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Maybe they dropped the Prothean character/adventure idea from the DLC plan to include it instead in the vanilla game? I mean, why would you relegate such a relevant character to the trilogy's entire storyline to DLC?


Exactly my thinking.  I'm really starting to believe Bioware didnt "accidently leave it on" the CE packaging.



i like this idea..... Image IPB

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does anyone even know how long a prothean can live for?

I'm not sure, I'll go ask...oh wait, THE REAPERS KILLED THEM ALL!!!

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hey guys, i made a poll Image IPB
http://social.biowar...35/polls/23236/

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Please tell me others think this is an incredibly stupid idea to add an extinct race of FIFTY THOUSAND years to the docket after their only link was a machine that was on it's last leg of energy.

The only explanation would be that Protheans live for 50k years, OR it is genetically created through a Jurassic Park style model. Both of which would be ridiculous in my view.

I can see it now. We are being invaded!

Prothean "Hello, I have been waiting for this day so I can emerge from the shadows and help you"

"Uhhh arent you extinct?"

"No actually, I am unit 626 of the Prothean repopulation program which was created to resurface the exact moment the Reapers arrive again for a better chance of being found and exterminated. Thus I waited for the exact moment of their Arrival to reveal myself for a better chance at being found and murdered. Yes....we Protheans think ahead, dont we?"

Barf....

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medcsu wrote...

Please tell me others think this is an incredibly stupid idea to add an extinct race of FIFTY THOUSAND years to the docket after their only link was a machine that was on it's last leg of energy.

The only explanation would be that Protheans live for 50k years, OR it is genetically created through a Jurassic Park style model. Both of which would be ridiculous in my view.

I can see it now. We are being invaded!

Prothean "Hello, I have been waiting for this day so I can emerge from the shadows and help you"

"Uhhh arent you extinct?"

"No actually, I am unit 626 of the Prothean repopulation program which was created to resurface the exact moment the Reapers arrive again for a better chance of being found and exterminated. Thus I waited for the exact moment of their Arrival to reveal myself for a better chance at being found and murdered. Yes....we Protheans think ahead, dont we?"

Barf....





it could be like preserved or something...... like a frozen cave man

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medcsu wrote...

Please tell me others think this is an incredibly stupid idea to add an extinct race of FIFTY THOUSAND years to the docket after their only link was a machine that was on it's last leg of energy.

The only explanation would be that Protheans live for 50k years, OR it is genetically created through a Jurassic Park style model. Both of which would be ridiculous in my view.

I can see it now. We are being invaded!

Prothean "Hello, I have been waiting for this day so I can emerge from the shadows and help you"

"Uhhh arent you extinct?"

"No actually, I am unit 626 of the Prothean repopulation program which was created to resurface the exact moment the Reapers arrive again for a better chance of being found and exterminated. Thus I waited for the exact moment of their Arrival to reveal myself for a better chance at being found and murdered. Yes....we Protheans think ahead, dont we?"

Barf....





it could be like preserved or something...... like a frozen cave man


You dont think the Reapers would have found the one lone Prothean frozen lab when Vigil said that the Ilos research lab was all that was left?

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Ericander77 wrote...

it could be like preserved or something...... like a frozen cave man


only if they get Brendan Fraser of Encino Man fame to do the voice!

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Weeze the juice!

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hey guys, i made a poll Image IPB
http://social.biowar...35/polls/23236/




Should have made it yes/no instead of yes/no/give me a prothy please,oh please!!!!!!

Now you've split the yes vote making an eventual no more likely.

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its (technically) even.

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If where going to have a Prothean squad mate I demand a Rachni one aswell >_>

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Oh noes....the frozen Prothean decides to come back. Get real....

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 On a side note I believe the person who says "We  need a plan to stop them!" is Captain Kirrahe, or at least another character voiced by the same actor. www.youtube.com/watch

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Foxreaven wrote...

 On a side note I believe the person who says "We  need a plan to stop them!" is Captain Kirrahe, or at least another character voiced by the same actor. www.youtube.com/watch

Seems like many of the voices in the E3 demos were placeholders, I wouldn't bother trying to guess who they are

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this features for me have the necessity to stay in the game base not in a separate dlc, and or for
bonus for a day 1.

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medcsu wrote...

Please tell me others think this is an incredibly stupid idea to add an extinct race of FIFTY THOUSAND years to the docket after their only link was a machine that was on it's last leg of energy.

The only explanation would be that Protheans live for 50k years, OR it is genetically created through a Jurassic Park style model. Both of which would be ridiculous in my view.

I can see it now. We are being invaded!

Prothean "Hello, I have been waiting for this day so I can emerge from the shadows and help you"

"Uhhh arent you extinct?"

"No actually, I am unit 626 of the Prothean repopulation program which was created to resurface the exact moment the Reapers arrive again for a better chance of being found and exterminated. Thus I waited for the exact moment of their Arrival to reveal myself for a better chance at being found and murdered. Yes....we Protheans think ahead, dont we?"

Barf....


The only reason the protheans died on Ilos was because they didn't have enough power to sustain the cryostasis.

The Citadel has enough power to sustain the keepers for thousands of years. Why couldn't a member of the prothean science team have frozen itself there? We know several parts of the Citadel are completely unexplored.

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Inutaisho7996 wrote...

medcsu wrote...

Please tell me others think this is an incredibly stupid idea to add an extinct race of FIFTY THOUSAND years to the docket after their only link was a machine that was on it's last leg of energy.

The only explanation would be that Protheans live for 50k years, OR it is genetically created through a Jurassic Park style model. Both of which would be ridiculous in my view.

I can see it now. We are being invaded!

Prothean "Hello, I have been waiting for this day so I can emerge from the shadows and help you"

"Uhhh arent you extinct?"

"No actually, I am unit 626 of the Prothean repopulation program which was created to resurface the exact moment the Reapers arrive again for a better chance of being found and exterminated. Thus I waited for the exact moment of their Arrival to reveal myself for a better chance at being found and murdered. Yes....we Protheans think ahead, dont we?"

Barf....


The only reason the protheans died on Ilos was because they didn't have enough power to sustain the cryostasis.

The Citadel has enough power to sustain the keepers for thousands of years. Why couldn't a member of the prothean science team have frozen itself there? We know several parts of the Citadel are completely unexplored.


The Citadel is a no go if you are insinuating the Protheans potentially would have been housed there as the Reapers had full control/access to it when they came through. The Keepers, on the other hand, are recreated when they die off or explode from someone coming to close, neither of which is condusive to Protheans so it doesnt work the same way, at all.

Therefore, the only logical conclusion is what I stated earlier. That they either have a Jurassic Park moment (COULD potentially work if it is for the purpose of recreating one to learn about the Reapers, but there is enough to pull this situation off), OR, they simply live for 50k years which is highly unlikely.

Like I said in my original post about this, I would love to learn about the Protheans, but the cons simply outweigh the pros in this situation as it would probably be very cheesy to bring back a 50,000 year old extinct race. Where would they get the DNA? Why would they waste time doing this? Especially when an invasion of the galaxy has begun. The potential of a group like Cerberus recreating one is possible, but still, highly unlikely.

I am torn on the issue as (as I said) it would be cool to learn all about the Protheans, YET, there is such a high propensity for massive chessy-ness with this issue they better treat carefully or we will have another DA2 cheese/lame fest on our hands. Things that are dead need to stay dead if they have been gone 50k years. The risk is too great to bring them back. Besides, there would serve little purpose. I could, of course, be wrong, but I simply dont buy this idea at all.

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medcsu wrote...

Inutaisho7996 wrote...

medcsu wrote...

Please tell me others think this is an incredibly stupid idea to add an extinct race of FIFTY THOUSAND years to the docket after their only link was a machine that was on it's last leg of energy.

The only explanation would be that Protheans live for 50k years, OR it is genetically created through a Jurassic Park style model. Both of which would be ridiculous in my view.

I can see it now. We are being invaded!

Prothean "Hello, I have been waiting for this day so I can emerge from the shadows and help you"

"Uhhh arent you extinct?"

"No actually, I am unit 626 of the Prothean repopulation program which was created to resurface the exact moment the Reapers arrive again for a better chance of being found and exterminated. Thus I waited for the exact moment of their Arrival to reveal myself for a better chance at being found and murdered. Yes....we Protheans think ahead, dont we?"

Barf....


The only reason the protheans died on Ilos was because they didn't have enough power to sustain the cryostasis.

The Citadel has enough power to sustain the keepers for thousands of years. Why couldn't a member of the prothean science team have frozen itself there? We know several parts of the Citadel are completely unexplored.


The Citadel is a no go if you are insinuating the Protheans potentially would have been housed there as the Reapers had full control/access to it when they came through. The Keepers, on the other hand, are recreated when they die off or explode from someone coming to close, neither of which is condusive to Protheans so it doesnt work the same way, at all.


Twelve prothean scientists used the conduit to travel to the Citadel after the reapers left. They are presumed to be dead, but we don't truly know their fate. They obviously had plans to warn other races, so why wouldn't they try to freeze themselves, or at least one one of them, to assist them against the reapers?

What I meant about the keepers was that the Citadel had the power to sustain the life support systems needed for the keepers, not that the Citadel somehow keeps them immortal, and it would do the same thing to a prothean.

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If preserved in ice, or at - 400 K .... Lazarus Project II.

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You guys need to read this if you think a prothean squadmate is impossible.

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Inutaisho7996 wrote...

medcsu wrote...

Inutaisho7996 wrote...

medcsu wrote...

Please tell me others think this is an incredibly stupid idea to add an extinct race of FIFTY THOUSAND years to the docket after their only link was a machine that was on it's last leg of energy.

The only explanation would be that Protheans live for 50k years, OR it is genetically created through a Jurassic Park style model. Both of which would be ridiculous in my view.

I can see it now. We are being invaded!

Prothean "Hello, I have been waiting for this day so I can emerge from the shadows and help you"

"Uhhh arent you extinct?"

"No actually, I am unit 626 of the Prothean repopulation program which was created to resurface the exact moment the Reapers arrive again for a better chance of being found and exterminated. Thus I waited for the exact moment of their Arrival to reveal myself for a better chance at being found and murdered. Yes....we Protheans think ahead, dont we?"

Barf....


The only reason the protheans died on Ilos was because they didn't have enough power to sustain the cryostasis.

The Citadel has enough power to sustain the keepers for thousands of years. Why couldn't a member of the prothean science team have frozen itself there? We know several parts of the Citadel are completely unexplored.


The Citadel is a no go if you are insinuating the Protheans potentially would have been housed there as the Reapers had full control/access to it when they came through. The Keepers, on the other hand, are recreated when they die off or explode from someone coming to close, neither of which is condusive to Protheans so it doesnt work the same way, at all.


Twelve prothean scientists used the conduit to travel to the Citadel after the reapers left. They are presumed to be dead, but we don't truly know their fate. They obviously had plans to warn other races, so why wouldn't they try to freeze themselves, or at least one one of them, to assist them against the reapers?

What I meant about the keepers was that the Citadel had the power to sustain the life support systems needed for the keepers, not that the Citadel somehow keeps them immortal, and it would do the same thing to a prothean.


As Vigil stated. Although hypothesized there was:
1) No resources to live on - No food/water (starvation probable/exposure more probable)
2) The Reapers cleared out the Citadel but for the Keepers. They literally took or destroyed everything. That being said it isn't exactly plausible to think that the one way trip to the middle of desolate space would have yielded any chance to deep freeze an organism for even one year, let alone FIFTY THOUSAND years. If they did, in fact, do this, wouldnt one suspect that the first races to find the Citadel would have discovered the hypo freeze room? This theory is simply far fetched as they had no resources, no food, no water, nothing to build with and were trapped on an empty space station with no way to communicate, or leave. Also, as Vigil states, there was no way to sustain or restart the population.
3) Your final theory on the keepers and them using whatever tech to "freeze" themselves is actually an interesting one and could be plausible because Vigil did in fact state where Saren could be found - the heart of the Citadel. This pretty much proves the Protheans knew the Citadel was much more than appears. However, even if there was some tech left that creates the Keepers (obviously there is), the Protheans used that tech to reprogram them to thwart the next Reaper coming. It would literally have to be a flawlessly implemented story line for any chance of a Prothean being in ME3 and I still think it is entirely in left field. The best and only way this could ever fly is if someone, somehow got a strand of original (not Collector) Prothean DNA (which we already have anyhow) and was able to recreate them. However, recreating a Prothean does not give one the knowledge of what happened so long ago, it only recreates a new body. Too bad we dont have an Animus in ME3.

Anyhow, your final point has potential but I still dont buy this theory and still think there is too much a risk in adding them by some method like freezing, etc. It just seems massively cheesy and even though I would love to know more about the Protheans, I dont think were going to be seeing this, at all.

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@medcsu: It is EXTREMELY unlikely that the living prothean was part of the Ilos team. Check out the thread I linked just above your post for a more reasonable and plausible theory.

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You guys need to read this if you think a prothean squadmate is impossible.


 and that said prothean was part of a secret project (much like the Conduit Project on Ilos) to protect humanity from the Reapers - Christ.....a SECRET project by a Prothean to protect......humanity, eh?

From examining the evidence from Ilos, it is very likely that the protheans knew of the Reapers before the invasion. - Nope. Vigil stated they had no idea and the Reapers come pouring in through the Citadel Relay, killed their leaders and used their census data to find all worlds in the empire. Does that sound like a civilization that knew anything of the Reapers? Sure they may have found clues, but knew of the Reapers...highly doubtful as they were totally unprepared and had no idea about the magnitude of what was about to/and what happened. Further, what evidence shows that they knew anything about them? Example, direct quote?

They started many projects to try and stop them - Like?

They also had a backup plan in case the Reapers attacked before they were ready, which involved building massive cryo-centrals below the project facilities - Where are you getting this from? They were totally blindsided by the Reapers! They had no idea they were even being attacked as all systems were cut off from eachother!

The team on Mars also had the benefit of having ships in their outpost. - And yet a massive, MASSIVE fleet of killer robot ships armed with (basically) all of the Prothean data missed these ships when places Ilos had to go dark just to avoid detection costing them thousands of lives? Yet......the Mars crew was able to cruise around undetected?

they refuelled the helium3 reactors powering their cryo-central roughly every 300-500 years, spending roughly 3-6 months every "cycle" mining new fuel and studying human progress. This way, they have managed to survive up to modern times. - So....this phantom Mars crew decided it was more important to safeguard others under ice, rather than attempt to repopulate their civilization? Makes zero sense....again.

In 2148, humans found the prothean outpost in the middle of their latest cryo cycle. Even though they remained hidden, humanity found their ships, a mass effect core and one of the data caches containing their research on the cro-magnon era. - So they were able to hide both themselves and their ships from being detected (for hundreds of years) from the most destructive force in the galaxy. Yet the recent space flight humans had no issue finding these illusive ships. I guess the Protheans become mentally retarded during the 50,000 years?

Humanity soon spread into the galaxy by discovering the Sol Relay hidden inside Charon, and vaporing the ice layer around the relay to free it. - Which would basically equate to needing either a massive blow dryer, OR something that has the power of a Sun (and heat) to melt a ice layer in the middle of space without destroying a relay. Yet again, makes no sense. If humanity had such tech back in 2148 they would crush the living **** out of the Reapers during the next cycle. The power to melt ice layers in cold space itself? Are you kidding me? That would take massive amount of heat that would run right through a Reaper dreadnaught.

At some point, a man named Keiji Okuda may have come across this information and stored it in his graybox. - Now then this is actually a fun/cool theory.

This trinket, and the act of using it, are plot flags - No. This trinket was the equiv of a zip drive for the Protheans which contained information to be accessed on their equiv of a computer. Wasnt a trinket or anything mystical, at all, it was simply a research finding when they studied CM mankind.

Maybe this is the prothean, in stasis? Sure looks like something is floating in fetal position inside the orb. Hard to say at this point, but I thought it was noteworthy enough to mention. - Looks like some 8 year old kid added some lego art to a picture. The picture, while a good find, shows nothing other than a very, very unfinished design of something in statis like Liara was in ME1.


01/10/2011 - Scientists on Mars Assess New Chamber in Prothean Ruins
“Controversy brews tonight as scientists on Mars assess the contents of a newly opened chamber in the Prothean ruins. The opening has been a dream of exoarchaeologists for decades, delayed by the many steps necessary to replicate Prothean code keys and crack the cryptography for entry. Critics say the Milky Way Foundation, which provided supercomputers for the cryptanalysis, could hoard any Prothean discoveries. Dr. Unira T'Lam, liaison from the Citadel Committee on Paleotechnology, says she's been kept in the dark. "Foundation personnel have orchestrated a security system that keeps out everyone except a select cabal," she accuses. "Anything could be taken from inside and we'd never know." Dr. Ilsa Warren, who heads the analysis unit, dismisses the allegation. "We've made it clear all technology stays in situ throughout the cataloging and analysis process, which could take years," she says. "Dr. T'Lam's fears would be more appropriate closer to the end of the decade."”

Now then, this is very good evidence that something may/may not be up. There is certainly a Prothean find on Mars and it is certainly big news. While I agree fully that this will directly impact ME3, I still dont see any connection to any protheans being alive. We have had Prothean DNA keys from before this find. Remember EDI comparing the collector code key to the Protheans? We have had the DNA code for awhile, it would appear (Cerberus does, at least, AND Cerberus has the ability to bring people back from the dead - therefore they would be a solid choice for your to look).

Anyhow, you have decent imagination and it is obvious you are very interested in the Protheans which is cool. I hope you get what you want out of ME3 and they divulge more information about them, I just wouldnt get my hopes up as I dont see it happening other than messages left by them, etc.

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As Vigil stated. Although hypothesized there was:
1) No resources to live on - No food/water (starvation probable/exposure more probable)
2) The Reapers cleared out the Citadel but for the Keepers. They literally took or destroyed everything. That being said it isn't exactly plausible to think that the one way trip to the middle of desolate space would have yielded any chance to deep freeze an organism for even one year, let alone FIFTY THOUSAND years. If they did, in fact, do this, wouldnt one suspect that the first races to find the Citadel would have discovered the hypo freeze room? This theory is simply far fetched as they had no resources, no food, no water, nothing to build with and were trapped on an empty space station with no way to communicate, or leave. Also, as Vigil states, there was no way to sustain or restart the population.
3) Your final theory on the keepers and them using whatever tech to "freeze" themselves is actually an interesting one and could be plausible because Vigil did in fact state where Saren could be found - the heart of the Citadel. This pretty much proves the Protheans knew the Citadel was much more than appears. However, even if there was some tech left that creates the Keepers (obviously there is), the Protheans used that tech to reprogram them to thwart the next Reaper coming. It would literally have to be a flawlessly implemented story line for any chance of a Prothean being in ME3 and I still think it is entirely in left field. The best and only way this could ever fly is if someone, somehow got a strand of original (not Collector) Prothean DNA (which we already have anyhow) and was able to recreate them. However, recreating a Prothean does not give one the knowledge of what happened so long ago, it only recreates a new body. Too bad we dont have an Animus in ME3.

Anyhow, your final point has potential but I still dont buy this theory and still think there is too much a risk in adding them by some method like freezing, etc. It just seems massively cheesy and even though I would love to know more about the Protheans, I dont think were going to be seeing this, at all.



They could have scavenged parts from the Citadel to make the cryo-pods

No one's ever found the Citadel's main control unit or where the keepers come from. Is it so hard to believe there are other things the Citadel races don't even know about, let alone haven't found?

I never suggested that the keepers could have been frozen. I said that the Citadel obviously has had the power to keep enough of an atmosphere for them to breath, keep them nourished (or charged if they're kept alive by machines), and the gravity to keep them on the floor.

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Inutaisho7996 wrote...

medcsu wrote...

As Vigil stated. Although hypothesized there was:
1) No resources to live on - No food/water (starvation probable/exposure more probable)
2) The Reapers cleared out the Citadel but for the Keepers. They literally took or destroyed everything. That being said it isn't exactly plausible to think that the one way trip to the middle of desolate space would have yielded any chance to deep freeze an organism for even one year, let alone FIFTY THOUSAND years. If they did, in fact, do this, wouldnt one suspect that the first races to find the Citadel would have discovered the hypo freeze room? This theory is simply far fetched as they had no resources, no food, no water, nothing to build with and were trapped on an empty space station with no way to communicate, or leave. Also, as Vigil states, there was no way to sustain or restart the population.
3) Your final theory on the keepers and them using whatever tech to "freeze" themselves is actually an interesting one and could be plausible because Vigil did in fact state where Saren could be found - the heart of the Citadel. This pretty much proves the Protheans knew the Citadel was much more than appears. However, even if there was some tech left that creates the Keepers (obviously there is), the Protheans used that tech to reprogram them to thwart the next Reaper coming. It would literally have to be a flawlessly implemented story line for any chance of a Prothean being in ME3 and I still think it is entirely in left field. The best and only way this could ever fly is if someone, somehow got a strand of original (not Collector) Prothean DNA (which we already have anyhow) and was able to recreate them. However, recreating a Prothean does not give one the knowledge of what happened so long ago, it only recreates a new body. Too bad we dont have an Animus in ME3.

Anyhow, your final point has potential but I still dont buy this theory and still think there is too much a risk in adding them by some method like freezing, etc. It just seems massively cheesy and even though I would love to know more about the Protheans, I dont think were going to be seeing this, at all.



They could have scavenged parts from the Citadel to make the cryo-pods

No one's ever found the Citadel's main control unit or where the keepers come from. Is it so hard to believe there are other things the Citadel races don't even know about, let alone haven't found?

I never suggested that the keepers could have been frozen. I said that the Citadel obviously has had the power to keep enough of an atmosphere for them to breath, keep them nourished (or charged if they're kept alive by machines), and the gravity to keep them on the floor.


You misunderstand me. Lets say you are right and they salvaged the parts needed to create an extremely high tech mechanism (not a bad idea, COULD actually be possible). How then would they activate it to sustain them for FIFTY THOUSAND years when all one would find on the Citadel would be parts (if anything at all). No food = no life, no water = no life, no energy = no life, also have to remember that the Protheans that jumped to the Citadel were probably on their last leg by the time they got there. They were in cryo for hundreds of years, were low on numbers, their entire culture/entire worlds/entire civilizations were decimated. They probably had one desire and that was revenge and stopping the cycle...which they did their best on.

I really WANT to buy into this theory, but there still is simply no evidence or solid examples of how these creatures d live for so long without any resources, food/water/shelter, possibly energy, etc. If someone presents some solid case, I would love to read it as I too am interested in the Protheans, but currently there have been none of note besides a possible recreations Jurassic Park style.

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