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[D.Kain]

 I was just reading through the these Ashley threads and thought back to both ME1 and ME2. And when I think about it it's odd that female characters really looked so fragile. I rewached the sex scene from ME1 and even Ashley didn't have an athletic body. I mean shouldn't soldier women be a bit more muscular? I can understand some are using biotics and stuff, but still, they are suposed to be in a good condition to run fast and take hits, sometimes maybe even fist fights can take place. If you'd ask me I'd say that both Jack and Miranda for example should atleast have visible abs, and at most some visible biceps, yet they have a flat stomach and thin hands.

So what do you think?

[Paula Deen]

Yeah, it is rather odd. Hell, FemShep still punched out the Shadow Broker despite having arms on par with or even smaller than the average modern male.

It is rather uncanny. Halo: Reach also did this in an odd way, with arms/shoulders looking like sticks compared to their male counterparts (though the legs were equal...)

[Seboist]

I always found it jarring that Femshep, Ashley,Miranda,etc all have the same physique as someone like Kelly. It really stretches believability when you see femshep punching out Turians with bare fists or carrying Kaidan over her shoulders on Virmire.

Ashley and Femshep should have had MMA fighter type physiques.

[ForumPortal]

yeah it was... strange.... to see my female shepard carrying Kaiden on Virmire.....

hope they have seperate models

[Ryzaki]

Yeah FemShep and Ashley could've used some muscle definition.

It doesn't really look right. FemShep at least *now* has the excuse of being a cyborg. Ash doesn't have that excuse. (and Miranda/Jack/Samara/Liara all have some biotic ability).

[Merci357]

Seboist wrote...

I always found it jarring that Femshep, Ashley,Miranda,etc all have the same physique as someone like Kelly. It really stretches believability when you see femshep punching out Turians with bare fists or carrying Kaidan over her shoulders on Virmire.

Ashley and Femshep should have had MMA fighter type physiques.

But this swings both ways - Udina, Pressly or Engineer Adams with the same body frame as (male) Shepard?

That said, I fully agree, the one size fits all bodies are sometimes quite odd.

[SilentNukee]

I agree, but...What can we do? Sex sells. You don't want them too muscular or it won't be appealing. :[

[Rheia]

Ryzaki wrote...

Yeah FemShep and Ashley could've used some muscle definition.

It doesn't really look right. FemShep at least *now* has the excuse of being a cyborg. Ash doesn't have that excuse. (and Miranda/Jack/Samara/Liara all have some biotic ability).

Shepard also can be a biotic. Carrying someone can be done in a burst of adrenaline.

I'm going to play a devil's advocate, and say I'd prefer Shepard/Ash/Miranda and who else have you remain as they are. What's wrong with wiry/slender builds? Why does capable leader need to be synonimous with a bodybuilder? 

If you guys are talking a model rework ala Dragon Age Origins vanilla model -->Dragon Age II vanilla model, fixing proportions and aethetics,  sure I'd get behind that.

Shepard suddenly growing 20 kilo of muscle mass... I personally don't see this being very appealing.

[Seboist]

Merci357 wrote...

Seboist wrote...

I always found it jarring that Femshep, Ashley,Miranda,etc all have the same physique as someone like Kelly. It really stretches believability when you see femshep punching out Turians with bare fists or carrying Kaidan over her shoulders on Virmire.

Ashley and Femshep should have had MMA fighter type physiques.

But this swings both ways - Udina, Pressly or Engineer Adams with the same body frame as (male) Shepard?

That said, I fully agree, the one size fits all bodies are sometimes quite odd.

That is problematic as well, like seeing someone who sits on his ass all day like Joker being buff.

[blackashes411]

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[Seboist]

Rheia wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Yeah FemShep and Ashley could've used some muscle definition.

It doesn't really look right. FemShep at least *now* has the excuse of being a cyborg. Ash doesn't have that excuse. (and Miranda/Jack/Samara/Liara all have some biotic ability).

Shepard also can be a biotic. Carrying someone can be done in a burst of adrenaline.

I'm going to play a devil's advocate, and say I'd prefer Shepard/Ash/Miranda and who else have you remain as they are. What's wrong with wiry/slender builds? Why does capable leader need to be synonimous with a bodybuilder? 

If you guys are talking a model rework ala Dragon Age Origins vanilla model -->Dragon Age II vanilla model, fixing proportions and aethetics,  sure I'd get behind that.

Shepard suddenly growing 20 kilo of muscle mass... I personally don't see this being very appealing.

Shepard, Ashley and Miranda are military combatants and one such requirement is to be physically fit(and no that doesn't equate to being a bodybuilder).

[Seboist]

blackashes411 wrote...



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I want my femshep to have a bod like that.

[Weiser_Cain]

SilentNukee wrote...

I agree, but...What can we do? Sex sells. You don't want them too muscular or it won't be appealing. :[

Mmmm, I'm on several forums where you waould be chased out for saying that. Lets not also forget that this is science fiction, everything they do would be well received by some fans.
Anyway, the real reason everybody has about the same body type is so they don't have to do a bunch of extra work for the different sizes and shapes. That's most likely why we didn't see females for most races either.

[Confused-Shepard]

Now that is my kind of hotness. Those legs could pulverize a Krogan.

[Ryzaki]

Rheia wrote...
Shepard also can be a biotic. Carrying someone can be done in a burst of adrenaline. 

I'm going to play a devil's advocate, and say I'd prefer Shepard/Ash/Miranda and who else have you remain as they are. What's wrong with wiry/slender builds? Why does capable leader need to be synonimous with a bodybuilder? 

If you guys are talking a model rework ala Dragon Age Origins vanilla model -->Dragon Age II vanilla model, fixing proportions and aethetics,  sure I'd get behind that.

Shepard suddenly growing 20 kilo of muscle mass... I personally don't see this being very appealing.

 

In the military she would be expected to carry a certain amount of weight. (probably over a certain amount of distance in a certain amount of time). 

Because they're in the military and it has fitness requirements. It doesn't look believable to me to have a skinny female punching people as hard as a muscular male. 

Her being a huge bodybuilder? No I don't want that. What I want is some muscle definition and tone like a gymnast or a runner. She looks way to skinny to me. 

Which is probably why they wouldn't do it. 

[Ryzaki]

blackashes411 wrote...



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This would've been perfect. Buff but not "EW" levels. 

[Merci357]

SilentNukee wrote...

I agree, but...What can we do? Sex sells. You don't want them too muscular or it won't be appealing. :[

And the woman on the picture here in this thread isn't sexy? I love athletic women.

[Fairhammer]

Ryzaki wrote...

blackashes411 wrote...



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This would've been perfect. Buff but not "EW" levels. 

Total agreement!

[Sylvianus]

Femshep in M1and M2 was anything but muscular.

She is an elite soldier, there is no excuse, you have never been disturbed before. So why now ?

Modifié par Sylvianus, 07 juin 2011 - 07:36 .

[Aimi]

Sylvianus wrote...

Femshep in M1and M2 was anything but muscular.

She is an elite soldier, there is no excuse, you have never been disturbed before. So why now ?

Because of the Ashley thing.

Modifié par daqs, 07 juin 2011 - 07:37 .

[Sylvianus]

daqs wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

Femshep in M1and M2 was anything but muscular.

She is an elite soldier, there is no excuse, you have never been disturbed before. So why now ?

Because of the Ashley thing.

Oh I see. All the excuses are good to shoot on anything.

[Aimi]

Sylvianus wrote...

daqs wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

Femshep in M1and M2 was anything but muscular.

She is an elite soldier, there is no excuse, you have never been disturbed before. So why now ?

Because of the Ashley thing.

Oh I see. All the excuses are good to shoot on anything.

Well, I mean, if you're complaining about how Ashley's clothing choice makes her look un-soldierly, it's only a hop, skip, and a jump from there to noticing how her entire body doesn't look very soldierly - and, by extension, how FemShep's body doesn't look very soldierly.

[Seboist]

Sylvianus wrote...

Femshep in M1and M2 was anything but muscular.

She is an elite soldier, there is no excuse, you have never been disturbed before. So why now ?

Femshep's (lack of) physique has always been a pet peeve of mine.

[jeweledleah]

Seboist wrote...

blackashes411 wrote...



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I want my femshep to have a bod like that.

do you have any idea how much work and specific diet + supplements it takes to have a body like that, with that low of a bodyfat content?  Even professional gymnasts are not as defined.

fitness models look the way they do becasue its their job.  its ALL they do.  train to look this way.  look at the sirque de soleil acrobats one of these days.  now those men and women are exceptionaly strong and fit and flexible and capable.  but... they look pretty nromal sizewise.  wiry one can say.

this above?  female MMA fighters don't look like that either, unless they double as fitness models.  some might have bigger arms, but this above?  femshep woudln't have enough time for something like that.

Modifié par jeweledleah, 07 juin 2011 - 07:45 .

[blackashes411]

jeweledleah wrote...

Seboist wrote...

blackashes411 wrote...



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I want my femshep to have a bod like that.

do you have any idea how much work and specific diet + supplements it takes to have a body like that, with that low of a bodyfat content?  Even professional gymnasts are not as defined.

fitness models look the way they do becasue its their job.  its ALL they do.  train to look this way.  look at the sirque de soleil acrobats one of these days.  now those men and women are exceptionaly strong and fit and flexible and capable.  but... they look pretty nromal sizewise.  wiry one can say.

this above?  female MMA fighters don't look like that either, unless they double as fitness models.  some might have bigger arms, but this above?  femshep woudln't have enough time for something like that.

Seeing that Mass Effect is set in the future ...........

Modifié par blackashes411, 07 juin 2011 - 07:46 .