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[sael_feman]

It's a good idea, I would like a Prothean squadmate/ team member. But I think it is unlikely we'll meet one.

There we go.

S'F'

[lovgreno]

I got the feeling that BioWare may be spreading some joke rumours sometimes. Wich is fine by me, I can allow them to have fun on my expense as I don't need to be right all the time.

In any case the more aliens the better judging from previous ME games.

[Zulu_DFA]

Arcian wrote...

01/10/2011 - Scientists on Mars Assess New Chamber in Prothean Ruins
“Controversy brews tonight as scientists on Mars assess the contents of a newly opened chamber in the Prothean ruins. The opening has been a dream of exoarchaeologists for decades, delayed by the many steps necessary to replicate Prothean code keys and crack the cryptography for entry. Critics say the Milky Way Foundation, which provided supercomputers for the cryptanalysis, could hoard any Prothean discoveries. Dr. Unira T'Lam, liaison from the Citadel Committee on Paleotechnology, says she's been kept in the dark. "Foundation personnel have orchestrated a security system that keeps out everyone except a select cabal," she accuses. "Anything could be taken from inside and we'd never know." Dr. Ilsa Warren, who heads the analysis unit, dismisses the allegation. "We've made it clear all technology stays in situ throughout the cataloging and analysis process, which could take years," she says. "Dr. T'Lam's fears would be more appropriate closer to the end of the decade."”

Are you aware that the Milky Way Foundation is a Cerberus front? In other words, whatever was in that room, Cerberus' already gotten it?

Do you remember that the female scientist on Eden Prime was coincidentally a Warren too?

Why is that so hard to get that the site on Mars had been left intact because the Reapers wanted it that way? Because the Humans are a "chosen rase". Just like the Protheans were one round of the cycle back. Protheans were harvested. All of them.

Your "prothy" (even if it exists) isn't going to be a squadmate. But you'll likely get to play a sort of mind-trip-back-in-time level to witness the conversion of the Protheans into Collectors.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 12 août 2011 - 01:25 .

[General User]

The Prothean squad-mate is an idea who shear, undiluted awesomeness alone is enough to put it into ME3.

The fact that there are several valid, solid, in-game rationales that make it not only possible but believable, is just icing on the cake.

Modifié par General User, 12 août 2011 - 04:05 .

[medcsu]

Arcian wrote...


Your "prothy" (even if it exists) isn't going to be a squadmate. But you'll likely get to play a sort of mind-trip-back-in-time level to witness the conversion of the Protheans into Collectors.

Now this is a fantastic idea. Some type of mind link through a conduit. THAT would be very feasible and VERY cool. Doesnt even have to be their transition to collectors, but perhaps a message left through their empire. I would love that idea.

[Inutaisho7996]

medcsu wrote...

Inutaisho7996 wrote...

medcsu wrote...

As Vigil stated. Although hypothesized there was:
1) No resources to live on - No food/water (starvation probable/exposure more probable)
2) The Reapers cleared out the Citadel but for the Keepers. They literally took or destroyed everything. That being said it isn't exactly plausible to think that the one way trip to the middle of desolate space would have yielded any chance to deep freeze an organism for even one year, let alone FIFTY THOUSAND years. If they did, in fact, do this, wouldnt one suspect that the first races to find the Citadel would have discovered the hypo freeze room? This theory is simply far fetched as they had no resources, no food, no water, nothing to build with and were trapped on an empty space station with no way to communicate, or leave. Also, as Vigil states, there was no way to sustain or restart the population.
3) Your final theory on the keepers and them using whatever tech to "freeze" themselves is actually an interesting one and could be plausible because Vigil did in fact state where Saren could be found - the heart of the Citadel. This pretty much proves the Protheans knew the Citadel was much more than appears. However, even if there was some tech left that creates the Keepers (obviously there is), the Protheans used that tech to reprogram them to thwart the next Reaper coming. It would literally have to be a flawlessly implemented story line for any chance of a Prothean being in ME3 and I still think it is entirely in left field. The best and only way this could ever fly is if someone, somehow got a strand of original (not Collector) Prothean DNA (which we already have anyhow) and was able to recreate them. However, recreating a Prothean does not give one the knowledge of what happened so long ago, it only recreates a new body. Too bad we dont have an Animus in ME3.

Anyhow, your final point has potential but I still dont buy this theory and still think there is too much a risk in adding them by some method like freezing, etc. It just seems massively cheesy and even though I would love to know more about the Protheans, I dont think were going to be seeing this, at all.

They could have scavenged parts from the Citadel to make the cryo-pods

No one's ever found the Citadel's main control unit or where the keepers come from. Is it so hard to believe there are other things the Citadel races don't even know about, let alone haven't found?

I never suggested that the keepers could have been frozen. I said that the Citadel obviously has had the power to keep enough of an atmosphere for them to breath, keep them nourished (or charged if they're kept alive by machines), and the gravity to keep them on the floor.

You misunderstand me. Lets say you are right and they salvaged the parts needed to create an extremely high tech mechanism (not a bad idea, COULD actually be possible). How then would they activate it to sustain them for FIFTY THOUSAND years when all one would find on the Citadel would be parts (if anything at all). No food = no life, no water = no life, no energy = no life, also have to remember that the Protheans that jumped to the Citadel were probably on their last leg by the time they got there. They were in cryo for hundreds of years, were low on numbers, their entire culture/entire worlds/entire civilizations were decimated. They probably had one desire and that was revenge and stopping the cycle...which they did their best on.

I really WANT to buy into this theory, but there still is simply no evidence or solid examples of how these creatures d live for so long without any resources, food/water/shelter, possibly energy, etc. If someone presents some solid case, I would love to read it as I too am interested in the Protheans, but currently there have been none of note besides a possible recreations Jurassic Park style.

The whole point of the cryogenic stasis is that they don't need food or water. Their metabolic processes have stopped, and they are essentially dead. When they come out of cryogenic stasis, they come back to life. Also, there were twelve scientists, cannibalism could have sustained one of them long enough to build a stasis machine. Alternatively, they could have planned for this on Ilos and brought some of the equipment from there to speed up the process.

[The Twilight God]

Ryllen Laerth Kriel wrote...

That would be alot of mutation to turn a plant creature into a buglike creature. You are correct though, the Prothean statues on Ilos are significantly different than the appearance of the Collectors in ME 2. I was just making a joke though, so no...I was not expecting a mutated Collector ally to be selling jars of honey with Shepard on the label winking and giving a thumbs up.

When I first saw the collectors I figured they were in biosuits like the aliens in Independence day. They just never looked realistic to me. With the announcement of the Collector's Edition collector armor I leaned even more in that direction. The vestigial "arms" along their sides made them look even more unrealistic as a genuine species.

[nutshell43]

Arcian wrote...

Cephalopods wrote...

A Prothean not being taken by the Alliance and interrogated immediately out of Shepard's reach? No.

In an all out galactic war?! Are you mad? That's the least of their damn concerns.

Yes, because they shipped Teller and Feynman and the rest off to the 302nd airborne division and parachuted them over Germany...


An additional infantryman is worth nothing, the only living Prothean is huge. Even if he was no big wig, his insights on Prothean language, technology, the Empire and the reaper invasion are a prize beyond measure. (remember how little Liara, an expert, knew about that ****)

This is what people said of Legion.

"A geth squadmate? THE MOST RETARDED IDEA EVER. Geth are enemies, not squadmates!"

I didn't.

And there's a lot of Geth still around. If Legion bites the dust it makes no difference.


It might work if there's a whole colony of Protheans running around. It would even be more nonsensical to limit their impact to a tacked on DLC pack. But the rediscovery of the Protheans could be a major plot point, and if you got the DLC one of them decides he hates the reapers so much he wants to kill them with his sword.

[medcsu]

Inutaisho7996 wrote...

medcsu wrote...

Inutaisho7996 wrote...

medcsu wrote...

As Vigil stated. Although hypothesized there was:
1) No resources to live on - No food/water (starvation probable/exposure more probable)
2) The Reapers cleared out the Citadel but for the Keepers. They literally took or destroyed everything. That being said it isn't exactly plausible to think that the one way trip to the middle of desolate space would have yielded any chance to deep freeze an organism for even one year, let alone FIFTY THOUSAND years. If they did, in fact, do this, wouldnt one suspect that the first races to find the Citadel would have discovered the hypo freeze room? This theory is simply far fetched as they had no resources, no food, no water, nothing to build with and were trapped on an empty space station with no way to communicate, or leave. Also, as Vigil states, there was no way to sustain or restart the population.
3) Your final theory on the keepers and them using whatever tech to "freeze" themselves is actually an interesting one and could be plausible because Vigil did in fact state where Saren could be found - the heart of the Citadel. This pretty much proves the Protheans knew the Citadel was much more than appears. However, even if there was some tech left that creates the Keepers (obviously there is), the Protheans used that tech to reprogram them to thwart the next Reaper coming. It would literally have to be a flawlessly implemented story line for any chance of a Prothean being in ME3 and I still think it is entirely in left field. The best and only way this could ever fly is if someone, somehow got a strand of original (not Collector) Prothean DNA (which we already have anyhow) and was able to recreate them. However, recreating a Prothean does not give one the knowledge of what happened so long ago, it only recreates a new body. Too bad we dont have an Animus in ME3.

Anyhow, your final point has potential but I still dont buy this theory and still think there is too much a risk in adding them by some method like freezing, etc. It just seems massively cheesy and even though I would love to know more about the Protheans, I dont think were going to be seeing this, at all.

They could have scavenged parts from the Citadel to make the cryo-pods

No one's ever found the Citadel's main control unit or where the keepers come from. Is it so hard to believe there are other things the Citadel races don't even know about, let alone haven't found?

I never suggested that the keepers could have been frozen. I said that the Citadel obviously has had the power to keep enough of an atmosphere for them to breath, keep them nourished (or charged if they're kept alive by machines), and the gravity to keep them on the floor.

You misunderstand me. Lets say you are right and they salvaged the parts needed to create an extremely high tech mechanism (not a bad idea, COULD actually be possible). How then would they activate it to sustain them for FIFTY THOUSAND years when all one would find on the Citadel would be parts (if anything at all). No food = no life, no water = no life, no energy = no life, also have to remember that the Protheans that jumped to the Citadel were probably on their last leg by the time they got there. They were in cryo for hundreds of years, were low on numbers, their entire culture/entire worlds/entire civilizations were decimated. They probably had one desire and that was revenge and stopping the cycle...which they did their best on.

I really WANT to buy into this theory, but there still is simply no evidence or solid examples of how these creatures d live for so long without any resources, food/water/shelter, possibly energy, etc. If someone presents some solid case, I would love to read it as I too am interested in the Protheans, but currently there have been none of note besides a possible recreations Jurassic Park style.

The whole point of the cryogenic stasis is that they don't need food or water. Their metabolic processes have stopped, and they are essentially dead. When they come out of cryogenic stasis, they come back to life. Also, there were twelve scientists, cannibalism could have sustained one of them long enough to build a stasis machine. Alternatively, they could have planned for this on Ilos and brought some of the equipment from there to speed up the process.

Yes but the caveat is that even if they were able to freeze themselves, they would have little to no way to sustain the energy output needed to survive for 50,000 years. In 200 years, even the highly powerful, high tech'd Vigil had to start letting people die. That was just 200 years, we are talking about 50,000 now with no Vigil to look out for them and a massive amount of time needed for survival. Its not feasible.
A better possibility is they used their remaining time to create a final conduit which stored all information they knew on the Reapers and their hypo's on how to defeat them.

[Darbisan]

I'd much rather have Blasto as a squadmate

[Inutaisho7996]

medcsu wrote...

Inutaisho7996 wrote...

medcsu wrote...

As Vigil stated. Although hypothesized there was:
1) No resources to live on - No food/water (starvation probable/exposure more probable)
2) The Reapers cleared out the Citadel but for the Keepers. They literally took or destroyed everything. That being said it isn't exactly plausible to think that the one way trip to the middle of desolate space would have yielded any chance to deep freeze an organism for even one year, let alone FIFTY THOUSAND years. If they did, in fact, do this, wouldnt one suspect that the first races to find the Citadel would have discovered the hypo freeze room? This theory is simply far fetched as they had no resources, no food, no water, nothing to build with and were trapped on an empty space station with no way to communicate, or leave. Also, as Vigil states, there was no way to sustain or restart the population.
3) Your final theory on the keepers and them using whatever tech to "freeze" themselves is actually an interesting one and could be plausible because Vigil did in fact state where Saren could be found - the heart of the Citadel. This pretty much proves the Protheans knew the Citadel was much more than appears. However, even if there was some tech left that creates the Keepers (obviously there is), the Protheans used that tech to reprogram them to thwart the next Reaper coming. It would literally have to be a flawlessly implemented story line for any chance of a Prothean being in ME3 and I still think it is entirely in left field. The best and only way this could ever fly is if someone, somehow got a strand of original (not Collector) Prothean DNA (which we already have anyhow) and was able to recreate them. However, recreating a Prothean does not give one the knowledge of what happened so long ago, it only recreates a new body. Too bad we dont have an Animus in ME3.

Anyhow, your final point has potential but I still dont buy this theory and still think there is too much a risk in adding them by some method like freezing, etc. It just seems massively cheesy and even though I would love to know more about the Protheans, I dont think were going to be seeing this, at all.

They could have scavenged parts from the Citadel to make the cryo-pods


The whole point of the cryogenic stasis is that they don't need food or water. Their metabolic processes have stopped, and they are essentially dead. When they come out of cryogenic stasis, they come back to life. Also, there were twelve scientists, cannibalism could have sustained one of them long enough to build a stasis machine. Alternatively, they could have planned for this on Ilos and brought some of the equipment from there to speed up the process.

Yes but the caveat is that even if they were able to freeze themselves, they would have little to no way to sustain the energy output needed to survive for 50,000 years. In 200 years, even the highly powerful, high tech'd Vigil had to start letting people die. That was just 200 years, we are talking about 50,000 now with no Vigil to look out for them and a massive amount of time needed for survival. Its not feasible.
A better possibility is they used their remaining time to create a final conduit which stored all information they knew on the Reapers and their hypo's on how to defeat them.

Vigil kept a lot more than twelve protheans alive unti it's power failure.

My point this whole time is that if the Citadel has the energy to keep the keepers sustained for so long, it must have the energy to power a single stasis pod.

Modifié par Inutaisho7996, 12 août 2011 - 09:37 .

[lovgreno]

I support Prothy the prothean and Rachel the rachni as squadmates.

[medcsu]

Inutaisho7996 wrote...

medcsu wrote...

Inutaisho7996 wrote...

medcsu wrote...

As Vigil stated. Although hypothesized there was:
1) No resources to live on - No food/water (starvation probable/exposure more probable)
2) The Reapers cleared out the Citadel but for the Keepers. They literally took or destroyed everything. That being said it isn't exactly plausible to think that the one way trip to the middle of desolate space would have yielded any chance to deep freeze an organism for even one year, let alone FIFTY THOUSAND years. If they did, in fact, do this, wouldnt one suspect that the first races to find the Citadel would have discovered the hypo freeze room? This theory is simply far fetched as they had no resources, no food, no water, nothing to build with and were trapped on an empty space station with no way to communicate, or leave. Also, as Vigil states, there was no way to sustain or restart the population.
3) Your final theory on the keepers and them using whatever tech to "freeze" themselves is actually an interesting one and could be plausible because Vigil did in fact state where Saren could be found - the heart of the Citadel. This pretty much proves the Protheans knew the Citadel was much more than appears. However, even if there was some tech left that creates the Keepers (obviously there is), the Protheans used that tech to reprogram them to thwart the next Reaper coming. It would literally have to be a flawlessly implemented story line for any chance of a Prothean being in ME3 and I still think it is entirely in left field. The best and only way this could ever fly is if someone, somehow got a strand of original (not Collector) Prothean DNA (which we already have anyhow) and was able to recreate them. However, recreating a Prothean does not give one the knowledge of what happened so long ago, it only recreates a new body. Too bad we dont have an Animus in ME3.

Anyhow, your final point has potential but I still dont buy this theory and still think there is too much a risk in adding them by some method like freezing, etc. It just seems massively cheesy and even though I would love to know more about the Protheans, I dont think were going to be seeing this, at all.

They could have scavenged parts from the Citadel to make the cryo-pods


The whole point of the cryogenic stasis is that they don't need food or water. Their metabolic processes have stopped, and they are essentially dead. When they come out of cryogenic stasis, they come back to life. Also, there were twelve scientists, cannibalism could have sustained one of them long enough to build a stasis machine. Alternatively, they could have planned for this on Ilos and brought some of the equipment from there to speed up the process.

Yes but the caveat is that even if they were able to freeze themselves, they would have little to no way to sustain the energy output needed to survive for 50,000 years. In 200 years, even the highly powerful, high tech'd Vigil had to start letting people die. That was just 200 years, we are talking about 50,000 now with no Vigil to look out for them and a massive amount of time needed for survival. Its not feasible.
A better possibility is they used their remaining time to create a final conduit which stored all information they knew on the Reapers and their hypo's on how to defeat them.

Vigil kept a lot more than twelve protheans alive unti it's power failure.

My point this whole time is that if the Citadel has the energy to keep the keepers sustained for so long, it must have the energy to power a single stasis pod.

I will conceed to that absolutely. However, is Bioware willing to take a chance on this storyline given how much will need to go into it:
1) They made a statis
2) Had enough energy reserves for 50k years

etc etc.

I doubt they will touch it, HOWEVER, as I have said all along, I would be excited to hear what a Prothean has to offer to the invasion. I just think there will be some form of message (via conduit) that helps the modern species plan an attack.

[azerSheppard]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Are you aware that the Milky Way Foundation is a Cerberus front? In other words, whatever was in that room, Cerberus' already gotten it?

Do you remember that the female scientist on Eden Prime was coincidentally a Warren too?

Why is that so hard to get that the site on Mars had been left intact because the Reapers wanted it that way? Because the Humans are a "chosen rase". Just like the Protheans were one round of the cycle back. Protheans were harvested. All of them.

Your "prothy" (even if it exists) isn't going to be a squadmate. But you'll likely get to play a sort of mind-trip-back-in-time level to witness the conversion of the Protheans into Collectors.

You mean like the SC2 jims raynors thingamajing? Would be nice to active the device, do a mission as a Prothean general.

[Inutaisho7996]

medcsu wrote...

Inutaisho7996 wrote...

medcsu wrote...

Yes but the caveat is that even if they were able to freeze themselves, they would have little to no way to sustain the energy output needed to survive for 50,000 years. In 200 years, even the highly powerful, high tech'd Vigil had to start letting people die. That was just 200 years, we are talking about 50,000 now with no Vigil to look out for them and a massive amount of time needed for survival. Its not feasible.
A better possibility is they used their remaining time to create a final conduit which stored all information they knew on the Reapers and their hypo's on how to defeat them.

Vigil kept a lot more than twelve protheans alive unti it's power failure.

My point this whole time is that if the Citadel has the energy to keep the keepers sustained for so long, it must have the energy to power a single stasis pod.

I will conceed to that absolutely. However, is Bioware willing to take a chance on this storyline given how much will need to go into it:
1) They made a statis
2) Had enough energy reserves for 50k years

etc etc.

I doubt they will touch it, HOWEVER, as I have said all along, I would be excited to hear what a Prothean has to offer to the invasion. I just think there will be some form of message (via conduit) that helps the modern species plan an attack.

I don't know if they will or not, I was just arguing the plausibility of it happening. But all that could be explained in a couple conversations. So, as long as the prothean has actual conversations, like Sebastion form Dragon Age 2, as opposed to a few comments outside of its loyalty mission, like Kasumi and Zaeed, it could work.

Modifié par Inutaisho7996, 13 août 2011 - 01:29 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

First, the Reapers cleansed the galaxy. From Ilos it's obvious that while they were thorough, their cleansing was flawed. Why wouldn't the remaining Protheans try to repopulate? Gene pool too small, so perhaps the Reapers figured they didn't need to hunt down every single one. Just enough so that they wouldn't continue.

Now look at Mars. Max temp is 20 C at the equator. Minimum -60 C. The polar regions in particular. It would be like being preserved in dry ice for 50K yrs. I don't think one would pop out of cryo, but perhaps one is found. What's to prevent another Lazarus project? Especially if it were determined from surrounding parts of a site that it was a research area. Hopefully not resuscitating the janitor, but a scientist. I would hope this wouldn't be DLC but part of the game since it could have a major impact on defeating the Reapers.

So for two yrs while Shepard was dead, and fighting the Collectors, our Prothean was being rebuilt just like Shepard was. Shep was just a dessicated corpse. Freeze-dried for all practical purposes.

By the time Shepard is out of his/her trial, and the Reapers attack, our guest is on board the Normandy because they've got to get him/her to safety as well as Shepard. The prothean takes the place of Mordin.

[medcsu]

Makes you wonder why the dingbats on Ilos didnt have an emergency ship. One ship could have solved all the problems.

[Boiny Bunny]

Hathur wrote...

stefanbw wrote...

No it's true, it appeared on the description of the Collector's Edition on the new EA Origin website, but they have now removed that specific line, on the Mass Effect website as well. Guess it was meant to be a surprise. ^^

Actually, nope... Bioware person dropped by in another thread (might have been Chris Priestly I think) and said that was scrapped awhile ago but they forgot to delete the text for it.

Haha, yes, like how he said "Bioware has no plans at this time for a PC version of Mass Effect" about 3 weeks before it was announced, and having had the team working on it for months.

[LilyasAvalon]

Even if they don't go ahead with it, be nice to finally see what the frick' a protheon looks likes.

[LilyasAvalon]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

By the time Shepard is out of his/her trial, and the Reapers attack, our guest is on board the Normandy because they've got to get him/her to safety as well as Shepard. The prothean takes the place of Mordin.

...Suddenly I don't approve of this idea anymore.

...I have to ask, does he sing?

[Zulu_DFA]

azerSheppard wrote...

You mean like the SC2 jims raynors thingamajing?

Yes.

[The Twilight God]

medcsu wrote...

I will conceed to that absolutely. However, is Bioware willing to take a chance on this storyline given how much will need to go into it:
1) They made a statis
2) Had enough energy reserves for 50k years

1. Or brought one with them. Neither option is out of this world.

2. The Citadel has had enough energy for, presumably, millions of years.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

By the time Shepard is out of his/her trial, and the Reapers attack, our guest is on board the Normandy because they've got to get him/her to safety as well as Shepard. The prothean takes the place of Mordin.

...Suddenly I don't approve of this idea anymore.

...I have to ask, does he sing?

The thing is that this would definitely have been a top secret project that the Alliance would have been working on. No one would have told Shepard about it especially with the connection to Cerberus.

If I say he doesn't know Gilbert & Sullivan would that make it okay? Or do you want him to sing? He doesn't speak fast like Mordin, or do you want him to speak fast. Perhaps he knows Shakespeare in the original Prothean dialect. Or do you just like Mordin?