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[IndelibleJester]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

It bloody well better not. If it does, TPB here I come.

I wish I could "like" this post.

[Aimi]

Quietwulf wrote...

Got bad news for you guys. I heard that the physical media will "Require Origin to play" and will force the installation of Origin along with the game.

EA is going to basically blackmail customers into using their platform.. Kind of like Steam did with the Orange Box... Only we all actually *like* valve and steam, so were ok with it.

Except for those who don't actually like Valve or Steam.  I'm not one of them, but I participated in the massive flame wars on Civ fansites when Civilization V was announced to be a Steam-intrinsic product.

[Durka531]

Quietwulf wrote...

Got bad news for you guys. I heard that the physical media will "Require Origin to play" and will force the installation of Origin along with the game.

EA is going to basically blackmail customers into using their platform.. Kind of like Steam did with the Orange Box... Only we all actually *like* valve and steam, so were ok with it.

WHAT    Where did you read this?

Modifié par Durka531, 07 juin 2011 - 08:22 .

[Zeratul20]

viverravid wrote...

Zeratul20 wrote...

Oh, and to respond to the OP's question:

That's actually the moderator's question, I'm well aware of what it says on the image I posted.

Well, the topic's title says "Will Steam not get access to Digital CE?", so... Eh. Sorry about that. I only saw the image, just now.
BUT IN CONCLUSION... I would assume that they'll release the regular version on Steam, at least.

Anyway, I hope it'll be on steam, but I'll probably buy it on hard-copy anyway. The Dragon Age II Hard-copy didn't force me to install Origin, but it registered the game to my EA-Downloader account (used for Dead Space 2). That was, however, before the EA Downloader turned into a Steam- look-a-like.

So, in short, I have no bloody clue. The end is nigh!

[Manic Sheep]

Quietwulf wrote...

Got bad news for you guys. I heard that the physical media will "Require Origin to play" and will force the installation of Origin along with the game.

EA is going to basically blackmail customers into using their platform.. Kind of like Steam did with the Orange Box... Only we all actually *like* valve and steam, so were ok with it.

What? God damn it. I was pissed enough when steam did that.

[Hathur]

daqs wrote...

Quietwulf wrote...

Got bad news for you guys. I heard that the physical media will "Require Origin to play" and will force the installation of Origin along with the game.

EA is going to basically blackmail customers into using their platform.. Kind of like Steam did with the Orange Box... Only we all actually *like* valve and steam, so were ok with it.

Except for those who don't actually like Valve or Steam.  I'm not one of them, but I participated in the massive flame wars on Civ fansites when Civilization V was announced to be a Steam-intrinsic product.

God I remember that... I'll never understand people.. Steam eats only 20 megs of RAM when running.. that's less than Firefox or Google Chrome.... instant messengers use more even. So the resource argument some make is insane (especially when considering most people are working with 2-8 gigs of RAM these days... 20mb is not even a drop in the bucket.

The other is that it requires online connection. BS. You need to connect to steam once when you install the game and that's it. You can switch Steam to offline mode and not connect again for years if you want and you can still play your Steam guys just fine... you just need to run Steam in the background in offline mode to run the game and that's it... total cost... 20 mb of RAM.... Wow... save me... the trauma and agony it causes me to do that.

I've had my Steam in offline mode for 5+ months now and I can still load up ME2, Civ5 and all my other Steam games just fine (hell I went 3 weeks without a net connection and I could still play my games on Steam just fine... so long as you leave it in offline mode).

Modifié par Hathur, 07 juin 2011 - 08:56 .

[Durka531]

Ok I've looked arround and searched every gaming news site i could find and ended up reading the EA press release concerning ME3 and the only thing i could find that might be related is that Origin will have exclusive content for the digital games they sell but it does not say anything about people needing to install origin in order to play the game.
Here is the link to the press release.

[xentar]

Manic Sheep wrote...

The BS Police wrote...

Physical copies > digital copies.

I agree, I hate having everything linked with online accounts, having to download it kills my bandwidth and Internet is not cheap. I also just feel more comfortable knowing I have the CD for some strange reason. I will buy off steam but I don't trust EA enough to buy off their store.

Don't forget that digital may be the only way to buy an English version of the game in non-English-speaking countries.

[Sekhem]

Ahh ... yet again, a game publisher punishes people who want to legitimately own a game and pay for it, while having zero effect on those who pirate the game. Wasn't the legions of people (who'd bought the game) who couldn't play DA2 on launch day enough, while the pirates were all happily playing on day one?

My philosophy is pretty simple ... tied to an online service = no sale. I refuse to have something I paid for held ransom because the publisher's servers are having issues, or even because of something I said on their forums leading them to ban my account. If I buy something...it's mine. Period. Whether I install that DVD and play the game "vanilla", install it and mod the hell out of it, or toss it around the house as a frisbee-style cat toy is none of the publisher's business, and I'll quit gaming entirely before I allow a company that I have given money to for a paid product to then claim they have the right to take that product away from me at will. One-time online activation at install is *tolerable* to me, but even that does nothing to stop piracy.

[BounceDK]

I hate steam, hope it dies soon.

[Mixon]

Don't know why you hate it, any reason facts?
I downloaded Origin, sooo what i saw:
-The inconvenient interface
-No comunity groups
-Weak personification
-Each update is reseting configurations
-No free avatar making, Nickname changing, about yourself writing, screenshot gallary making, etc, etc ,etc....
+Region price policy (Good for countries like Russia, where games cost 50%-60% less)
+All Steam EA games were successfully added to Origin, but only which are 2008+ (ME1 not Steam, not dvd is not successed) were not added, and EA support cant help, i asked.

So, i think ME3 is a good product to make Origin popular. Only one question, will be the Origin better? rhetorical question.
 
p.s. Btw didn't try it yet after windows reinstalling, for example Steam and it's games are working fine without again installing... just copied it on other hard wich never formated.

Modifié par Mixon, 28 juin 2011 - 01:02 .

[Destr1er]

Isn't Origin just an updated EA Download Manager? I used that to buy some games and DLC. Didn't seem to intrusive.

I don't mind the digital distribution platforms, but I HATE the social media aspect of them. Stop tying games and other things in with profiles and twitter and facebook and all that other crap.
I just want to play the damn games, I don't want any of that other garbage.

[AlanC9]

Heh. Some of the things Mixon says are problems with Origin seem to be exactly the things Destr1er wants from the service

[fenrya13]

Mixon wrote...

Don't know why you hate it, any reason facts?
I downloaded Origin, sooo what i saw:
-The inconvenient interface
-No comunity groups
-Weak personification
-Each update is reseting configurations
-No free avatar making, Nickname changing, about yourself writing, screenshot gallary making, etc, etc ,etc....
+Region price policy (Good for countries like Russia, where games cost 50%-60% less)
+All Steam EA games were successfully added to Origin, but only which are 2008+ (ME1 not Steam, not dvd is not successed) were not added, and EA support cant help, i asked.

So, i think ME3 is a good product to make Origin popular. Only one question, will be the Origin better? rhetorical question.
 
p.s. Btw didn't try it yet after windows reinstalling, for example Steam and it's games are working fine without again installing... just copied it on other hard wich never formated.

Did you read the EULA before you installed it? If not you should read it now. You may find some nasty surprises that you don't like.

At any rate if they try to make origin mandatory to install/play the game from a physical copy they're going to lose my $80. Origin is not going on my PC ever.

[viverravid]

Wow, thread still going.

Anyways, Origin doesn't look as bad now as it did a few weeks ago, seeing as we now know it's not an "always on" client app like Steam, just a downloader and authorizer. Also it appears the authorizer is bundled with all EA games no matter where you buy it - e.g. my Steam version of Alice fired up the EA authorizer on first run, and hardcopies apparently do the same.

They've added a bunch of friends/social features to Origin to try and displace Steam, but... good luck with that EA.

Big downside is the "we may deauthorize your games if you don't login for 24 months" clause in the TOS. However, something few have noticed is that the Origin TOS applies to every single EA account - not only to games downloaded via Origin (as your EA account is now also called your Origin account - they are the same thing).

So hardcopies of ME3 could also be deauthorized if you don't login to your EA account for two years.

So all that means pretty much every method of purchasing the game sucks, but Origin is probably the _least_ annoying - no discs to lose, no app to run in the background.

[Daiyus]

The BS Police wrote...

Physical copies > digital copies.

I agree. That said I do use Steam for my older games like Morrowind. I tend to play new games on consoles, and then get them digitally for PC when they become "outdated".

As for the topic issue. If I were in that situation I'd buy a hard copy. I've only recently adopted Steam, and I only get old, cheap games on it. Like hell am I going to be a test rat for EA and it's Origin. Why can't they just accept that Steam has that base covered now?

[Shadeart]

EA is playing a game which will results in monetary losses and I am quite happy 'bout it. After this "origin"al move you can be sure ME3 will be the last game I buy from them but since the deal is EA gives money Bioware uses them I bet they are likely to act the way EA wants them to.
Steam exists and work well also, even if linked directly to valve, it sells game from every developer willing to use the platform I see no reason why EA needs to create this useless provider. Also note that all of our EA accout will be convert in Origin account ( https://www.ea.com/p...p://www.ea.com/ ).

My actual concern is this: will ME3 hard copy collector edition require origin to work? if so I will give it back and buy something else?


Cheers,
Shade


Sorry for possible grammar mistakes, I am not a native English speaker -

[viverravid]

Daiyus wrote...

As for the topic issue. If I were in that situation I'd buy a hard copy. 

The point is that EA's TOS and online registration system now applies to all copies, regardless of source media, so there really is no advantage other than bandwidth savings to buying a hard copy over Origin (unless you want the swag in the physical Collectors Edition). And it isn't clear wether you're allowed to download a new copy from Origin if your discs are damaged, so hardcopies could be easier to lose out on.

Any copy could potentially be deauthorized after 24 months of inactivity according to the TOS (see section 5,  "Content and Entitlement Availability")

Also, EA's Origin FAQ says Origin must be running to play your games, yet Alice: Madness Returns users who bought through Origin have tested this and it isn't true.

Modifié par viverravid, 28 juin 2011 - 10:14 .

[Daiyus]

viverravid wrote...

Daiyus wrote...

As for the topic issue. If I were in that situation I'd buy a hard copy. 

The point is that EA's TOS and online registration system now applies to all copies, regardless of source media, so there really is no advantage other than bandwidth savings to buying a hard copy over Origin (unless you want the swag in the physical Collectors Edition). And it isn't clear wether you're allowed to download a new copy from Origin if your discs are damaged, so hardcopies could be easier to lose out on.

Any copy could potentially be deauthorized after 24 months of inactivity according to the TOS (see section 5,  "Content and Entitlement Availability")

Also, EA's Origin FAQ says Origin must be running to play your games, yet Alice: Madness Returns users who bought through Origin have tested this and it isn't true.

Sounds like a pain in the ass. I'm relatively new to gaming on the PC, and most of the titles I do play are so old DRM doesn't really rear it's head. I seriously hope EA will at least adjust their policies so it only requires activation, rather than constant running. The Alice thing shos hope.

[Mixon]

Well, you know guys that Valve games and some others wich Steam represents when you buys phisical copie of it, i mean dvd disk with game - Steam got necessarily installing, so u cant play game without it even if u dont wanna have it. I wonder, what will be with Origin and ME3 in this case.

[Cutlass Jack]

Just in case you folks didn't know, your Bioware Account is going to become an Origin account all on its own in a few months. So while we may be logging in to Origin to play, it may not be any different than the current logging in we do in ME2.

Anyway, Digital Deluxe seems a bad way to go anyway. You pay exactly the same price as the Collector's edition with none of the physical goodies.

[archurban]

retail version is better than digital version todays. period. you take CD key everytime when you reinstall? EA changed the way. once you install it, and register game into Origin, next time you don't even need CD. it becomes totally digital version. you don't even need to authorize again. but you still have beautiful retail version of artbook, soundtrack CD, and so on. so retail (physical) is much better. plus, I like physical stuff because I fee like owning something. digital version I do feel nothing.

[RPGamer13]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Just in case you folks didn't know, your Bioware Account is going to become an Origin account all on its own in a few months. So while we may be logging in to Origin to play, it may not be any different than the current logging in we do in ME2.

Anyway, Digital Deluxe seems a bad way to go anyway. You pay exactly the same price as the Collector's edition with none of the physical goodies.

Well, unfortunately for me, the time that Mass Effect 3 comes out... I will most likely not be home and be over in Iraq or Afghanistan, in which case I'd need to download it or wait like 6 months to get back home to a copy that might not even be preserved well. Also: having a digital copy of all the artwork saves from having to scan everything.

That said: I've sincerely considered buying the boxed version too because it's the only way to get a box with Female Shepard on it. Could become a collector's item.

Modifié par RPGamer13, 29 juin 2011 - 01:28 .

[Mixon]

archurban wrote...

retail version is better than digital version todays. period. you take CD key everytime when you reinstall? EA changed the way. once you install it, and register game into Origin, next time you don't even need CD. it becomes totally digital version. you don't even need to authorize again. but you still have beautiful retail version of artbook, soundtrack CD, and so on. so retail (physical) is much better. plus, I like physical stuff because I fee like owning something. digital version I do feel nothing.

When you bought CD, u can just take CD-key from it, whithout installing, put it in game manager (Origin) and it will be digital forever on your account, and then u can download it and never use CD for it. With Origin you don't need to use CD everytime.

[xentar]

archurban wrote...

retail version is better than digital version todays. period. you take CD key everytime when you reinstall? EA changed the way. once you install it, and register game into Origin, next time you don't even need CD. it becomes totally digital version. you don't even need to authorize again. but you still have beautiful retail version of artbook, soundtrack CD, and so on. so retail (physical) is much better. plus, I like physical stuff because I fee like owning something. digital version I do feel nothing.

Unless you happen to live in a non English-speaking country, that is.