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[FoxHound109]

Oh, boy! I've been avoiding these forums for a long time despite being a Bioware fan for over a decade. But I think my mind has been blown with the endless moaning and complaining about James Vega, and not just in this thread, but in general.

Where do I start?

1. I love how most of the people complaining
about his face are straight guys. I guess straight guys just can't play
Mass Effect without pretty male member squads. "Oh, no, his face is not
sexy enough! How will ever aim my battle riffle properly now? Better put a helmet on him so I can PRETEND he's sexy and keep my aim from faltering. No ******." I mean...really?

2. Not everyone has the same definition of beauty. Not everyone thinks he's ugly or looks like an ape. Some of us think he's attractive because some of us don't like pretty boys like Shepard as much as men with looks that are "rough around the edges."

3. I don't remember anyone complaining endlessly about Miranda's perfect body and her implausible and painful looking catsuit...or Samara's...or Liara's...well, you get the point.

4. I find it annoying that people refuse to give the character a chance because he "looks like a douchebag." I certainly hope this isn't the attitude some of you take in real life, because you'll find yourself very short of worthy friendships if you judge people by what they look rather than their interactions with you.

5. I find it annoying that not so long ago a certain group of Bioware fans were up in arms saying that the 
Dragon Age team shouldn't be wasting resources on same-sex relationships
that could be put to better use. How many people right now are
complaining about Bioware having to waste resources to recreate the look
of James Vega because he's "too COD" instead of putting them to better use, like polishing his
backstory and giving him excellent dialogue so that he can redeem himself like Miranda did? Thought so.

Haseeo wrote...

Sorry can't support this character I see no real reason for him to be even in the game. If your a new player comeing to ME start with ME1 we don't need a character catered to people who doesn't even want to try the other games at all. Not to mention the most generic COD like character ME has ever seen

Because God knows that everyone on the planet has enough disposible income to get a new PC or buy themselves a 360 if all they have a PS3. No, no, don't worry about the $250+ cost people have to pay to get a chance to play the original Mass Effect in case that's true. Truth is that not everyone can afford it and that the addition of a character that doesn't know the world well is pretty standard for most narratives in film, literature, and yes, even games. The point is that rather than being elitist about it, I'm okay with his addition or the addition of any character that helps explain the story better because more people buying, playing, and enjoying Mass Effect is not a bad thing at all. More sales equates to more money, which eventually equates to a bigger budget for Bioware to continue to make spectacular games.

Imagine if with my experience with Bioware games I sat here and said: "people who have never played Neverwinter Nights before are NOT real Bioware fans, so why should Bioware cater to them in Dragon Age and Mass effect? Go back and play every Bioware game to get a feel of how the company is progressing in its design philosophies." Kind of ridiculous.

This is the biggest problem with Bioware fans: they've grown so used to Bioware's extremely personal gaming experiences that they automatically assume that Bioware MUST cater to their needs and their needs only, and that anything that caters to anyone else "will ruin" their gaming experience. "Oh no, they added same-sex relationships, my game is ruined! Oh no, they added a new character to help non-Mass Effect players better understand the world if they're just getting into, how will I go on?" Guess what: many people play or want to play this game and this series and they should be catered to as well. Why is this such a terrible turn of events? It's an off-putting attitude.

If you don't want him asking questions, then you can probably not put him in your party if it bothers you that much. I'm sure he'll still ask things when he's on the Normandy and in forced missions (if Bioware does loyalty again, which I hope they don't), but otherwise you probably don't have to deal with him. I can't flippin' STAND Jacob Taylor as a character. Watching paint dry is more entertaining to me than he is, but I don't care that other people might like him. I'm more than okay with just not putting him in my party and focusing on characters I DO like (like Mordin).

On aother, note, as to whether he'll be the s/s romance option...

I think Vega will most likely be the gay romance option, or at least a gay romance option when you think about it logically:



1. If you want the male/male romance option, it's pretty unfair to make
the player go back and replay the first two games in the event that they
chose Ashley over Kaiden (which some of us did). It doesn't make
logical sense to make a character who could have been dead in the first
story be the male/male option. At least, it doesn't make sense to make
him the ONLY one. I suspect that the ME team is going to pull a Dragon
Age II and make BOTH Kaiden and James male/male romance options.



See in the case of the heterosexual romance options, they could die too, but you knew
from day one that they were available to your Shepard. So if you wanted
to romance Ashley and keep her as your romance option for the rest of
the series, the choices you had to make were obvious. The same doesn't
apply to the m/m romances because nobody knew during the first and
second game that Bioware would add the option to the third game. It would really suck for people looking for to enjoy an s/s romance to get to ME 3 and realize they killed off the only candidate and will have to replay the games again. That would just be bad game design. You can't retroactively punish the players for choices they had no idea about.



2. Kaiden has a backstory, James doesn't. Bioware COULD work Kaiden's
story to make him bisexual (IIRC, he was supposed to be bisexual in the first game, correct?) and do it well. But it's easier to make Vega
the gay option rather than Kaiden because he's a clean slate. There is a
lot of freedom there from a writing perspective.


And those are my two cents...

[roflchoppaz]

That's quite the TOTP...

Good job.

[FoxHound109]

Blegh! The forum formatted my post into weird blocks! D:

[CroGamer002]

@FoxHound109 nicely done.

[kumquats]

@FoxHound109, I approve of your two cents.

[Valo_Soren]

This is in response to someone in another thread about defending vega that got shut down so pay it no mind if you wish: 

Someone said that the look makes them seem like a bad person, and that to insist that its ok because a lot of military kids look that way is insulting, and this was my response....

"But there are a lot of people who look like that, so why is that insulting? I don't see how his looks have any bearing on who he is, looks don't mean a bloody thing about how a person is. That is the problem with America today, and has been a problem with the world for a long time now, people judge people by their looks, not by who they are. I'm sorry but your logic is flawed in that you seem to think its wrong to look like that or to suggest anyone would look like that, there is nothing wrong with looking, like that, or like any way people look. I don't see how it would be insulting at all."

Modifié par Valo_Soren, 18 juillet 2011 - 07:37 .

[FoxHound109]

Thanks guys! =D

[FoxHound109]

Valo_Soren wrote...

But there are a lot of people who look like that, so why is that insulting? I don't see how his looks have any bearing on who he is, looks don't mean a bloody thing about how a person is. That is the problem with America today, and has been a problem with the world for a long time now, people judge people by their looks, not by who they are. I'm sorry but your logic is flawed in that you seem to think its wrong to look like that or to suggest anyone would look like that, there is nothing wrong with looking, like that, or like any way people look. I don't see how it would be insulting at all.

Exactly!

Another thing that gets me: aside from some very, very small exceptions, Bioware is pretty damned good at character development. If it was another developer (like the team behind Gears of War), then I'd be worried...but Bioware has the best writers in the industry this side of Irrational Games. I have faith in them enough to hold my judgment until I see more about Vega.

As for his last name change: he looks Hispanic, so "Vega" is probably the name given because of that. It'd be nice to get a Hispanic character in the series. Kaiden kinda looks like he might be, but I think he's more ethnically ambiguous.

[BiasedParagon]

 I usually try to not use the same squad over and over and use various companions based on the situation. For example, in the first Mass Effect I'd always use Wrex/Ashley and Tali when boarding any space vessels. Tali's a tech expert and logically will be needed on board a ship, especially since she's a Quarian. Wrex and Ashley would've been used as closed quarters squadmembers focusing on shotguns since I don't expect roving fields of grass on a freighter to offer me cover for my sniper rifle or assault rifle. And likely in ME3 I'll be using Vega, Ashley or Kaiden as my Alliance expert whenever we come across an Alliance-related section of the story(Earth)

I can't say I really have a problem with this Vega character. He's armed and he's equipped with decent armor to my knowledge, that's good enough for me to include him in my squad whenever the situation calls for it. It'll also be nice not to have Ashley/Kaiden as my only Alliance squadmate, Kaiden's reminds me too much of Carth from KOTOR and his biotic powers irk me(I don't like biotics much, sue me) while several of my characters have relationships with Ashley that could threaten the mission by either having her betray me for cheating on her with Tali or force me to choose her over another one of my squadmates in case another Vimire takes place. Vega's my scapegoat, the usual grunt I'd like to have with me in combat who I could dispose of without remorse because as a soldier he is expendable. 

Relationship wise, there isn't. I'm keeping him as my scapegoat and expendable wind-up soldier, not my boy-toy. 

[Valo_Soren]

FoxHound109 wrote...

Valo_Soren wrote...

But there are a lot of people who look like that, so why is that insulting? I don't see how his looks have any bearing on who he is, looks don't mean a bloody thing about how a person is. That is the problem with America today, and has been a problem with the world for a long time now, people judge people by their looks, not by who they are. I'm sorry but your logic is flawed in that you seem to think its wrong to look like that or to suggest anyone would look like that, there is nothing wrong with looking, like that, or like any way people look. I don't see how it would be insulting at all.

Exactly!

Another thing that gets me: aside from some very, very small exceptions, Bioware is pretty damned good at character development. If it was another developer (like the team behind Gears of War), then I'd be worried...but Bioware has the best writers in the industry this side of Irrational Games. I have faith in them enough to hold my judgment until I see more about Vega.

As for his last name change: he looks Hispanic, so "Vega" is probably the name given because of that. It'd be nice to get a Hispanic character in the series. Kaiden kinda looks like he might be, but I think he's more ethnically ambiguous.

Exactly, people tend to dislike characters like Kaiden, Ashley, or Jacob, but they do not dislike them because the characters are bland or boring, they dislike them because the writing team does a good job of writing the characters so well that you either love or hate them by who they are. I tend to like all of the ME characters in their own unique ways because they are all so well written.

[CroGamer002]

BiasedParagon wrote...

 I usually try to not use the same squad over and over and use various companions based on the situation.
For example, in the first Mass Effect I'd always use Wrex/Ashley and Tali when boarding any space vessels. Tali's a tech expert and logically will be needed on board a ship, especially since she's a Quarian. Wrex and Ashley would've been used as closed quarters squadmembers focusing on shotguns since I don't expect roving fields of grass on a freighter to offer me cover for my sniper rifle or assault rifle. And likely in ME3 I'll be using Vega, Ashley or Kaiden as my Alliance expert whenever we come across an Alliance-related section of the story(Earth)

I can't say I really have a problem with this Vega character. He's armed and he's equipped with decent armor to my knowledge, that's good enough for me to include him in my squad whenever the situation calls for it. It'll also be nice not to have Ashley/Kaiden as my only Alliance squadmate, Kaiden's reminds me too much of Carth from KOTOR and his biotic powers irk me(I don't like biotics much, sue me) while several of my characters have relationships with Ashley that could threaten the mission by either having her betray me for cheating on her with Tali or force me to choose her over another one of my squadmates in case another Vimire takes place. Vega's my scapegoat, the usual grunt I'd like to have with me in combat who I could dispose of without remorse because as a soldier he is expendable. 

Relationship wise, there isn't. I'm keeping him as my scapegoat and expendable wind-up soldier, not my boy-toy. 

That's harsh.


Besides, EVERYONE is expendable.

Modifié par Mesina2, 18 juillet 2011 - 07:42 .

[Valo_Soren]

BiasedParagon wrote...

 I usually try to not use the same squad over and over and use various companions based on the situation. For example, in the first Mass Effect I'd always use Wrex/Ashley and Tali when boarding any space vessels. Tali's a tech expert and logically will be needed on board a ship, especially since she's a Quarian. Wrex and Ashley would've been used as closed quarters squadmembers focusing on shotguns since I don't expect roving fields of grass on a freighter to offer me cover for my sniper rifle or assault rifle. And likely in ME3 I'll be using Vega, Ashley or Kaiden as my Alliance expert whenever we come across an Alliance-related section of the story(Earth)

I can't say I really have a problem with this Vega character. He's armed and he's equipped with decent armor to my knowledge, that's good enough for me to include him in my squad whenever the situation calls for it. It'll also be nice not to have Ashley/Kaiden as my only Alliance squadmate, Kaiden's reminds me too much of Carth from KOTOR and his biotic powers irk me(I don't like biotics much, sue me) while several of my characters have relationships with Ashley that could threaten the mission by either having her betray me for cheating on her with Tali or force me to choose her over another one of my squadmates in case another Vimire takes place. Vega's my scapegoat, the usual grunt I'd like to have with me in combat who I could dispose of without remorse because as a soldier he is expendable. 

Relationship wise, there isn't. I'm keeping him as my scapegoat and expendable wind-up soldier, not my boy-toy. 

I find it ironic that someone named Biased Paragon is saying something very Renegade Shepard.

[Ryzaki]

Indeed. To stop the Reapers no one should be safe from death. I'd be disappointed if anyone was.

[FoxHound109]

Mesina2 wrote...

That's harsh.


Besides, EVERYONE is expendable.

...except my beloved Mordin! How else will I get my fix of Scientist Salarian and speeches about Turian "fluids" if he croaks? D:

*Places Mordin in protective shield of love!*

[KawaiiKatie]

SGT WHISKERS!!! <3

I LOVE IT! Why does the internet com eup with AMAZING things while I'm asleep? I love this thread.

And I definitely support Sgt Whiskers.

[BiasedParagon]

Mesina2 wrote...

BiasedParagon wrote...

 I usually try to not use the same squad over and over and use various companions based on the situation.
For example, in the first Mass Effect I'd always use Wrex/Ashley and Tali when boarding any space vessels. Tali's a tech expert and logically will be needed on board a ship, especially since she's a Quarian. Wrex and Ashley would've been used as closed quarters squadmembers focusing on shotguns since I don't expect roving fields of grass on a freighter to offer me cover for my sniper rifle or assault rifle. And likely in ME3 I'll be using Vega, Ashley or Kaiden as my Alliance expert whenever we come across an Alliance-related section of the story(Earth)

I can't say I really have a problem with this Vega character. He's armed and he's equipped with decent armor to my knowledge, that's good enough for me to include him in my squad whenever the situation calls for it. It'll also be nice not to have Ashley/Kaiden as my only Alliance squadmate, Kaiden's reminds me too much of Carth from KOTOR and his biotic powers irk me(I don't like biotics much, sue me) while several of my characters have relationships with Ashley that could threaten the mission by either having her betray me for cheating on her with Tali or force me to choose her over another one of my squadmates in case another Vimire takes place. Vega's my scapegoat, the usual grunt I'd like to have with me in combat who I could dispose of without remorse because as a soldier he is expendable. 

Relationship wise, there isn't. I'm keeping him as my scapegoat and expendable wind-up soldier, not my boy-toy. 

That's harsh.


Besides, EVERYONE is expendable.

Yeah, but then you have a list of who'd you like to kill off if it came down to it. Vega's at the top, I expect the same relationship I had with Kaiden as my MShep. Talk to him once or twice, equip him with some decent equipment and use him when nessacary. And with Kaiden dead on Vimire and Vega stepping into Kaiden's shoes as the Alliance Soldier guy it goes without saying he'll probably suffer the same fate as Kaiden if it comes down to it. I'm usually Paragon so I'll try to keep him alive but if needed, I consider him expendable. 

[Valo_Soren]

I PREDICT! Another death choice: Vega or Miranda. I PREDICT! Thane will sacrifice himself at some point in the game. I'm also pretty sure that Mordin will survive. He's old for a Salarian anyway and deserves a death bed.

[CroGamer002]

BiasedParagon wrote...

Yeah, but then you have a list of who'd you like to kill off if it came down to it. Vega's at the top, I expect the same relationship I had with Kaiden as my MShep. Talk to him once or twice, equip him with some decent equipment and use him when nessacary. And with Kaiden dead on Vimire and Vega stepping into Kaiden's shoes as the Alliance Soldier guy it goes without saying he'll probably suffer the same fate as Kaiden if it comes down to it. I'm usually Paragon so I'll try to keep him alive but if needed, I consider him expendable. 

Why just those 2?

Why not Garrus or Liara?

[FoxHound109]

BiasedParagon wrote...

Yeah, but then you have a list of who'd you like to kill off if it came down to it. Vega's at the top, I expect the same relationship I had with Kaiden as my MShep. Talk to him once or twice, equip him with some decent equipment and use him when nessacary. And with Kaiden dead on Vimire and Vega stepping into Kaiden's shoes as the Alliance Soldier guy it goes without saying he'll probably suffer the same fate as Kaiden if it comes down to it. I'm usually Paragon so I'll try to keep him alive but if needed, I consider him expendable. 

Thus far, but remember that for all we know, Vega could be a completely awesome character. Then you'll have to rethink your strategy about who goes and stays. The same thing happened with me and Miranda. After learning about her and watching videos I thought: "she'll be the first one I sacrifice if I have to." Toward the end, it was literally my priority to keep Miranda and Mordin alive, even though I never even romanced Miranda at all.

Modifié par FoxHound109, 18 juillet 2011 - 07:51 .

[kumquats]

The whole Virmire 2.0 is quite boring.
They should do some kind of challanging Bossfight, if you make one mistake during that encounter, one of your Squadmates dies.

Now that would keep me entertained on insanity.

[Valo_Soren]

BiasedParagon wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

BiasedParagon wrote...

 I usually try to not use the same squad over and over and use various companions based on the situation.
For example, in the first Mass Effect I'd always use Wrex/Ashley and Tali when boarding any space vessels. Tali's a tech expert and logically will be needed on board a ship, especially since she's a Quarian. Wrex and Ashley would've been used as closed quarters squadmembers focusing on shotguns since I don't expect roving fields of grass on a freighter to offer me cover for my sniper rifle or assault rifle. And likely in ME3 I'll be using Vega, Ashley or Kaiden as my Alliance expert whenever we come across an Alliance-related section of the story(Earth)

I can't say I really have a problem with this Vega character. He's armed and he's equipped with decent armor to my knowledge, that's good enough for me to include him in my squad whenever the situation calls for it. It'll also be nice not to have Ashley/Kaiden as my only Alliance squadmate, Kaiden's reminds me too much of Carth from KOTOR and his biotic powers irk me(I don't like biotics much, sue me) while several of my characters have relationships with Ashley that could threaten the mission by either having her betray me for cheating on her with Tali or force me to choose her over another one of my squadmates in case another Vimire takes place. Vega's my scapegoat, the usual grunt I'd like to have with me in combat who I could dispose of without remorse because as a soldier he is expendable. 

Relationship wise, there isn't. I'm keeping him as my scapegoat and expendable wind-up soldier, not my boy-toy. 

That's harsh.


Besides, EVERYONE is expendable.

Yeah, but then you have a list of who'd you like to kill off if it came down to it. Vega's at the top, I expect the same relationship I had with Kaiden as my MShep. Talk to him once or twice, equip him with some decent equipment and use him when nessacary. And with Kaiden dead on Vimire and Vega stepping into Kaiden's shoes as the Alliance Soldier guy it goes without saying he'll probably suffer the same fate as Kaiden if it comes down to it. I'm usually Paragon so I'll try to keep him alive but if needed, I consider him expendable. 

I don't even know where to begin here. Just another example of people basing their like for characters or people based on their looks. Kaiden is actually a really cool character, and biotics are fun, out of the 8 shepards i have, two of them are vanguards and one is an adept. Kaiden is nothing like Carth at all from KOTOR, Carth was a go getter, a man of action, Kaiden is more rigid, an alliance soldier through and through, not willing to compromise his principles as he can't accept that you're working with Cerberus in ME 2 (if you didn't save him on virmire, obviously) Carth Onasi is more of a go getter, do what is neccessary to win, and while still honorable, still gives you the benefit of the doubt when he finds out you used to be Darth Revan, while Kaiden can't accept that you're part of Cerberus.

So just because they have the same voice actor, the incredible Ralph Sbarge...doesn't mean you can even remotely say they are anything alike.

[PhatSeeJay]

There has to be more to that component than simple choices. Some situations have to be possible to solve through preparation, upgrades and even skill and time management. Will really suck if all scenarios will boil down to "choose between this one or that one".

[BiasedParagon]

Liara's the new Shadow Broker, killing her would rid me of a source of intelligence. Garrus is an option if it comes
down to it, but he and Tali are my exploration team whenever we come to a place I have no knowledge about. Garrus has a assault rifle and sniper, Tali has her pistol and shotgun. On my list though I'd have to say Garrus is one of the lower numbers since I've had him from the first Mass Effect, same with Tali and Liara. As for building a comradeship with Vega, I do consider that a possibilty since I run my ship military and he is military. I thought the same thing about Kaiden though, look where that ended up(He dead)

[FoxHound109]

Anybody actually HOPING that Vega is the m/m romance option? I kind of am and not because I find him good looking, but because I think it would add an interesting amount of depth to him and his "dudebro" (is that what they call it?) look. Ha, ha!