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[Dasher1010]

In a team full of super-soldiers (Kaiden, Grunt, Jack), legendary mercenaries (Zaeed, Wrex, Thane) and geniouses (Liara, Tali and Mordin) it's great to ahve the two most normal characters in the game return. While garrus became Archangela dn Ashley bacame a spectre, they got to where they are by just knowing how to survive in combat zones without any flashy biotics. Bascially, they rule since they started out as normal characters doing their jobs and were able to thrive even witout Shepard.

Also, despitre beign normal, they aren't boring like Jacob is. They manage to be complex yet memorable and were my squad during my first playthough of ME1.

Modifié par Dasher1010, 07 juin 2011 - 05:44 .

[omgodzilla]

Garrus isn't normal. He isn't a genius or a super-soldier either but something far more. 

Modifié par omgodzilla, 07 juin 2011 - 06:06 .

[Bachi1230]

Why do people keep saying Jacob is boring? He was my favorite character. I hope he comes back.

[Dasher1010]

Bachi1230 wrote...

Why do people keep saying Jacob is boring? He was my favorite character. I hope he comes back.

Jacob... was like Miranda but less interesting. Plus he had a glitch with barrier and his abilities were just a mix of Jack and Grunt's but he wasn't as good as either. He'd also insult your squad, second guess you, insult you if you were female and romancing you, geave creepy dialogue if you completed said romance if you dint' dump him after the, "Miranda deserves a better man than I" line, etc. He had POTENTIAL but was seriously ruined by the writers.

[Bolboreta]

Bachi1230 wrote...

Why do people keep saying Jacob is boring? He was my favorite character. I hope he comes back.

I'm glad you like it (seriously), but for some people he's boring, yes. That's the good thing about Mass Effect: everyone can choose their favourite characters

I'm very happy to see Garrus and Liara with Shepard. I only hope that Ashley hadn't taken the role of captain of the Normandy!!! 

[GnusmasTHX]

Didn't Garrus get his whole squad killed and was about to die himself had Shepard not shown up?

That's not really thriving.

[ThatDancingTurian]

Dasher1010 wrote...

In a team full of super-soldiers (Kaiden, Grunt, Jack), legendary mercenaries (Zaeed, Wrex, Thane) and geniouses (Liara, Tali and Mordin) it's great to ahve the two most normal characters in the game return. While garrus became Archangela dn Ashley bacame a spectre, they got to where they are by just knowing how to survive in combat zones without any flashy biotics. Bascially, they rule since they started out as normal characters doing their jobs and were able to thrive even witout Shepard.

Also, despitre beign normal, they aren't boring like Jacob is. They manage to be complex yet memorable and were my squad during my first playthough of ME1.

+1

I think what I love most about both of them is the way they walk the fine line between badass and everyman (or woman, as the case may be). I'm going to be waiting anxiously to see how Ashley has developed. My biggest hope is that whatever changes she's gone through don't change who she is at her core.

@GnusmasTHX: True, but what he accomplished was still fairly impressive until that single oversight that caused him to lose everything.

Modifié par Aris Ravenstar, 07 juin 2011 - 07:42 .

[Oblivious]

Bachi1230 wrote...

Why do people keep saying Jacob is boring? He was my favorite character. I hope he comes back.

He has no character development or growth. He is never scared, happy, angry, or sad. Nor is he evil, plagued by moral demons, or unsure of himself. Add to that the only time he shows emotion (hatred at the thought of mercs) it is never even explored and everybody, litterally EVERYBODY, likes him. Even Jack and TIM like him. His loyalty mission revealed nothing about his personality other than despite having a terrible father he still grew up straight as an arrow. Jacob is the Mary Sue of Mass Effect and in a ship full of aliens, mutants, and psychopaths is the least human character.

No offense meant to you at all, but the dude was seriously under worked:?

[GnusmasTHX]

Also since I play Soldier, Ashley, if she were still alive, would just be a less awesome, less accomplished version of me.

[Oblivious]

GnusmasTHX wrote...

Didn't Garrus get his whole squad killed and was about to die himself had Shepard not shown up?

That's not really thriving.

Thriving = character growth. He found what he wanted to do with himself, help people, found a method of doing it, vigilante, and was so great at it people viewed him as an angel and others joined him. Then he grew in terms of abilities as he proved he was a natural born leader, inspiring all despite racial boundaries and their pasts. Without a doubt he was thriving before he was betrayed, which wasn't his fault and could literally happen to anyone at anytime, even Shepard.

[PPF65]

They didn't thrive without Shepard, they thrived because of Shepard. Shepard inspired and led all of his/her squadmates from ME1 (who survived), onto greater things.

The same can be said of all the super-soldiers, geniuses, legendary mercs and all manner of allies Shepard has had.

Though I agree that them being back is great. Especially Garrus. He was always in my squad. Except in the final fight in ME2, because he is good at holding the line.

[kaiki01]

Shepard needs Garrus. Its more fun when Shepard is the good cop to Garrus' Dirty Harry cop

[Stun704]

hardcore mass effect fans demand too much out of their characters (as they should) however casual mass effect fans that i've met like Jacob.. the hatred for Jacob is really reserved to this forum for one reason or another

[mineralica]

GnusmasTHX wrote...

Also since I play Soldier, Ashley, if she were still alive, would just be a less awesome, less accomplished version of me.

I have full renegade pro-Cerberus Ashley Shepard who is soldier - and this is my rare playthrough where Kaidan is dead. But since she's an anti-main Shepard, it will be a long time while she'd be transferred in ME3

[WizenSlinky0]

People don't like Jacob because he doesn't stand out. The other characters all have their moments where they kind of pop out at the screen at you. Where as Jacob, while enjoyable (for me anyway), was simply kinda there. He was warm, friendly, and well "normal".

While we might become friends with normal people in real life, in games most people prefer more *POP* characters.

Modifié par WizenSlinky0, 07 juin 2011 - 07:50 .

[Oblivious]

Stun704 wrote...

hardcore mass effect fans demand too much out of their characters (as they should) however casual mass effect fans that i've met like Jacob.. the hatred for Jacob is really reserved to this forum for one reason or another

Meh, I have a Bachelors in English and a Masters in Creative Writing. TBH I don't hate his character, I would even be friends with him IRL, but I dislike his role in the game as it stands out negatively compared to the rest of the (admittedly-weak) characters. I'm sure that others on these forums are equal enthusiasts when it comes to writing and story and have analyzed that Jacob is obviously the "weak" link in ME2. Even the pilot, the technician, the janitor/cook and the AI are more interesting (yes, I know their names).

[SkittlesKat96]

 Well Ashley and Garrus are also pretty elite 'super' soldiers too...

It makes sense though cause Shepard is an extremely elite soldier so he has to have all of the greatest soldiers and fighters in the galaxy with him to do the stuff he does and the greatest fighters in the galaxy just happen to have really interesting stories that are the reason for why they are so tough (Zaaed use to be the head of the Blue Suns, Wrex is a pureblooded Krogan, Samara is a justicar, Miranda is an elite perfect soldier sent from the Illusive Man and so on)

[SuiteAces]

Like the person a couple of posts above said; Ashley/Kaidan had better not be in charge of the Normandy over Shep. That will ****** me off, the SR2 is my Shep's spoils/payment for having to deal with TIM and the Alliance can kiss my grits.

[Antivenger]

Gonna be awesome having those two back with me in ME3. James and Liara can take a back seat.