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[Ricinator]

marshalleck wrote...

Mass Effect 3 = Gears of War 2

They're a generation behind, but not bad for a former RPG developer

indeed good sir

[Dead Shizno]

Lol this threat reminds me of the Prototype vs imfamous game :/ come on we are mass effect fans why bash one game or an other? each game is there own dont judge cuase you played a game that felt a lil like it in some parts.

[Oblivious]

javierabegazo wrote...

Oblivious wrote...
Same engine as GoW? Check.
Same cover system as GoW? Check
One hit melee? Check
Carry 4+ weapons at once? Check
Camera shakes when Shepard "sprints"? Check
Unlimited Sprinting? Check
Blind shooting? Check (sorta)

When it looks like GoW and plays like GoW then of course people are gonna say its a "GOW Clone". What you are mistaking is that it's a bad thing. I think this is awesome since the original ME was a fantastic RPG wrapped in the package of a terribad shooter. Now ME3 is a fantastic RPG wrapped in fantastic shooter mechanics. This is a fantastic addition that brings hope that RPGs aren't limited to "old nerds stuck in the past"

One hit melee? I don't even think you can one hit any enemy and have them die instantly anywhere in ME2 no matter the difficulty.
The Unreal engine that BioWare uses is so far from what it used to be that they might as well be distant cousins rather than brothers.
Carry 4+ Weapons at once? Did you not play other classes than Soldier?
The Camera shook when Shepard ran in ME1 too, it was just slighter.
There isn't unlimited sprinting at all, it's on the same recharge basis as ME1, you simply don't have a fat Sprint Meter clogging up the HUD.
Blind shooting is new to ME3.

In anycase, The two games play totally different from each other. But I agree, it's great that Mass Effect, a game where you shoot stuff with guns got more fun to shoot stuff with guns.

We aren't talking about ME2, we're in the ME3 forums and are talking about how ME3 has finally surpassed Gears of War.

By holding the "B" or "square" button (sorry, don't know the equivelant for PC) Shepard will go in a class-specific insta kill attack. For soldiers they stab with an omni-tool blade (look at demo) for Engineers they burn to death so there is your one-hit melee.
They upgraded the engine true, but it is still the same engine and that much is obvious. It looks and feels like GoW but that isn't a bad thing.
In this game every class will be able to use every weapon. Thus Adepts can use shotguns and sniper rifles. Will they be able to use SMGs, Snipers, Shotguns, Assualts, Pistols, and Heavy Weapons? Probably not, thus I used 4+
Still, the camera shaking is one of the trademarks of GoW and only adds to support my basis
I believe that it's been confirmed that there is unlimited sprinting in ME3
It's still there, whether it's new or not.

We aren't talking about ME 1 or ME 2. We're talking about how Mass Effect 3 has finally stopped being an inferior shooter to Gears of War and can stand side-by-side with it, possibly even surpass it in the single player department if Bioware plays their cards right. This is not a bad thing and is in fact a compliment to Bioware.

[ChristianSoldier]

Ricinator wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Mass Effect 3 = Gears of War 2

They're a generation behind, but not bad for a former RPG developer

indeed good sir

The only reason ME3 is able to stand with Gears in terms of gameplay is because BIOWARE moved ME into the direction of action pack games.(that is where the market for games is right now.EX. Halo, CoD, Gears.) I am an action pack gamer too. But what brought me into ME was the universe. I would love ME to have both action and a SCI FI adventure. Hats off to BIOWARE. BEST of 2 worlds.

[ChristianSoldier]

Oblivious wrote...

javierabegazo wrote...

Oblivious wrote...
Same engine as GoW? Check.
Same cover system as GoW? Check
One hit melee? Check
Carry 4+ weapons at once? Check
Camera shakes when Shepard "sprints"? Check
Unlimited Sprinting? Check
Blind shooting? Check (sorta)

When it looks like GoW and plays like GoW then of course people are gonna say its a "GOW Clone". What you are mistaking is that it's a bad thing. I think this is awesome since the original ME was a fantastic RPG wrapped in the package of a terribad shooter. Now ME3 is a fantastic RPG wrapped in fantastic shooter mechanics. This is a fantastic addition that brings hope that RPGs aren't limited to "old nerds stuck in the past"

One hit melee? I don't even think you can one hit any enemy and have them die instantly anywhere in ME2 no matter the difficulty.
The Unreal engine that BioWare uses is so far from what it used to be that they might as well be distant cousins rather than brothers.
Carry 4+ Weapons at once? Did you not play other classes than Soldier?
The Camera shook when Shepard ran in ME1 too, it was just slighter.
There isn't unlimited sprinting at all, it's on the same recharge basis as ME1, you simply don't have a fat Sprint Meter clogging up the HUD.
Blind shooting is new to ME3.

In anycase, The two games play totally different from each other. But I agree, it's great that Mass Effect, a game where you shoot stuff with guns got more fun to shoot stuff with guns.

We aren't talking about ME2, we're in the ME3 forums and are talking about how ME3 has finally surpassed Gears of War.

By holding the "B" or "square" button (sorry, don't know the equivelant for PC) Shepard will go in a class-specific insta kill attack. For soldiers they stab with an omni-tool blade (look at demo) for Engineers they burn to death so there is your one-hit melee.
They upgraded the engine true, but it is still the same engine and that much is obvious. It looks and feels like GoW but that isn't a bad thing.
In this game every class will be able to use every weapon. Thus Adepts can use shotguns and sniper rifles. Will they be able to use SMGs, Snipers, Shotguns, Assualts, Pistols, and Heavy Weapons? Probably not, thus I used 4+
Still, the camera shaking is one of the trademarks of GoW and only adds to support my basis
I believe that it's been confirmed that there is unlimited sprinting in ME3
It's still there, whether it's new or not.

We aren't talking about ME 1 or ME 2. We're talking about how Mass Effect 3 has finally stopped being an inferior shooter to Gears of War and can stand side-by-side with it, possibly even surpass it in the single player department if Bioware plays their cards right. This is not a bad thing and is in fact a compliment to Bioware.

ME standing side by side to gears in terms of gameplay? I dont think so. ME2 gameplay is nothing compared to gears 1 gameplay my friend.

[Ricinator]

ChristianSoldier wrote...

Ricinator wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Mass Effect 3 = Gears of War 2

They're a generation behind, but not bad for a former RPG developer

indeed good sir

The only reason ME3 is able to stand with Gears in terms of gameplay is because BIOWARE moved ME into the direction of action pack games.(that is where the market for games is right now.EX. Halo, CoD, Gears.) I am an action pack gamer too. But what brought me into ME was the universe. I would love ME to have both action and a SCI FI adventure. Hats off to BIOWARE. BEST of 2 worlds.

gross Mass effect in the same category as halo and CoD, those games are ****s now

Modifié par Ricinator, 07 juin 2011 - 06:56 .

[javierabegazo]

Oblivious wrote...


We aren't talking about ME 1 or ME 2. We're talking about how Mass Effect 3 has finally stopped being an inferior shooter to Gears of War and can stand side-by-side with it, possibly even surpass it in the single player department if Bioware plays their cards right. This is not a bad thing and is in fact a compliment to Bioware.

Well then I'll agree to disagree about our similarities that we draw between GOW and ME3. I've seen many 3rd person shooters that use many of those elements, I don't feel like GOW was such a heavy pioneer as it's made out to be.

I do see where you were coming from though.

[ChristianSoldier]

Ricinator wrote...

ChristianSoldier wrote...

Ricinator wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Mass Effect 3 = Gears of War 2

They're a generation behind, but not bad for a former RPG developer

indeed good sir

The only reason ME3 is able to stand with Gears in terms of gameplay is because BIOWARE moved ME into the direction of action pack games.(that is where the market for games is right now.EX. Halo, CoD, Gears.) I am an action pack gamer too. But what brought me into ME was the universe. I would love ME to have both action and a SCI FI adventure. Hats off to BIOWARE. BEST of 2 worlds.

gross Mass effect in the same category as halo and CoD, those games are ****s now

its all about sales. CoD sold 7 million copies. Halo sold 4-5 million. ME2 sold 2 million. If BIOWARE wants to be successful they have to follow CoD, Halo, and Gears.(action packed games.)

[marshalleck]

javierabegazo wrote...

Why is it that any 3rd person shooter that involves actually having to use cover (god forbid firefights be realistic) means that they're automatically a "GOW Clone."?

Seriously? Did ME2 have Shepard running up and chain sawing a merc in half? 

Did Jacob breakout in some ridiculous stereotypical "I'm gonna kill all you mutha*&^*&^" speech when they got to the suicide mission?

Was there fast paced Multiplayer deathmatch options? 

Were there only 5 guns?

Were there not tactical squad powers and abilities that you can choose to invest points in?

Was there not roleplaying at all?

What's the deal guys, why the "GOW Clone" phrase thrown around so much?

javierabegazo wrote...

To me, the only similarities between GOW and ME2 are:

1. You can't just waltz out in the open spamming Immunity: Cover is essential
2. Guns actually worked like guns, (god forbid the gun shoot where I'm aiming)

That's pretty much it. The similarities stop there. Linear action shooter vs RPG Shooter where you choose what the character says and interact with a host of characters that determine the ending.

This stat based aiming was and is a terrible idea. It would be like running in Dragon Age and taking a swipe at someone with your sword and in the beginning of the game only making contact with the sword 3/5 times every swing. How is that fun? Progression is fun, but that's not the way to go with gun play.

Please discuss ME2 in the ME2 forums

[Oblivious]

javierabegazo wrote...

Oblivious wrote...


We aren't talking about ME 1 or ME 2. We're talking about how Mass Effect 3 has finally stopped being an inferior shooter to Gears of War and can stand side-by-side with it, possibly even surpass it in the single player department if Bioware plays their cards right. This is not a bad thing and is in fact a compliment to Bioware.

Well then I'll agree to disagree about our similarities that we draw between GOW and ME3. I've seen many 3rd person shooters that use many of those elements, I don't feel like GOW was such a heavy pioneer as it's made out to be.

I do see where you were coming from though.

Very well, I will respect your decision in either case, after the Q1 2012 both games will be a thing of the past.

@ChristianSoldier 2 million is successful. Very successful for a single-player only RPG.

[Da_Lion_Man]

More like Gears of War 0.5

[javierabegazo]

Oh Marshalleck....

[SkittlesKat96]

I think ME 3 will still be like the other two games, but the game isn't very polished yet (some of the voice acting, the soundtrack, some of the gameplay etc.) and they seemed pretty desperate to show off the combat for E3 and etcetra

[The Elder King]

Well, I like the gameplay shown in the E3 so far, but I don't know how someone could say that it doesn't seem like GOW (maybe it'll play better, but that's not the point). Seriously, did you see the Cerberus troops with the shields? Or the Y button to look on an objective (or whatever it was). I don't play a lot of FPS, so I don't know if other FPS share this features. But I'm certain that this two things were present in GOW2.

Anyway, I don't have problem with this gameplay. I'll wait for news on the E3 and in the next months about RPG elements.

[TexasToast712]

javierabegazo wrote...
Seriously? Did ME2 have Shepard running up and chain sawing a merc in half?

While I agree with you I cant deny how awesome it would be to see Shep go chainsawing mercs.

[MrGone]

javierabegazo wrote...

Why is it that any 3rd person shooter that involves actually having to use cover (god forbid firefights be realistic) means that they're automatically a "GOW Clone."?

Seriously? Did ME2 have Shepard running up and chain sawing a merc in half?

Did Jacob breakout in some ridiculous stereotypical "I'm gonna kill all you mutha*&^*&^" speech when they got to the suicide mission?

Was there fast paced Multiplayer deathmatch options?

Were there only 5 guns?

Were there not tactical squad powers and abilities that you can choose to invest points in?

Was there not roleplaying at all?

What's the deal guys, why the "GOW Clone" phrase thrown around so much?

Why?

Simple actually. GoW did cover shooting -for all intents and purposes - "first", AND in this hardware generation.

It's not an old game at all, but name a popular game before it that had: a built in cover system, blind-fire, AND sprint as a focus of movement?

Those 3 elements DEFINED a new genre, and unlike say, FPSes the concept just hasn't been around that long.

If you remember your gamer history, all FPSes were called Doom clones until 1998, when they became to ubiquitous and varied to not be considered a genre. A lot of games that are isometric action RPGs are still called Diablo-clones and so on.

When there aren't a TON of options in a genre, people are going to refer to the original until there are.

Now, ME is part of a larger trend that is bringing Cover-Shooters into the fore and we are beginning to see enough every year that I consider it a genre archetype, but the masses . , ., they might have at least until next-gen before that happens.

[Vanni127]

You know...it's interesting to me just how many people want this series to go the way of CoD, Gears, etc. And by interesting...I mean infuriating.

CoD is nothing more than your average mindless FPS crap that honestly should not be as successful as it is. Gears is only slightly better for actually having a halfway decent story. Though the characters are all just over the top cretins.

Mass Effect is a god damn RPG, and I really wish people would fight more to keep it that way. Keep the CoD and Gears crap in their games and out of my RPG thanks.

[Homebound]

whats wrong with u people? Mass effect has nothing to do with gears of war. And i suppose zelda is like god of war too huh?

[Phaedon]

Confused-Shepard wrote...

Kudos to Bioware. Now if would kindly copy Elder Scrolls for RPG elements and take classes from Ken Levine on Atmosphere & Environment design.

You know that if they did that many would rage right?

Oh no, my armour skill only changes when I get hit by an enemy, u r not a tru ar pee gee.

Biowear y so dumped daun 

And imagine what the reactions would be when people are already raging.

Modifié par Phaedon, 07 juin 2011 - 10:20 .

[CroGamer002]

ChristianSoldier wrote...


its all about sales. CoD sold 7 million copies. Halo sold 4-5 million. ME2 sold 2 million. If BIOWARE wants to be successful they have to follow CoD, Halo, and Gears.(action packed games.)

ME2 sold over 2 million on XBox 360.

Add few 100k from PS3 and PC sales that is rumored to have even more sales then XBox 360, at least on launch day.

[Phaedon]

ME2 sold 2 million? Right... ME1 and 2 combined sold over 7 million fyi.


ME2 sold 2 million in the first week, and that was on the XBOX and the PC, without taking Steam and other services into account.

Modifié par Phaedon, 07 juin 2011 - 10:22 .

[CroGamer002]

Also after ME2 I can't play GoW for more then few minutes..
I get bored very fast.

[CannotCompute]

Gears of War is all about cover shoot action. Mass Effect offers so much more than that.

[Oblivious]

Vanni, just because Mass Effect is an RPG does not mean we have to be tortured with the crappy ME1 controls or the painfully outdated d20 dice rolls. Why do you think RPGs aren't as popular as they once were? Because out of all the genres RPGs have been the least willing to advance with the times. Even platformers are being resurrected and pushed forward with Super Mario Galaxy.

I say, if you can make an RPG with amazing shooter mechanics or a shooter with amazing RPG mechanics then you should. Personally, I despise CoD and GoW appeals too much to my id for me to find pleasure in it (oh the irony) but that does not mean they should be ignored by game designers