Same with the rest of his squad. They've spend so much time around reaper tech and we all know what that sutuff can do to you. So why aren't Shepards allies turing on him and why isn't Shepard suddenly going rogue?
Why isn't Shepard indoctinrated by now?
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Posté 07 juin 2011 - 08:42
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They haven't spent a whole lot of time around Reapers or Reaper tech.
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Posté 07 juin 2011 - 08:42
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My guess is that most of those indoctrinated are soldiers sent to guard the tech or scientists sent to research it. Shepard and crew only approach Reaper tech when they want to destroy it so the effects simply don't have enough time to sink in. Then again Shepard might already be getting indoctrinated (see child theories)
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Posté 07 juin 2011 - 08:44
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Because we know indoctrination to be a slow, subtle process. It doesn't work over the course of an hour.
Not to mention that strong-willed people are harder to indoctrinate. Then we also know that those who are aware of the process (while still in a position to do anything about it) are more resilient.
Not to mention that strong-willed people are harder to indoctrinate. Then we also know that those who are aware of the process (while still in a position to do anything about it) are more resilient.
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Posté 07 juin 2011 - 08:44
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It takes time, days or weeks or even months. It's not a case of BAM you're indoctrinated. Most of the time when Shepard encounters reaper tech he/ she blows it up shortly after. Also “strong willed” plot armour. Indoctrination takes longer depending on the person I think.
Modifié par Manic Sheep, 07 juin 2011 - 08:58 .
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Posté 07 juin 2011 - 08:46
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Just look at how long Saren went without going completely under Sovereigns control.
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Posté 07 juin 2011 - 08:57
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*SPOILER ALERT*
It's not Reaper "Tech" that indoctrinates one, it's the Reapers directly that are responsible. To clarify: a husk, a praetorian, heck even the Collectors themselves, even though infused with Reaper tech/ are reaper tech, do not themselves have the ability to indoctrinate, they are merely controlled by the Reapers. Shepard has only ever been in close proximity to Reapers themselves on 3 occasions, in the citadel in the first game, the dead Reaper, and against the human Reaper. And on each occasion he was not present for very long around them.
It's not Reaper "Tech" that indoctrinates one, it's the Reapers directly that are responsible. To clarify: a husk, a praetorian, heck even the Collectors themselves, even though infused with Reaper tech/ are reaper tech, do not themselves have the ability to indoctrinate, they are merely controlled by the Reapers. Shepard has only ever been in close proximity to Reapers themselves on 3 occasions, in the citadel in the first game, the dead Reaper, and against the human Reaper. And on each occasion he was not present for very long around them.
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Posté 07 juin 2011 - 09:00
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What about dragons teeth?NDJoubert wrote...
It's not Reaper "Tech" that indoctrinates one, it's the Reapers directly that are responsible. To clarify: a husk, a praetorian, heck even the Collectors themselves, even though infused with Reaper tech/ are reaper tech, do not themselves have the ability to indoctrinate, they are merely controlled by the Reapers. Shepard has only ever been in close proximity to Reapers themselves on 3 occasions, in the citadel in the first game, the dead Reaper, and against the human Reaper. And on each occasion he was not present for very long around them.
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Posté 07 juin 2011 - 09:00
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He was two days and two hours on that base.Oblivious wrote...
So Arrival was just for lulz?
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Posté 07 juin 2011 - 09:06
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Manic Sheep wrote...
What about dragons teeth?NDJoubert wrote...
It's not Reaper "Tech" that indoctrinates one, it's the Reapers directly that are responsible. To clarify: a husk, a praetorian, heck even the Collectors themselves, even though infused with Reaper tech/ are reaper tech, do not themselves have the ability to indoctrinate, they are merely controlled by the Reapers. Shepard has only ever been in close proximity to Reapers themselves on 3 occasions, in the citadel in the first game, the dead Reaper, and against the human Reaper. And on each occasion he was not present for very long around them.
They do not indoctrinate. They merely transform the unfortunate people into puppets of the Reapers, mindless husks that are controlled by the reapers. They themselves do not directly indoctrinate.
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Posté 07 juin 2011 - 09:10
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Shepard and most of his squad (but specifically Shepard, he's unlike any soldier in the galaxy) are really strong willed and minded people...plus indoctrination is slow and subtle thing and up close sort of thing.
Shepard himself even with a strong willed mind should be indoctrinated by now though I reckon...kind of confuses me.
Shepard himself even with a strong willed mind should be indoctrinated by now though I reckon...kind of confuses me.
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Posté 07 juin 2011 - 09:10
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Actually I thought of this same problem a while ago and came up with the perfect no-prize solution to it:
The same reason Westley doesn't die to the iocane powder trick in "A Princess Bride" - built up tolerance levels.
In ME1 Shep encounters indoctrinated people, and thus knows what to look out for. He only briefly comes into contact with a reaper a couple of times, AND at masive distances. He also has the Prothean migrain in his brain probably shielding him (or inocculating him a bit) temporarily.
By ME2, he's basically built up a small immunity to indoctrination. As would anyone who was with him on Eden Prime and/or Virmire (in theory).
In ME2, they only come upon the derelict Reaper, and aren't there that long - again, this is a "higher dose" of indoctrination beams than they were used to, but by limiting their exposure (that mission couldn't have taken him and his crew more than a couple of hours of contact) they all built up their immunity a bit without getting indoctrinated.
In the Arrival, again Shep encounters Reaper tech, but not a full Reaper, and therefore a lesser indoctrination dose (but still stronger than he's recieved before) and again, he feels the effects, but he's already built up a bit of a resistance at this point.
By ME3, Shepard might very well be as immune to indoctrination as anyone could be, and his crew would have at least more resistance than most, What with any surviving members having either been in close proximity either on the derelect reaper OR the collector ship.
So basically, I'm using simple biology as a metaphor in the same way it was used in a fantasy film ALSO as a literal truth to explain that Shepard's had his shots.
That's why.
The same reason Westley doesn't die to the iocane powder trick in "A Princess Bride" - built up tolerance levels.
In ME1 Shep encounters indoctrinated people, and thus knows what to look out for. He only briefly comes into contact with a reaper a couple of times, AND at masive distances. He also has the Prothean migrain in his brain probably shielding him (or inocculating him a bit) temporarily.
By ME2, he's basically built up a small immunity to indoctrination. As would anyone who was with him on Eden Prime and/or Virmire (in theory).
In ME2, they only come upon the derelict Reaper, and aren't there that long - again, this is a "higher dose" of indoctrination beams than they were used to, but by limiting their exposure (that mission couldn't have taken him and his crew more than a couple of hours of contact) they all built up their immunity a bit without getting indoctrinated.
In the Arrival, again Shep encounters Reaper tech, but not a full Reaper, and therefore a lesser indoctrination dose (but still stronger than he's recieved before) and again, he feels the effects, but he's already built up a bit of a resistance at this point.
By ME3, Shepard might very well be as immune to indoctrination as anyone could be, and his crew would have at least more resistance than most, What with any surviving members having either been in close proximity either on the derelect reaper OR the collector ship.
So basically, I'm using simple biology as a metaphor in the same way it was used in a fantasy film ALSO as a literal truth to explain that Shepard's had his shots.
That's why.
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Posté 07 juin 2011 - 09:20
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MrGone wrote...
Actually I thought of this same problem a while ago and came up with the perfect no-prize solution to it:
The same reason Westley doesn't die to the iocane powder trick in "A Princess Bride" - built up tolerance levels.
In ME1 Shep encounters indoctrinated people, and thus knows what to look out for. He only briefly comes into contact with a reaper a couple of times, AND at masive distances. He also has the Prothean migrain in his brain probably shielding him (or inocculating him a bit) temporarily.
By ME2, he's basically built up a small immunity to indoctrination. As would anyone who was with him on Eden Prime and/or Virmire (in theory).
In ME2, they only come upon the derelict Reaper, and aren't there that long - again, this is a "higher dose" of indoctrination beams than they were used to, but by limiting their exposure (that mission couldn't have taken him and his crew more than a couple of hours of contact) they all built up their immunity a bit without getting indoctrinated.
In the Arrival, again Shep encounters Reaper tech, but not a full Reaper, and therefore a lesser indoctrination dose (but still stronger than he's recieved before) and again, he feels the effects, but he's already built up a bit of a resistance at this point.
By ME3, Shepard might very well be as immune to indoctrination as anyone could be, and his crew would have at least more resistance than most, What with any surviving members having either been in close proximity either on the derelect reaper OR the collector ship.
So basically, I'm using simple biology as a metaphor in the same way it was used in a fantasy film ALSO as a literal truth to explain that Shepard's had his shots.
That's why.
Hmm... that makes quite a bit of sense. I'm adopting this as canon, at least until told otherwise by Word of God.
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Posté 07 juin 2011 - 09:30
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Shepard has the prothean cipher in his head, died and came back, there's no one like him! People like that have strong nerve system. Or so Morinth said...
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Posté 07 juin 2011 - 09:32
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Because indoctrinated shepard/squad would make for a really predictable and weak plot? Besides, the lore states indoctrination takes a while to take effect, during this time a person needs to be near a reaper or reaper tech. Shepard never spent a great deal of time near reaper technology, apart from arrival but nvm that.
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Posté 07 juin 2011 - 09:35
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ForumPortal wrote...
They were wearing earplugs?
And saying "lalalalalalalalalalalalala"
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Posté 07 juin 2011 - 09:37
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He's a soldier. He got muscle where others got brain. Nothing to indoctrinate.
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Posté 07 juin 2011 - 09:48
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Darnit, you beat me!ForumPortal wrote...
plot armor
That explains it all.
But it is incomplete... without a link.
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Posté 07 juin 2011 - 09:53
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They haven't been around reaper tech all that much. No reason they should be indoctrinated.
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Posté 07 juin 2011 - 09:57
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Shepard was indoctrinated already...
By an anti-Reaper-Reaper when he was child telling him to kill all the other Reapers.
By an anti-Reaper-Reaper when he was child telling him to kill all the other Reapers.
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Posté 07 juin 2011 - 09:58
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www.youtube.com/watchBogsnot1 wrote...
ForumPortal wrote...
They were wearing earplugs?
And saying "lalalalalalalalalalalalala"
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Posté 07 juin 2011 - 10:10
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Simple The exposure to the Prothean Beacon makes him Immune to the indoctrination. Saren was already infected before he used the Beacon. Also you need continuous exposure to be indoctrinated.
