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[Aurora313]

does anyone get the feeling that Vega'll be the new protagonist if Bioware decides to make a new series?

Look at the pattern. The books follow Anderson, whom is the Mentor of Shepard. The game follows Shepard, whom Vega is assigned to watch - but it isn't a stretch to think that maybe Shepard will act as a mentor to the Lieutenant. If pattern holds, Vega would most likely be the next major protagonist.

[FeralEwok]

Aurora313 wrote...

does anyone get the feeling that Vega'll be the new protagonist if Bioware decides to make a new series?

Look at the pattern. The books follow Anderson, whom is the Mentor of Shepard. The game follows Shepard, whom Vega is assigned to watch - but it isn't a stretch to think that maybe Shepard will act as a mentor to the Lieutenant. If pattern holds, Vega would most likely be the next major protagonist.

Vega is an established character, he has a definative age, personality, sex, and looks.
So far any Bioware game I've played has always the options to make you mold your own protagonist. If they made him the main character for a future installment then a player's choices would be very limited

Modifié par FeralEwok, 18 octobre 2011 - 04:05 .

[Jilinna]

Aurora313 wrote...

does anyone get the feeling that Vega'll be the new protagonist if Bioware decides to make a new series?

Look at the pattern. The books follow Anderson, whom is the Mentor of Shepard. The game follows Shepard, whom Vega is assigned to watch - but it isn't a stretch to think that maybe Shepard will act as a mentor to the Lieutenant. If pattern holds, Vega would most likely be the next major protagonist.

I agree I think Shepard becoming a mentor to the Lieutenant is not a far stretch, as his background suggests he is unfamiliar with the background inner workings of the galaxy and Shepard can definetly show him the ropes.

Though a twitter post by Mac said "He definitely idolized Shepard... Once." I have a feeling he won't be very friendly for the first bit of the game until he gets to know shepard better, or shepard explains their actions. "Once" to me implies, he used to idolize Shep but because of something Shep did he doesn't any longer. I wonder what it was, since their is a lot one can be mad at shepard for if you have no inside information on why shepard did the things he/she did, like joining up with Cerberus, disapearing, killing 300,000 batarians, take your pick.

I can see him being the next major protagonist in the books, maybe playing out the events on Fehl. Which I am dying for more information on!

Don't think they would make him the major protagonist for any future games though unless he has a twin sister or a female counterpart, I could see him being a squadmate of the major protagonist if he survives ME3 though.

Modifié par Jilinna, 18 octobre 2011 - 04:32 .

[CroGamer002]

^Yeah, that.

[Negam]

Jilinna wrote...

Though a twitter post by Mac said "He definitely idolized Shepard... Once." I have a feeling he won't be very friendly for the first bit of the game until he gets to know shepard better, or shepard explains their actions. "Once" to me implies, he used to idolize Shep but because of something Shep did he doesn't any longer. I wonder what it was, since their is a lot one can be mad at shepard for if you have no inside information on why shepard did the things he/she did, like joining up with Cerberus, disapearing, killing 300,000 batarians, take your pick.

This is something that intrigues me. If James no longer idolizes Shepard, why ripping out the TV? Why not remaining indifferent to the news broadcast? Why the violent reaction?

I wonder if Vega stopped idolizing Shepard because of him joining Cerberus.

Modifié par Negam, 18 octobre 2011 - 08:42 .

[MisterJB]

Negam wrote...
This is something that intrigues me. If James no longer idolizes Shepard, why ripping out the TV? Why not remaining indifferent to the news broadcast?

I wonder if Vega stopped idolizing Shepard because of him joining Cerberus.

The Galaxy at large does not know why Shepard destroyed an entire system. It looked like a terrorist attack which becomes plausible since Shepard joined with Cerberus.
So, it's natural for Vega to react violently when the TV reminded him that his hero had turned into a terrorist. It would have been stranger if he had remained calm.

[Negam]

MisterJB wrote...

The Galaxy at large does not know why Shepard destroyed an entire system. It looked like a terrorist attack which becomes plausible since Shepard joined with Cerberus.
So, it's natural for Vega to react violently when the TV reminded him that his hero had turned into a terrorist. It would have been stranger if he had remained calm.

Hmm... that's possible. It's a way to understand James' behavior. But when the krogan tells Vega that he must pay for the TV, he replies: "Take my winnings. That should more than cover it. Keep the extra, as long as I don't have to listen to that bull****."

To me, that sounds more like he refuses to believe Shepard committed a terrorist attack, or that James can't stand hearing Shepard being charged for it, not that he can't stand Shepard being mentioned. Anyway, his reaction implies that he has strong feelings for Shepard, whatever the nature of such feelings.

[CroGamer002]

^Pretty much that.

[MisterJB]

Negam wrote...


Hmm... that's possible. It's a way to understand James' behavior. But when the krogan tells Vega that he must pay for the TV, he replies: "Take my winnings. That should more than cover it. Keep the extra, as long as I don't have to listen to that bull****."

To me, that sounds more like he refuses to believe Shepard committed a terrorist attack, or that James can't stand hearing Shepard being charged for it, not that he can't stand Shepard being mentioned.

It's possible but Mac Walters did say that Vega no longer idolizes Shepard which suggests that he would not care if Shepard is acused or not or would even support the trial.

Modifié par MisterJB, 18 octobre 2011 - 10:02 .

[Negam]

You know what? I suddenly have this reinforced feeling that James does care about Shepard. It´s like when TIM wants Liara to recover Shepard´s corpse and she asks him why he chose her, and he replies: "Nothing beats someone with a personal motive driving them." James may feel disappointed by Shepard and stopped idolizing the Commander. But disappointment never kills love overnight. And Anderson might know/suspect that. And that´s why he chose James to guard Shep. Doesn´t matter if Vega is angry at Shepard because of joining Cerberus/killing 300,000 batarians. Among all those good soldiers the Alliance counts on, why choose Vega if not because Anderson knows that James is still in love with Shepard?

What do you think?

[Aurora313]

Vega is a difficult character to speculate on. All we have is an eight page comic and a few tweeted images. We might learn more once we discover who his voice actor is. If it's a previously known actor, then we can gleam from their past performances and theorise just what kind of.... emotion and personality will be portrayed in his voice.

edit: I believe, the more we learn about his emotional state - how controled he is, how violent he sounds, ect, we'd be able to theorise more on the character himself.

You learn alot from just a voice.

Modifié par Aurora313, 19 octobre 2011 - 12:08 .

[Jilinna]

MisterJB wrote...

Negam wrote...


Hmm... that's possible. It's a way to understand James' behavior. But when the krogan tells Vega that he must pay for the TV, he replies: "Take my winnings. That should more than cover it. Keep the extra, as long as I don't have to listen to that bull****."

To me, that sounds more like he refuses to believe Shepard committed a terrorist attack, or that James can't stand hearing Shepard being charged for it, not that he can't stand Shepard being mentioned.

It's possible but Mac Walters did say that Vega no longer idolizes Shepard which suggests that he would not care if Shepard is acused or not or would even support the trial.

I agree but I think James is more confused and frustrated then anything else, and that is why he stopped caring.

Look at it this way...

Shepard was his idol, the person he aspries to be during duty. Vega finds out his idol died, which I bet strengthened his love for shepard and determination to become like Shepard to honor shepard's sacrifice. Vega then finds out 2 years later from reports and the alliance that (because of his limited knowledge), Shepard has been alive and kicking for 2 year, and is now working for a terorist organization that is the Alliances prime suspect for the missing alliance colonies out in the Traverse.

First thing he would do is go in utter denial and I suspect defend Shepard and deny he/she is alive or would do such a thing. Later he finally finds out the reports are true, Shepard is alive and working for the enemy. Vega then realizes everything he aspired to be was all a lie, Shepard wasn't the idol he thought he/she was. Vega is now angry, like you see in comic, he is confused and cannot understand why shepard would betray the alliance, the facts and his ideal shepard don't add up, and all he is getting is still the same reports feed to him calling Shepard a traitor. Then to add insult to injury, he finds out Shepard kills 300,000 batarians and now he is a loss for words, now the facts seem black and white, but he still can't completely abandon his idol.

That is why he rips the T.V out when he see's the report. That is why he calls the report bull****, he is frustrated and confused and doesn't know what to believe anymore. His heart cannot believe that Shepard, whom he idolized, is a traitor but his head cannot believe otherwise because all the reports just strengthen Shepards guilt.

Modifié par Jilinna, 19 octobre 2011 - 12:12 .

[Negam]

Jilinna wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Negam wrote...


Hmm... that's possible. It's a way to understand James' behavior. But when the krogan tells Vega that he must pay for the TV, he replies: "Take my winnings. That should more than cover it. Keep the extra, as long as I don't have to listen to that bull****."

To me, that sounds more like he refuses to believe Shepard committed a terrorist attack, or that James can't stand hearing Shepard being charged for it, not that he can't stand Shepard being mentioned.

It's possible but Mac Walters did say that Vega no longer idolizes Shepard which suggests that he would not care if Shepard is acused or not or would even support the trial.

I agree but I think James is more confused and frustrated then anything else, and that is why he stopped caring.

Look at it this way...

Shepard was his idol, the person he aspries to be during duty. Vega finds out his idol died, which I bet strengthened his love for shepard and determination to become like Shepard to honor shepard's sacrifice. Vega then finds out 2 years later from reports and the alliance that (because of his limited knowledge), Shepard has been alive and kicking for 2 year, and is now working for a terorist organization that is the Alliances prime suspect for the missing alliance colonies out in the Traverse.

First thing he would do is go in utter denial and I suspect defend Shepard and deny he/she is alive or would do such a thing. Later he finally finds out the reports are true, Shepard is alive and working for the enemy. Vega then realizes everything he aspired to be was all a lie, Shepard wasn't the idol he thought he/she was. Vega is now angry, like you see in comic, he is confused and cannot understand why shepard would betray the alliance, the facts and his ideal shepard don't add up, and all he is getting is still the same reports feed to him calling Shepard a traitor. Then to add insult to injury, he finds out Shepard kills 300,000 batarians and now he is a loss for words, now the facts seem black and white, but he still can't completely abandon his idol.

That is why he rips the T.V out when he see's the report. That is why he calls the report bull****, he is frustrated and confused and doesn't know what to believe anymore. His heart cannot believe that Shepard, whom he idolized, is a traitor but his head cannot believe otherwise because all the reports just strengthen Shepards guilt.

A great exposition about James´ behavior in Conviction.

Now, what do you think about Anderson choosing him to guard Shepard?

Modifié par Negam, 19 octobre 2011 - 04:38 .

[shepskisaac]

Jilinna wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Negam wrote...


Hmm... that's possible. It's a way to understand James' behavior. But when the krogan tells Vega that he must pay for the TV, he replies: "Take my winnings. That should more than cover it. Keep the extra, as long as I don't have to listen to that bull****."

To me, that sounds more like he refuses to believe Shepard committed a terrorist attack, or that James can't stand hearing Shepard being charged for it, not that he can't stand Shepard being mentioned.

It's possible but Mac Walters did say that Vega no longer idolizes Shepard which suggests that he would not care if Shepard is acused or not or would even support the trial.

I agree but I think James is more confused and frustrated then anything else, and that is why he stopped caring.

Look at it this way...

Shepard was his idol, the person he aspries to be during duty. Vega finds out his idol died, which I bet strengthened his love for shepard and determination to become like Shepard to honor shepard's sacrifice. Vega then finds out 2 years later from reports and the alliance that (because of his limited knowledge), Shepard has been alive and kicking for 2 year, and is now working for a terorist organization that is the Alliances prime suspect for the missing alliance colonies out in the Traverse.

First thing he would do is go in utter denial and I suspect defend Shepard and deny he/she is alive or would do such a thing. Later he finally finds out the reports are true, Shepard is alive and working for the enemy. Vega then realizes everything he aspired to be was all a lie, Shepard wasn't the idol he thought he/she was. Vega is now angry, like you see in comic, he is confused and cannot understand why shepard would betray the alliance, the facts and his ideal shepard don't add up, and all he is getting is still the same reports feed to him calling Shepard a traitor. Then to add insult to injury, he finds out Shepard kills 300,000 batarians and now he is a loss for words, now the facts seem black and white, but he still can't completely abandon his idol.

That is why he rips the T.V out when he see's the report. That is why he calls the report bull****, he is frustrated and confused and doesn't know what to believe anymore. His heart cannot believe that Shepard, whom he idolized, is a traitor but his head cannot believe otherwise because all the reports just strengthen Shepards guilt.

Great analysis, omg poor James ;_; Kind of like VS situation here ;_;

[Jilinna]

@Negram & IsaacShep, Thanks! I was about to get to that, but needed to grab a bite to eat, so posted that part first!

@ IsaacShep That is a great way to look at it and I agree! That is almost exactly how I view the VS dilemma and always why I feel bad for the VS and want to roundhound kick my sheps each time I get to horizon, because Shepard could of handled it better <_< Though I still think there was no way that 1st meeting would of gone well, too much emotion and confusion, and that is why I think those email's where needed to talk with a clear head. Which is why I have only 'cheated' on the VS twice, once for Kaidan and once for Ashley, for science and RP purposes.

Negam wrote...
You know what? I suddenly have this reinforced feeling that James does care about Shepard. It´s like when
TIM wants Liara to recover Shepard´s corpse and she asks him why he chose her, and he replies: "Nothing beats someone with a personal motivedriving them." James may feel disappointed by Shepard and stopped idolizing the Commander. But disappointment never kills love overnight. And Anderson might know/suspect that. And that´s why he chose James to guard Shep. Doesn´t matter if Vega is angry at Shepard because of joining Cerberus/killing 300,000 batarians. Among all those good soldiers the Alliance counts on, why choose Vega if not because Andersonknows that James is still in love with Shepard?

What do you think?

Negam wrote...
A great exposition about James´ behavior in Conviction.

Now, what do you think about Anderson choosing him to guard Shepard?

I agree with your previous statment that Anderson still knows Vega is infatuated with Shepard. Which is shown In the comic, Anderson specifically comes for Vega to guard shepard and says "Ive got something for you, something you handn't had before", which I assume he means is a real life mentor, not a cardboard cut out the Alliance used in recruitment ads for 6 months after Shepard died.

Anderson understands Vega is hurt and confused, even more so because of whatever happened on Fehl. Vega has no one and nothing to believe in anymore, as seen when Vega tells Anderson to just "throw me in the goddamned brig and be done with it", that is not someone who values his freedom and life. The Shepard Vega thought he knew and loved from the vids, was not the black and white hero he thought Shepard was, and Anderson knows that.

Vega only knew the Alliances version of Shepard before he died, the model of the 'perfect human'. But Let's face it Shepard has never been the black and white type hero, Shepard always gets the job done, whether paragon or renegade, but most of the time it is morally questionable which doesn't always allow Shepard to be the ideal *Zaeeds voice* "big goddamn hero".

That is why Anderson makes Vega guard the brig where Shepard is. Anderson understands that in order for Vega to stop as Anderson puts it, "pissing his life away in this ****hole", he has to come to terms with his ideal shepard and the real shepard. I think at this point Vega is mentally "in a ****hole" so its not surprising he ended up in Omega.

When Vega sees Shepard  there I saw no hate in his eyes, no anger, he seems almost child like and tired. This is finally his chance to question shepard, it brings back memories of a time when he still Idolized Shepard, he is finally getting the resolution he has searched for all this time.

It was Anderson's intention all along, so Vega could finally move on and accept soceity for what it is, not black and white, but full of grey as well.

Modifié par Jilinna, 19 octobre 2011 - 02:09 .

[Dhiro]

I'm assuming that Vega will stop idolizing Shepard during the game.

[Robuthad]

Bump because everyone has the see the first page awesomeness

[CroGamer002]

Dhiro wrote...

I'm assuming that Vega will stop idolizing Shepard during the game.

Why he during the game?

Biggest resons for him to stop idolizing Shepard because he/she worked with Cerberus, enemy of Alliance, and killing 300,000 people.

Shepard excuse is do to trying to stop the Reapers, that barely anyone belive they exist.

And then in Mass Effect 3 Reapers attack most of the South part of the Galaxy( Alliance, Turian Hierarchy, almost half of Batarian Hegemony).


I think Vega would then find out Shepard ain't some pro-human terrorist psychopath, but just trying to save that galaxy whatever the cost, paragon and renegade.

[Drone223]

Great theory's on how James Vega perspective of Shepard

James Vega see's Shepard as the perfect Alliance soilder, Shepards know's how to get the job done, and Vega wants to be like Shepard the best Alliance soilder , though when he was Fehl what happened there was too much for him and he felt guilty about what happened there, and most likely dishounrably discharged and decieded to punish himself by going to Omega, I could imagine that Vega envy's (sp) how Shepard was able to cope with terrible events like Virmire and Akuze/Torfan as if he wants to be Shepard 2.0

Modifié par Drone223, 19 octobre 2011 - 08:24 .

[Robuthad]

Stops liking Shep because A) He worked with Cerberus
Shep killed 300,000 Batarians and destroyed a solar system.

Or maybe Vega knows Shep cheated on Ash with Miranda but Liara is carrying Kaidens child who was having an affair with Garrus who is secretly the great uncle of Tali??!!!

[Fault Girl]

Jilinna wrote...


I agree with your previous statment that Anderson still knows Vega is infatuated with Shepard. Which is shown In the comic, Anderson specifically comes for Vega to guard shepard and says "Ive got something for you, something you handn't had before", which I assume he means is a real life mentor, not a cardboard cut out the Alliance used in recruitment ads for 6 months after Shepard died.

Anderson understands Vega is hurt and confused, even more so because of whatever happened on Fehl. Vega has no one and nothing to believe in anymore, as seen when Vega tells Anderson to just "throw me in the goddamned brig and be done with it", that is not someone who values his freedom and life. The Shepard Vega thought he knew and loved from the vids, was not the black and white hero he thought Shepard was, and Anderson knows that.

Vega only knew the Alliances version of Shepard before he died, the model of the 'perfect human'. But Let's face it Shepard has never been the black and white type hero, Shepard always gets the job done, whether paragon or renegade, but most of the time it is morally questionable which doesn't always allow Shepard to be the ideal *Zaeeds voice* "big goddamn hero".

That is why Anderson makes Vega guard the brig where Shepard is. Anderson understands that in order for Vega to stop as Anderson puts it, "pissing his life away in this ****hole", he has to come to terms with his ideal shepard and the real shepard. I think at this point Vega is mentally "in a ****hole" so its not surprising he ended up in Omega.

When Vega sees Shepard  there I saw no hate in his eyes, no anger, he seems almost child like and tired. This is finally his chance to question shepard, it brings back memories of a time when he still Idolized Shepard, he is finally getting the resolution he has searched for all this time.

It was Anderson's intention all along, so Vega could finally move on and accept soceity for what it is, not black and white, but full of grey as well.

Perfect! That's how I see Vega, just hope that's the case and not something superficial.

[CroGamer002]

Robuthad wrote...

Stops liking Shep because A) He worked with Cerberus
Shep killed 300,000 Batarians and destroyed a solar system.

Or maybe Vega knows Shep cheated on Ash with Miranda but Liara is carrying Kaidens child who was having an affair with Garrus who is secretly the great uncle of Tali??!!!

That.

[FoxHound109]

Any news?

[mineralica]

Dhiro wrote...

I'm assuming that Vega will stop idolizing Shepard during the game.

Doesn't match with tweet - in this case Mr. Walters would write "He idolizes Shepard... for now" or something like that but less spoilery.

[CroGamer002]

FoxHound109 wrote...

Any news?

Only from Sliverman that we might get character trailers but Liara and Garrus in future.


Personally I don't think we'll hear anything about him at least until VGA.
Bioware is probably waiting for Skyrim hype to cooldown.

Also The Old Republic have the most attention this year, so we might get mass marketing of ME3 3 months prior release.