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[Had-to-say]

Now that I think about it it would not be good for renegade Shepard to show raw emotion like tears. But it would be in character for him to start breaking equipment in the enviornment out of anger. I think people are looking for Shepared to show a little more of his vulnerable side, both renegades and paragons.

I think there is potential for both the renegade and paragon to show more raw emotion while still staying in character. Does anyone have other ways for the renegade to express his vulnerability. Sometimes people who are dealing with extreme grief take unecessary risks. How that would look in game, I'm not sure.

Take a look at this.

Modifié par Had-to-say, 08 juin 2011 - 11:56 .

[BadgerladDK]

I was left pretty indifferent by that scene... Reminded me of Newt from Aliens, one of the most whiny, redundant filler characters in Hollywood history. Plus I don't much care for children in general.

[Nerevar-as]

Larg_Kellein wrote...

I was left pretty indifferent by that scene... Reminded me of Newt from Aliens, one of the most whiny, redundant filler characters in Hollywood history. Plus I don't much care for children in general.

. I really don´t want to know your opinion of other child characters if you think that of Newt. To me she´s the more decent kid in SF ever.

If it were Dakota Fanning then I would save her to use against the Reapers. She´s usually more scary than the monster/ bad guys of the movies she´s in.

[Obro]

Is there a video of this scene? I must have missed it.

[Village_Idiot]

Obro wrote...

Is there a video of this scene? I must have missed it.

Video here. Cutscene at about the 6:20 mark.

[BadgerladDK]

All Dead wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

Larg_Kellein wrote...

I was left pretty indifferent by that scene... Reminded me of Newt from Aliens, one of the most whiny, redundant filler characters in Hollywood history. Plus I don't much care for children in general.

. I really don´t want to know your opinion of other child characters if you think that of Newt. To me she´s the more decent kid in SF ever.

Yes, really. Newt is one of the very few good movie child characters.

Let me moderate it a bit: For a child character, she wasn't horrible. There just wasn't a need for a child character in the first place. Yes, it serves as a convenient plot device to show Ripley's caring side, but you'd think watching the other adults get torn to pieces or used as incubators would ****** her off enough that "oh noes, think of the children" wouldn't really be needed on top of that.

[Nerevar-as]

Larg_Kellein wrote...


Let me moderate it a bit: For a child character, she wasn't horrible. There just wasn't a need for a child character in the first place. Yes, it serves as a convenient plot device to show Ripley's caring side, but you'd think watching the other adults get torn to pieces or used as incubators would ****** her off enough that "oh noes, think of the children" wouldn't really be needed on top of that.

Your version of Aliens would be a bit shorter, and would end with everybody dead after the lights out assault. Which still would have been more decent deaths than A3 anyway .

I think properly done a child in such a situation conveys both hopelessness and innocence (and its loss), making you care and protective. I don´t think movies usually do it properly, most of the time they are either annoying, or more scary than what threatens them (Shyamalan -sp?- movies for example). Brief as it was, the kid in ME3 worked for me.

Modifié par Nerevar-as, 08 juin 2011 - 12:17 .

[GnusmasTHX]

GodWood wrote...

Only if it's a choice.
My Shepard spontaneously hugging people was bad enough

Yeah. I'm sad ignoring the kid isn't an option.

Also the price for all this is Shepard has terrible back problems. Seriously, how many times can  a guy fall flat on his back and be alright... Not to mention one of those times was from space.

[Flashlegend]

WizenSlinky0 wrote...

I'd only want to kill the kid to see Anderson's reaction.

*pop*

"Shepard, did you just..."

"Let's get out of here."

"I really think we should talk about what you just did"

"We could. Or I could get to the Normandy with one less person."

"Off we go."

bricks were shat LOL

[Mir5]

CannotCompute wrote...

GodWood wrote...

Only if it's a choice.
My Shepard spontaneously hugging people was bad enough

+1

+1

[Had-to-say]

Larg_Kellein wrote...

All Dead wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

Larg_Kellein wrote...

I was left pretty indifferent by that scene... Reminded me of Newt from Aliens, one of the most whiny, redundant filler characters in Hollywood history. Plus I don't much care for children in general.

. I really don´t want to know your opinion of other child characters if you think that of Newt. To me she´s the more decent kid in SF ever.

Yes, really. Newt is one of the very few good movie child characters.

Let me moderate it a bit: For a child character, she wasn't horrible. There just wasn't a need for a child character in the first place. Yes, it serves as a convenient plot device to show Ripley's caring side, but you'd think watching the other adults get torn to pieces or used as incubators would ****** her off enough that "oh noes, think of the children" wouldn't really be needed on top of that.

I agree but it strikes a emotional chord. Kids are sold for sex around the world. Some are sold by their parents. Serial killers even hate people who hurt children. So what does that mean. The thing is children don't know any better they are often victims of cicumstance. Adults who are aware of the dangers should all protect the children. But I agree 100% the same courtesy should be extended to street smart adults.

Scarface on Kids:
This scene is an epic one that is also kinda ironic.

Modifié par Had-to-say, 08 juin 2011 - 12:32 .

[Vengeful Nature]

Am I the only one that doesn't like this? It seems like the devs are trying to smash us on the head repeatadly with the "Shepard is a human!" stick. Plus, I kinda wanna tell Shepard to get on with it. He'll save a lot more people by actually getting the job done and stop dilly-dallying with some strange kid in a vent.

Larg_Kellein wrote...

All Dead wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

Larg_Kellein wrote...

I was left pretty indifferent by that scene... Reminded me of Newt from Aliens, one of the most whiny, redundant filler characters in Hollywood history. Plus I don't much care for children in general.

. I really don´t want to know your opinion of other child characters if you think that of Newt. To me she´s the more decent kid in SF ever.

Yes, really. Newt is one of the very few good movie child characters.

Let me moderate it a bit: For a child character, she wasn't horrible. There just wasn't a need for a child character in the first place. Yes, it serves as a convenient plot device to show Ripley's caring side, but you'd think watching the other adults get torn to pieces or used as incubators would ****** her off enough that "oh noes, think of the children" wouldn't really be needed on top of that.

Cynically: Ripley needed a reason to go back to the reactor and meet the alien queen.

[ReiSilver]

Larg_Kellein wrote...

All Dead wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

Larg_Kellein wrote...

I was left pretty indifferent by that scene... Reminded me of Newt from Aliens, one of the most whiny, redundant filler characters in Hollywood history. Plus I don't much care for children in general.

. I really don´t want to know your opinion of other child characters if you think that of Newt. To me she´s the more decent kid in SF ever.

Yes, really. Newt is one of the very few good movie child characters.

Let me moderate it a bit: For a child character, she wasn't horrible. There just wasn't a need for a child character in the first place. Yes, it serves as a convenient plot device to show Ripley's caring side, but you'd think watching the other adults get torn to pieces or used as incubators would ****** her off enough that "oh noes, think of the children" wouldn't really be needed on top of that.

Not to derail the thread but you may remember in the directors cut Ripley had a sub plot that was all about her being a mother, it starts off when she finds out what happened to her daughter, then Newt becomes a 'new' daughter. Newt, unlike the soldiers, cannot defend herself and needs to be protected, unlike the soldiers who are competent adults. When they first get to the planet the soldiers are looking after Ripley, who isn't being listened to despite her experience so Newt serves as a character who instantly bonds with and respects Ripley. There would also have been no motivation for Ripley to go into the Alien nest at the end and confront the queen without Newt, if a soldier were captured they would likely be willing to take-one-for-the-team rather then put a civilian in danger to rescue them. The one in danger needs to be of emotional significance to Ripley for the sake of drama as well, and seeing how people still aren't comfortable with a woman hero saving a man (see hand-wring in the making of Salt) it couldn't be a love interest, which leaves a child-parent bond the next best emotional hook. (And children are easier to carry)

Back on topic:
I'm almost hoping that kid is some sort of reflection on Shepard, notice that the lines in the video are paragon and the child replies "You can't help me."
That just struck me as something very odd for a child to say, but strikes right at what a paragon fear should be: paragons want to help/save everyone they can, but now the stakes are going to be so high and the situation so dark that they fear they can't.
I hope if I am right that renegade responces may result in something else that equally might shake a renegade Shepard. Maybe that they can't save themselves, or they wont be able to beat the Reapers no matter how ruthless they are?

[Kadzin]

Since the Paragon option is "You can't help me."
Then the Renegade option should be "You can't kill me." and then the child vanishes right in front of Shepard.
That would make for a good brick dropping moment.

[Tripedius]

That scene reminded me of the movie Solaris (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0307479/). So maybe we saw indoctrination in action.

[Neptin]

I thought it was a weird scene. You're not given the option to pull the dumb scared kid out of the vent? Sure, he'd probably just slow you down. But my Shepard wouldn't leave a kid in a vent to die.

[roflchoppaz]

I'm sorry, but I could not resist.

[CroGamer002]

My money is on hallucination.

Modifié par Mesina2, 08 juin 2011 - 12:52 .

[Tripedius]

Or of course the kid could represent the 'good' that is still part of the reapers. Like the kid that was a remant of Arthas.

[Massadonious1]

roflchoppaz wrote...



I'm sorry, but I could not resist.

Turn it in to a Wrex/Shepard joke, and all will be forgiven.

[Il Divo]

Tripedius wrote...

Or of course the kid could represent the 'good' that is still part of the reapers. Like the kid that was a remant of Arthas.

Which kid was this? 

[Tripedius]

Il Divo wrote...

Tripedius wrote...

Or of course the kid could represent the 'good' that is still part of the reapers. Like the kid that was a remant of Arthas.

Which kid was this? 

http://www.wowwiki.com/Matthias_Lehner

[TobyHasEyes]

If you read the preview on oxm.co.uk, then you get some spoiler-ish development on the extent of that child's appearance in the game

[Had-to-say]

The trial of Casey Anthony on live now. Not related to this thread but people are sensitive to child neglect. This trial is getting live coverage as Casey takes the stand. I gotta go it is a must watch. I just want to see this testimony.