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[RPGamer13]

D.Kain wrote...

 I was just reading through the these Ashley threads and thought back to both ME1 and ME2. And when I think about it it's odd that female characters really looked so fragile. I rewached the sex scene from ME1 and even Ashley didn't have an athletic body. I mean shouldn't soldier women be a bit more muscular? I can understand some are using biotics and stuff, but still, they are suposed to be in a good condition to run fast and take hits, sometimes maybe even fist fights can take place. If you'd ask me I'd say that both Jack and Miranda for example should atleast have visible abs, and at most some visible biceps, yet they have a flat stomach and thin hands.

So what do you think?

I've been saying that for a long time.  And it's not just Mass Effect, they do the same thing in both Dragon Age games.  Although in Dragon Age II Isabela I would say has acceptable arms.  Her arms are 3x as thick as NPC females and about 2x as Female Hawke even if she's a warrior, and Isabela's arms are what I would have exptected from the Female Hawke at least as a Warrior.  Afterall, the body proportions of Female Hawke is exactly the same as Isabela's, but her arms are thinner and doesn't look right with the rest of the body, they have a problem with legs on Female Hawke not matching either.  Again, Isabella's legs have a bigger diameter than Female Hawke.

I've seen some Marine females and one had arm muscles bigger than mine, on par with the male Marines I had seen her with.

[littlezack]

I imagine it has less to do with 'sex selling' than the developers not thinking that creating multiple bodies was an appropriate use of time and resources.

[Had-to-say]

SilentNukee wrote...

I agree, but...What can we do? Sex sells. You don't want them too muscular or it won't be appealing. :[

Speak for yourself. Why is that we men don't want a physically strong woman. Do we men really want a woman with buns of steel?

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Nodscouter wrote...

And next, we'll have to remake everybody in the series because ''looking that good isn't realistic''.
I'm sorry, but face it. Both men and women in media are overly sexualized, the difference is that a small part of the men's overly-sexualized attributes (the muscles) make some amount of sense, but even then, few of the most decorated soldiers of today look that good, not even the best soldiers have lots and lots of muscles.

US Navy SEALs are considered the best and most of them have pot bellies.(not neccesarily fat but they arent built like Spartans)

[BP20125810]

It's a game bro. Bioware could have designed shepard to look like Brienne, but would you really enjoy looking at that for the entire time you played the game?

[suprhomre]

 I don't think it's strange at all I have always pictured the women as atlethic dancers, gymnast or swimmers. With soft but agile strong bodyshape. Believe me these women are really strong I weigh about 85 kg and 175cm tall my girlfriend who is 155cm and weigh 50kg, she can carry me without any problem. All because she has trained dancing and gymnastic all her life. This is how I picture Miranda and my femshep, also due to the fact that I always play as an adept with my femshep. 

[Skirata129]

size doesn't always equal strength. and fem shep carrying kaiden struck me as believable, since I'm 135 and can carry 250 lbs pretty easily, even without adrenaline.

[Giant ambush beetle]

The build of female fighters in BW games has always been one of my biggest gripes, its just so ridiculous to see twig armed and out of shape female soldiers and meele warriors (DAO) handle really heavy weapons, wear heavy armor suits and perform physical tasks which require a pretty high amount of bodily strength. Unless they're focking cyborgs its just stupid.

I'm not saying I'd want a female soldier look like a body builder, but at least a toned body would add some credibility, hell, a soldier is not an ordinary person, a soldier is a person that fights, a warrior that needs to be prepared as well as possible for *all* kind of situations on the battlefield, and preparedness changes someones physics. One of the most crucial physical abilities a solider must have is good upper body strength, in the case of severe lower body injury and disabled legs the soldier must be able to drag his body + all the gear strapped to him / her to cover and out of the immediate danger zone. Physical fitness can and will save your butt in a situation like that.
Same goes for climbing and being able to pull your own body weight + gear over ledges etc.

You can't do that with twig arms and pencil neck.

So, what do I want? Its about bloody time for different body shapes for *both genders* depending on the class.

size doesn't always equal strength

In the case of muscles it does, the thicker the muscle fibers the more pull they create when they compress.
Genetics and type of exercise plays a role too, some can grow more effective smaller muscles, but the difference in size is hardly noticeable.
(There are some hormonal diseases that makes the body produce very large but highly ineffective muscles, but thats a different matter)
You can somewhat cheat a little bit and compensate lack of strength with a superior muscle coordination using the muscles more efficiently, but that only works so well.

Modifié par The Woldan , 28 juillet 2011 - 11:15 .

[Skirata129]

eh, it has to do with what kind of excercise they do. people tend to go for explosive strength, which creates larger muscles, by doing short, high intensity workouts with heavy weights. for fighting, swimming, climbing and swordfighting, which are my 4 favorite sports, lower weight and high reps makes your muscles more powerful for their size and gives you more endurance. that's the kind of muscle soldiers have, unless they are the type that doesnt think out how their workout style impacts their effectiveness and bulks up at the gym, only to have useless muscle mass slowing them down on runs.

[Giant ambush beetle]

Thats right, military physical requirement tests show that a mix of both types of strength is needed, soldiers usually try to hit the middle ground to have both explosive strength and endurance, endurance to carry lots of equipment over a long period of time, running and climbing, explosive strength for hand to hand combat, lifting heavy weights etc. Though climbing sometimes requires explosive strength too.

But getting slowed down by heavy muscles is a myth, it has more to do with general fitness and endurance overall, people who bulk up usually don't care or simply don't have enough time to do endurance exercises. As example, I weigh 210lbs at 6'1'', bench press 290 with dumbbells 6 reps and curl 77lbs per arm 8 reps, I'm quite bulky but I have no troubles with long range cycling (up to 80 miles) and keeping up with endurance-only cyclists.

Modifié par The Woldan , 29 juillet 2011 - 12:00 .

[JamieCOTC]

Yes, I would vote for a more toned femShep w/ some muscular definition, but not a bodybuilder. Something like Rhona Mitra from Doomsday. 

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

http://www.youtube.c...bed/eycDq4NW88o

Modifié par sH0tgUn jUliA, 29 juillet 2011 - 12:06 .

[TheKillerAngel]

Well I was coming up with a Mass Effect character concept, what do you think of this sort of physique?



By thekillerangel at 2011-07-28

Modifié par TheKillerAngel, 29 juillet 2011 - 03:48 .

[Shotokanguy]

It's funny, I'm a big fan of women with athletic bodies, women who have just enough muscle that their bodies just look even more curvy.

But fictional characters? Feels kind of pointless to try to determine how much muscle they need to look right. 

Personally, the only females so far who could use more work IMO are FemShep and Miranda.

FemShep was pretty good based on what we saw of her in the Kasumi dress, though her arms were a little weird...it's like the moved her elbows up so she'd have super long forearms and tiny upper arms. Her legs were NICE though. Those calves. If there's a point where we need to see FemShep's body again, I'd hope for a bit more muscle, to really give the soldier feel, but honestly, the model you see when you put on the dress is pretty close.

Miranda is tricky, since she's supposed to be the perfect woman. You actually can see abs...though I think he skin is so pale in that scene that they're hard to see. Better lighting might make them stand out more if we see them again...otherwise...any muscle we might see on Miranda should just make her look more...graceful...or something. I dunno. Like I said earlier in my post, this is kind of a pointless discussion. It's hard to talk about.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

@TheKillerAngel: I'd add a tiny bit more in the shoulders. I'm going by the women whom I see working heavily with weights at the gym, but not bodybuilding. Shorten the legs just about a shoe height.

[Xeranx]

JamieCOTC wrote...

Yes, I would vote for a more toned femShep w/ some muscular definition, but not a bodybuilder. Something like Rhona Mitra from Doomsday. 

I saw Doomsday in the theater.  I was looking for a good action flick and Rhona looks good to me.  The added bonus of seeing her physique in the scene where she was standing in front of the "misfits" was well worth the price of admission for me.  I remember saying that's exactly what I like to see in a woman who can fight.

[Giant ambush beetle]

[Shotokanguy]

Ah, see, that's another reason to add to my post for why this is a hard discussion - considering the setting...does Shepard NEED muscle mass for her job?

Actually, I think it's not debatable, considering they work in space. They may have gravity on ships most of the time, but you still need to work out to stay strong if you want to work in low or no gravity situations for significant amounts of time. It only makes sense for both Shepards to be reasonably muscular, which I think we all agree only the male is. Just pack a little more on to FemShep, devs.

[Balek-Vriege]

TheKillerAngel wrote...

Well I was coming up with a Mass Effect character concept, what do you think of this sort of physique?

By thekillerangel at 2011-07-28

That's pretty much the physique Shepard has with her Kasumi DLC Dress, which is a good balance.

Much of this argument is made redundant by lore anyways.  All Alliance soldiers are enhanced with biological/genetic therapy, making them all stronger and more agile.

[Eranen]

JamieCOTC wrote...

Yes, I would vote for a more toned femShep w/ some muscular definition, but not a bodybuilder. Something like Rhona Mitra from Doomsday. 

Now that is what I would picture femshep to look like!
Rhona Mitra is hot-stuff (to me at least ), It would have been nice for femshep to be modeled after her. 
But anyways,  since we don't have any screenshots of femshep for ME3 yet maybe we'll be pleasantly surprised.

[Seboist]

Femshep should have a physique like this



or this

[Skirata129]

@seboist. the top one as a cute face, but you just KNOW she's on steroids, and her body... eh, she still manages to remain attractive but arms that big on a girl are vaguely off putting for some reason. same issue with the bottom one.

Modifié par Skirata129, 29 juillet 2011 - 12:44 .

[Mr_DeMille]