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[Oblivious]

Slurms McKenzie wrote...

I don't understand why people hate Jack so much. What's so wrong with her, that you want her dead? And don't say it's because she has tattoos and a shaved head! There's nothing wrong with being bald or having sublime tattoos..........

Good Luck and Stay Safe

Reasons why I dislike her? She's disrespectful, a serial killer, selfish, a former cultist, a former and potential pirate, dangerous, insane (if you don't know the definition of insane google it because I won't do it for you), cruel, obnoxious, poses a very real danger, and she also has a foul mouth. In a crew of Krogan teens, assassins, terrorists, mercenaries, thieves, and androids Jack was the only one who really put me off and think twice about letting her get off the ship into a public area. Her loyalty mission did shed more light on her background and help understand her many layers, but that doesn't change the fact she is the Charles Manson of the ME universe and if it weren't for the Illusive Man's recommendation I would have gunned her down where she stood. Even Charles Manson and Winston Moseley (the guy who stabbed and raped Kitty Genovese) has their human sides, but that doesn't excuse their past and future actions.

Just my opinion though

[Images]

Oblivious wrote...

Even Charles Manson and Winston Moseley (the guy who stabbed and raped Kitty Genovese) has their human sides

Yeah I heard their folk duo concert charity work was amazing. Never knew blowing in the wind could be performed with a guy's intestines like that.

On the Jack topic however? Keep her in! She's my main Shep's Pirate Wench with a soft side!

Modifié par Images, 08 juin 2011 - 01:53 .

[Oblivious]

yorkj86 wrote...

Oblivious wrote...

Slurms McKenzie wrote...

I don't understand why people hate Jack so much. What's so wrong with her, that you want her dead? And don't say it's because she has tattoos and a shaved head! There's nothing wrong with being bald or having sublime tattoos..........

Good Luck and Stay Safe

Reasons why I dislike her? She's disrespectful, a serial killer, selfish, a former cultist, a former and potential pirate, dangerous, insane (if you don't know the definition of insane google it because I won't do it for you), cruel, obnoxious, poses a very real danger, and she also has a foul mouth. In a crew of Krogan teens, assassins, terrorists, mercenaries, thieves, and androids Jack was the only one who really put me off and think twice about letting her get off the ship into a public area. Her loyalty mission did shed more light on her background and help understand her many layers, but that doesn't change the fact she is the Charles Manson of the ME universe and if it weren't for the Illusive Man's recommendation I would have gunned her down where she stood. Even Charles Manson and Winston Moseley (the guy who stabbed and raped Kitty Genovese) has their human sides, but that doesn't excuse their past and future actions.

Just my opinion though

On your ship full of murderous mercenaries, dualistic assassins, Lawful Neutral space-monks, and individuals of controversial employ, it's Jack who you single out as being an unacceptable squadmate?

Funny that you should call her "insane," because she's not.  "Insane" means afflicted with any variety of mental disorders.  I'm assuming you're going to go with "psychopath," because that's the tired one everyone likes to throw out in criticism of Jack.  "Psychopaths" are incapable of showing empathy.  If you listened closely on her loyalty mission, she shows concern for the potential suffering of children who would be used in Aresh's revived Teltin project.  That's empathy.

Her loyalty mission should have shed light on your understanding of her character, showing you that her state is the result of conditoning, and survival mechanism.  Everyone has a right to self-defense.  Piracy?  Does that really bother you more than what other characters have done?

Lastly, why are people so afraid of posting about characters in threads dedicated to those characters?  Why the spineless passive-aggressiveness, huh?

Insane as in mentally unstable and insane as in the legal term. Not psychopathic since she is very much capable of feeling empathy, just refuses to respond to it which is very normal.

Grunt kills those who attack him because that is what he was bred to do. Thane kills those who pose as a threat to the Hanar government, much like a soldier does. The only two exceptions are when his wife was murdered and when he agreed to assassinate that asari hoping he would die in the act. Samara operates according to law much like any police officer. Morinth pisses me off too, but she's dead . Mordin thought he was doing the best thing by adjusting the genophage and I agree that he was. I don't know about Miranda but Jacob doesn't seem like the type to do bad things on purpose. Legion, Garrus, and Tali have done absolutely nothing to betray either me or my trust.

That leaves Zaeed, Kasumi, and Jack. Zaeed kills for money, and I don't like him but he doesn't seem the type to shoot everybody who looks at him funny. Kasumi seems to prefer to avoid violence, choosing to sneak rather than kill the man who shot her boyfriend. Jack kills because she enjoys it and she made it obvious that she will kill children when she said it would have been easier to "kill them all" when she stole the ship and when she broke out of the facility. Then she killed her "friends" because she suspected they were gonna betray her.

The ME2 crew kills and fights either for a living or because they believe they are doing the greater good. Jack and Grunt are the only one who kill out of pleasure but I have never seen Grunt so much as threaten somebody without Shepard's direct orders. So yes, in a crew of potentially dangerous people Jack stands out as the one true danger.

I am not hating on the character or her fans, typically I wouldn't even discuss this since I know she has a large fan base who love her despite (or because) of her personality. But the question was posed why people hate her and I responded with my opinion. I will definitely not lower myself down to the level of a troll by going to her fans and telling them they are all wrong and idiots for liking the personality of a videogame character.

[Slurms McKenzie]

@Oblivious

I agree with Yorkj86, you can't single Jack out like that. There are far worse people in the Normady crew. What about Zaeed? He created the Blue Suns, a crime organisation responsible for terroroizing most of the galaxy and innumerable deaths. Plus, he's killed countless people himself (probably far more than Jack, from what he says) and shows no empathy whatsoever for his victims or any remorse for his actions. As far as I'm concerned he is a far worse individual than Jack, who is a product of her upbringing, whereas Zaeed just does it for poops and giggles. Don't forget the Cerberus space fascists Shepard employs in his crew either!

@Images

Hahaha, you make me chuckle, Mr.Images!

Good Luck and Stay Safe

[Oblivious]

@Slurms

I agree Zaeed is a danger and a threat. But he is simply not on the same level as Jack. He created the Blue Suns as a legal, honest PMC to make a living doing what is probably the only thing he knows how to do. He was shot in the face and abandoned because he refused to let the Blue Suns turn into something it was not meant to by adding Batarian pirates, slavers, and terrorists to their ranks. Zaeed fights because that is what he's payed to do, much like any soldier such as Shepard. He's killed many people because he was payed to do that and it is either that or starve, not exactly what I call "poops and giggles."

Jack kills because she enjoys it. She doesn't do it for money, or purpose, or even revenge. She enjoys it and doesn't even hide that fact, even going so far as to imply that she is proud of it. For example: I forgot the guy's name since he isn't important, but during her loyalty mission at the end he shows up and says he wants to restart the project. Shepard says they're gonna blow the place to hell and he says that they should leave him there to die with the ruins. Jack then attacks him and tries to kill him personally, even disobeying a direct order from Shepard (I mean the the "normal" responses not the red or blue ones) to stand down.

Both are evils but which is the lesser evil? The mercenary who kills for a living or the pirate who kills for pleasure?

[Dannyboy9876]

GTFO, OP

[bigSarg]

I would like to see Jack in ME3 only to see her character develop, I didn't really like her until I romanced her then I saw a whole new side of her that really impressed me, I guess it comes down to how well her character is written, if shes the same as she was in ME2 then I doubt I will like it so much, but it they show some character development because of her time on Normandy and interaction with Shep, then I would love to have her as a squadmember.

I agree with Icinix, I was really impressed with her romance scene and the dialogue to get there, it ranks right up there with the Tali scene, those two were the only ones that really looked like a romance scene and not just a sex scene.

[ReallyRue]

Story-wise there are companions that make more sense to return as full squadmates than her, especially if the genophage and quarian/geth conflict are large issues. On a personal level though, it seems to me that she is very loyal to Shepard by the end of ME2 (assuming you do her loyalty quests and talk to her) regardless of being a loner before, because she realises she can trust Shepard. I can see her being loyal enough to return for that reason alone, especially if Cerberus is involved.

Either way, I'd love her to return.

[Captain_Obvious]

I like Jack. She's a complex character, and I for one would like to see her progression from sociopath to something approaching normal. If she's not there, I will probably be a little bummed. I'll get over it, but still, I like her.

[Halfdan The Menace]

I want her to return as my Normandy crew,with hair.

Modifié par ModestmeNTaLmogul, 09 juin 2011 - 05:12 .

[VoidCabbage]

As far as psychopathy goes... Morinth is really the definition of that. She kills without remorse. She feigns normalcy... your conversations with her focus on power and danger (power being a big thing with psychopaths and danger... well a risk taking personality is part of the diagnoses.)

anyway... Enjoying killing people. Its explained that she literally has biological happy response to violence.

I'm fine with her having hair (i like the bald thing, but i understand lots of people don't) just give me the option of remarking how I liked her old style or something... and don't give her full luscious hair... something short and punky.

[Zoo Zero]

I was sooooooo sad when I figured she's not a squad member in 3. She definitely was my favorite character in 2.

Modifié par Zoo Zero, 16 mars 2012 - 11:36 .

[alikilar]

Mike 9987 wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

She was hardly an essential character.

i almost never use her. Also, we already have liara who is already a strong biotic. we dont need jack. 

hmm taking out two huge mechs at once =) liara looses by a long shot u can only compare her to samara

[XRelakX]

Miranda /thread.

You mad?

[Justin2k]

Posting in a year old thread lol

I think Jack was done well. I didn't like her all that much in ME2 but her role in ME3 was surprising and one of the nicest bits.

[RaenImrahl]

This thread was started before the game's release. Now that ME3 is out, this discussion should take place in the Character forum. Feel free to post there.

Locking.