rude response.  So the best way to do it is to ensure PC gamers do not have a say thus the DDE version is "exclusive" to Origin forcing PC gamers to buy it from Origin and nowhere else.

I am actually surprised that they are even going to let Steam sell the standard edition of ME 3 (and until it is up on the store I am not betting on it).  I imagine they will hold off allowing Steam to sell the game as long as possible.

I did laugh at the price of the DDE version on Origin though.  In the UK the DDE version is £55 you can buy the standard version of Mass Effect 3 for £27.  That means the DDE version is TWICE the price of the standard edition and I am pretty sure the actual content you get with the DDE version isn't twice as much.

I will have a look around for the retail Collectors Edition and may get that, if not I will get the Standard Edition if it comes to Steam.  There is no way in hell though I am paying £55 for a digital version, I am a Mass Effect fan not a mug.

Well, if EA wants to make a Steam competitor, they will have to endure the same problems as Steam. Not too many years ago, people trusted Steam just as much as they would trust an elephant to do the dishes, but after a lot of trial and error it has become stable enough, and the complaints have steadily diminished.

As for me, I still don't like Steam very much. The primary reason is that all games bought via Steam requires the client to be running while playing, and that while launching those games I have to deal with an irritating "Launching game" dialog box.EADM/Origin is still very clumsy, especially concerning the download method, but at least I can launch them in a second rather than a minute once they're installed.

I wouldn't be so surprised about ME3 coming to steam, though. After all, EA wants to make money, don't they? What good would locking out a source of customers from buying their games do? They'll attract more customers to their own servic if they tempt with additional privileges rather than hindering everyone else from playing it. Otherwise they'd be pissing people off, resulting in fewer buying, meaning less money.

That said, I have to agree that the pricing seems a bit steep. I mean, reducing the ammount of stuff you get should reduce production cost, so why the indifference in prices? If no reason is given, few people are going to take the bait.

AbsolutGrndZer0 wrote...

So what IS Origin? New name for the EA Digital Store, or is it different from the EA Download Manager I use to download my EA games (even those I've bought retail so I don't need the disc in drive)

It's the same store/platform, just rebranded with a new name.

Modifié par Sou1forged, 07 juin 2011 - 05:04 .

[Avissel]

AbsolutGrndZer0 wrote...

So what IS Origin? New name for the EA Digital Store, or is it different from the EA Download Manager I use to download my EA games (even those I've bought retail so I don't need the disc in drive)

Origin is EAs take on steam.

[KainrycKarr]

I will be purchasing the full physical CE edition, Origin or not.

However I think it is unfair for it to cost $80 for the DDE, since people aren't getting the items, the disc, or any of that jazz. The DDE is a total ripoff.

[SalsaDMA]

Let's have a toast in the memory of 3DFX while chuckling at EA's antics with origin.

[Sweetz]

haynoats wrote...

you get a N7 hoodie as well in your size.

Actually that's not the case.  They worded it poorly in the original listing and a lot of people read it too quickly and misunderstood.

You do NOT get a real N7 hoodie. I mean, they sell the basic N7 hoodie for $58, so they're certainly not going to include it as part of some $20 bonus items.  What you get is an in-game N7 hoodie model/skin for Shepard to wear as casual wear around the ship.

They've now reworded the listing to clear this up.

Still, with the physical DDE you are getting a physical art book, comic, and lithograph (or at least you were going to...oddly enough they seem to have removed the lithograph from the physical listing now too).  PDFs of those do not have the same value.

[silentassassin264]

I have no problem paying 80 dollars for it. I just want it on Steam for crying out loud.  It is not like I go out of my way to have a specific EA games library for Origin to be of any use to me.  Just put the digital deluxe on Steam.

Modifié par silentassassin264, 07 juin 2011 - 06:03 .

[Chromie]

I wanted a damn Uber collection not some dlc crap. Where's my Geth head lamp or N7 Rifle.



(this is created by someone)

Modifié par Ringo12, 07 juin 2011 - 06:04 .

[Mykel54]

This is why i avoid steam exclusive titles, you may find it convenient to have all your games in one place, but now with new companies getting on the steam train (pun intended) the one that will suffer the most is the customer. I hate how these days companies feel entitled to control how and when i decide to play my games, we are progressively losing control over our own games and if this keep up in a few decades we will end up playing some onlive-like server, paying monthly and having no access to the games unless they allow it. If i want to buy online a game i will do so from a website like gog where there isn´t any draconian drm measures to limit and oversee my playtime, thank you.

[DTKT]

I know this sucks but

Buy it retail. Dont support the Origin service.

[charmingcharlie]

DTKT wrote...

I know this sucks but

Buy it retail. Dont support the Origin service.

I have to echo that, the  PC DDE version on Origin is £55 in the UK.  It seems now that the retail version will cost about £60 (PC verseion) for an extra fiver you get the patch, lithograph, metal case and an exclusive cover with both male and femshep on.

It really does not make sense to buy the DDE version.  I mean hell I am a DD guy I love buying and downloading my games from services like steam.  However in this case the extortionate price has just put me off and sent me back to disc for this game.

[Sweetz]

MJRick wrote...

Then dont buy it.

Well I don't intend to, but that doesn't mean I won't complain about it.  Or that someone shouldn't bring consumer unrest to their intention.

I mean this isn't a generic price complaint.  If we didn't have the physical edition to compare the DDE to, I'm sure I could somehow talk myself into $80 being an acceptable sum to pay for the extra in-game content given my affinity for the series.  The problem is not so much that it's $80 by itself, but rather that it's the same price as a version of the game that includes several real, physical extras - and that I don't understand how they expect consumers to accept paying the same price for some PDFs of things. If the DDE was $80 and the physical CE was $90 I honestly probably wouldn't be complaining about price.  I mean I'd still think it's a bit much, but I'd leave other people to handle the whining on that one

Someone might bring up the point that, in general, digital versions are priced the same as physical on release - but here's the thing:  at least for me, a game box and CD have little to no intrinsic value.  Boxes just collect dust on a shelf and CDs are an annoyance.  Since the game itself holds 99.9% of the value for me for a normal, non-CE version, I don't mind paying 100% of the retail price for a digital version of the game, because I'm effectively getting the same with both.

However, a physical printed art book, comic book, and lithograph do have an intrinsic value.  I'd rather look at (drawn) art on a nice high quality print than on a computer sceen.  Unlike the basic game disc and box, there is a value difference for me owning those things in physical reality as opposed to as PDFs - I'm not getting the same with with both.  I presume others would feel the same.  This is why, specifically for the DDE/CE, I think them charging the same price is ridiculous.

Of course, I would still be complaining about Origin exclusivity regardless. :happy:

Modifié par Stevedroid, 07 juin 2011 - 06:20 .

[Paul Sedgmore]

charmingcharlie wrote...

DTKT wrote...

I know this sucks but

Buy it retail. Dont support the Origin service.

I have to echo that, the  PC DDE version on Origin is £55 in the UK.  It seems now that the retail version will cost about £60 (PC verseion) for an extra fiver you get the patch, lithograph, metal case and an exclusive cover with both male and femshep on.

It really does not make sense to buy the DDE version.  I mean hell I am a DD guy I love buying and downloading my games from services like steam.  However in this case the extortionate price has just put me off and sent me back to disc for this game.

Has that been confirmed? the CE page just says "Premium metal case featuring commemorative artwork of Commander Shepard"

[eqzitara]

Im going to wait till my birthday. Ea used to send discounts of 25% off (or 33% i forget) for birthday. I think Digital deluxe edition should be same as Retail non deluxe version. How much money are they saving on paper,packageing,case, inability to resell, etc.
This price is a joke.

I support D2D, then steam.(D2D cause never had a problem with game and they always offer discounts.)

I will not support origin if they screw over every1.

Modifié par eqzitara, 07 juin 2011 - 06:21 .

[SalsaDMA]

{smilie}

Stevedroid wrote...

I don't understand how they expect consumers to accept paying the same price for some PDFs of things.

That boat sailed a long long time ago when publishers stopped bothering supplying printed manuals with the games.

I mean.. You DO know that originally games came with actual manuals that not only explained how to play the game, but also gave stats of various tidbits in the game and also some thematically fictional writing to boot?

They cut costs where ever they can while charging the same amount of money{smilie}, as long as consumers allow them. It's nothing new.

[charmingcharlie]

Paul Sedgmore wrote...
Has that been confirmed? the CE page just says "Premium metal case featuring commemorative artwork of Commander Shepard"

Well Chris Priestly mentions it in a post :-

Christ Priestly wrote .....

Premium metal case featuring commemorative artwork of both male and female versions of Commander Shepard.

http://social.biowar...4/index/7549834

So I imagine that is as close to confirmation as we are going to get at the moment.  The info on the Collectors Edition is pretty basic at best on the ME 3 site.

Modifié par charmingcharlie, 07 juin 2011 - 06:28 .

[Paul Sedgmore]

charmingcharlie wrote...

Paul Sedgmore wrote...
Has that been confirmed? the CE page just says "Premium metal case featuring commemorative artwork of Commander Shepard"

Well Chris Priestly mentions it in a post :-

Christ Priestly wrote .....

Premium metal case featuring commemorative artwork of both male and female versions of Commander Shepard.

http://social.biowar...4/index/7549834

So I imagine that is as close to confirmation as we are going to get at the moment.  The info on the Collectors Edition is pretty basic at best on the ME 3 site.

Fair enough, I don't venture into the News and Announcement forums much. still good to know

[Nexus Arcade]

Uh I found it on gamestop.

[Kronner]

And for Europeans, it's actually 80EUR, which is about 117 USD (thanks google). No way I pay that much for digital when I can pre-order retail N7 edition for 80 USD. Too bad, because I'd actually prefer the digital version.

Modifié par Kronner, 07 juin 2011 - 06:40 .