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[csean]

I always considered it a little strange that the skill descriptions for biotics talked about force in newtons. It's been a while since I've taken physics, but wouldn't impulse (also called momentum change) or even energy be more descriptive than force? A simple measure of force means nothing if there is no mention about how long the force is applied. Besides, 1200 Newtons is not really all that much, is it? A 120-kilo human (that's quite a bit heavier than average but entirely possible) can exert more than that just by jumping up and down at sea level. Thoughts?

[Ahglock]

Yeah they effed up on this. I suspect newtons sounds cool and 1200 sounds big so they went with that.

[Black Raptor]

Say you use a biotic push of 1200 N on a target weighing 100kg, then you would accelerate said target at 120m/s^2

The damage done would depend on the force duration. (perhaps we can assume it's how long the target remains blueish after being hit)

It's not entirely wrong, just that energy and impulse would be better.
Again it would depend on how long the force was applied to determine how "much" 1200 N is in terms of combat use.

[Chris Priestly]

Don't be silly. Who meausres things in terms of cookies. That would be silly. Don't be silly. You silly head.

[shnizzler93]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Don't be silly. Who meausres things in terms of cookies. That would be silly. Don't be silly. You silly head.

What flavor? Original fig? Strawberry?

[Parah_Salin]

Maybe let you choose weather you want the measurements for biotics in pounds of force vs. newtons? I find it funny you have an issue with newtons since your already using metric

[csean]

Parah_Salin wrote...

Maybe let you choose weather you want the measurements for biotics in pounds of force vs. newtons? I find it funny you have an issue with newtons since your already using metric

Silly analphabet. Neither newtons nor pounds-force mean anything if one doesn't know how long said force is applied.

shnizzler93 wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Don't be silly. Who meausres things in terms of cookies. That would be silly. Don't be silly. You silly head.



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What flavor? Original fig? Strawberry?

I prefer strawberry myself. But lots of things can be measured in terms of cookies. Mass, Calories, length, volume... You could have a whole cookie unit system if you really wanted to.

Modifié par csean, 07 juin 2011 - 07:04 .

[Ahglock]

Parah_Salin wrote...

Maybe let you choose weather you want the measurements for biotics in pounds of force vs. newtons? I find it funny you have an issue with newtons since your already using metric

I think part of the issue is for things like throw or shockwave.  None of these have a duration of effect it is a instant hit, and a football tackle will hit harder than any of these by like 5 or 6 times.  So how does someone get thrown across the room?  Now you can assume there is some mass negation put itno effect with every power, but it is never described that way under the throw power.  Instead it hits you with the huricane force of an 8 yeaor old running into you.(Given the height of my friends 8 year old it is quite painful, but I don't fly across the room, I may want to curl up into a ball though)

[Black Raptor]

Ahglock wrote...

Parah_Salin wrote...

Maybe let you choose weather you want the measurements for biotics in pounds of force vs. newtons? I find it funny you have an issue with newtons since your already using metric

I think part of the issue is for things like throw or shockwave.  None of these have a duration of effect it is a instant hit, and a football tackle will hit harder than any of these by like 5 or 6 times.  So how does someone get thrown across the room?  Now you can assume there is some mass negation put itno effect with every power, but it is never described that way under the throw power.  Instead it hits you with the huricane force of an 8 yeaor old running into you.(Given the height of my friends 8 year old it is quite painful, but I don't fly across the room, I may want to curl up into a ball though)

They are also on different planets/space stations. 
Gravity isn't the same.

That said, does anyone know if gravity varies (apart from legion's loyalty mission) depending on where you're at?

[trimaecl]

They don't know what they're talking about. They just thought putting a random amount of newtons looked cool.

[Kusy]

Black Raptor wrote...
That said, does anyone know if gravity varies (apart from legion's loyalty mission) depending on where you're at?

In Mass Effect 1 it did, in Mass Effect 2 I think only on that mission.
And about the toppic, who cares? It sounded technicool so it was used. I don't see a need to nitpick.

Modifié par Mr.Kusy, 07 juin 2011 - 07:16 .

[Bearcut]

Newtons are the standard measurement of force for projectiles.

[DoNotIngest]

Obviously they used newtons for biotics because biotics are deadlist sonuva**** powers in space.

[arne1234]

Black Raptor wrote...

Say you use a biotic push of 1200 N on a target weighing 100kg, then you would accelerate said target at 120m/s^2

The damage done would depend on the force duration. (perhaps we can assume it's how long the target remains blueish after being hit)

It's not entirely wrong, just that energy and impulse would be better.
Again it would depend on how long the force was applied to determine how "much" 1200 N is in terms of combat use.

sight this will sound nerdy but a 100 kg body will experience a downwards force (gravity) of 9.81m/s so a 100 kg body will experience a downwards forse of 981 N a second meaning only 219 newton is applied as a lifting force note that on planets with a acceleration above 12m/s (or 1.22G) or the person has a (earth mass of 122 kg) this force would not be able to lift you.

... This will not help the conversation in any way

[arne1234]

I'm sure we're not supposed to take it to seriosly

Nothing goods ever comes out of doing the math behind scifi games

Modifié par arne1234, 07 juin 2011 - 10:24 .

[Bearcut]

arne1234 wrote...

I'm sure we're not supposed to take it to seriosly

Nothing goods ever comes out of doing the math behind scifi games

You are not considering vectors.

[PnXMarcin1PL]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Don't be silly. Who meausres things in terms of cookies. That would be silly. Don't be silly. You silly head.

Haha Chris! I'd buy you any beer u want for that if I've lived in your country!

[Bogsnot1]

It has to be measured in Newtons. Not everyone is familiar with the velocity of a sheep in a vacuum.

[csean]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

It has to be measured in Newtons. Not everyone is familiar with the velocity of a sheep in a vacuum.

Lol? I'm not quite sure what you mean by this post

[Fhaileas]

Elementary... it's a unit of force ergo a force of one newton will accelerate a mass of one kilogram at the rate of one meter per second per second. F = ma

[Darkhour]

csean wrote...

I always considered it a little strange that the skill descriptions for biotics talked about force in newtons. It's been a while since I've taken physics, but wouldn't impulse (also called momentum change) or even energy be more descriptive than force? A simple measure of force means nothing if there is no mention about how long the force is applied. Besides, 1200 Newtons is not really all that much, is it? A 120-kilo human (that's quite a bit heavier than average but entirely possible) can exert more than that just by jumping up and down at sea level. Thoughts?

Why it's in newtons? Only the guys in charge know.

I believe 1200 newtons is about 270 pounds of pressure and it is to read as a 270 pound man falling out of the sky... but horizontally toward the target.  If that is the case it's more than enough to knock down any humanoid and send them flying. 

[Talveton]

Yes, that's how it probably should be understood. On Earth, the force of 1200 Newtons equals dropping a 120 kg object on your head. With Throw, this object can "drop" on you from a horizontal direction. Ouch!

Modifié par Talveton, 08 juin 2011 - 08:31 .

[TelexFerra]

1200 newtons is big when you consider that the biotic powers are also decreasing the mass of the person being hit with that force.