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Davie McG wrote...

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It's a minority of American's that seem to think anything too risqué is evil and adult's shouldn't be allowed to see it.

As for people who argue that children might get a hold of it, as you say it's nothing new, it's not as if people under the age of 18 have never ended up seeing content they're not legally supposed to. I highly doubt that no one under 18 has seen American pie, or Pulp Fiction, or Snatch or any number of 18 rated films. Just because the potential is there for people under the legal age to see that content doesn't mean that content should be toned down or removed.

The only thing the people that make the content should consider when making their film or book or game, is their product. Not kids who sneak into their mum and dad's film stash, or parents too lazy to control the content available to their kids.

The only thing they should be worrying about is the quality of their product, if it so happens there is violence or sex or drug use depicted, then sure whack an 18 rating on there and be done with it. They shouldn't have to think about kids sneaking into their parents dvd cabinet and watching stuff they shouldn't.

They should not specifically tailor an 18 rated product to suit a group of people who shouldn't even be using said product.

If Bioware are making their game more tame because of under agers who aren't even supposed to be playing their game, then they need to get a grip.


Haha yup. They claim it isn't because of Fox News, but I dunno that I buy it haha.

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Someone With Mass wrote...

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Or we could stop putting so much emphasis on the romance and make a game that is actually heavy on the narrative and not so much on the dating simulation.

Relationships are a part of the narrative. It seems some people are obsessed with the sex aspect of it more than the relationship itself though.


Exactly.


Agreed. A romance told well can be better than the climax of the romance itself.


Indeed, when they reach their climax... wait, that came out wrong... when they reach "that" moment, sometimes the romance seems to die with it.

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I've always found it rather 'interesting' that blood, gore, dismemberment, murder and violence in general all have a green light when it comes to censorship yet a naked body causes people to become completly irrational. I'm not sure what that says exactly about us all as human beings other than shame and embarrisment being more terrifying than death but I happen to think the love scene in ME1 was very well done and completly unworthy of the criticism it recieved. I had hoped that the good folks at Bioware had the courage to continue with the vision they had at the begining but it seems, given the overly toned down supposed love scenes of ME2, they did not and I believe they sold themselves short, not only from a perspective of realism or artistic license but from a financial perspective as well.
I certainly hope Bioware and EA take note of this thread because the majority of posts are on target. This game is intended for adults.

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I don't think I believe that either. They haven't provided any reasonable explanation that's made me think "Yeah, fair enough, that makes sense". 

I've considered writing to Bioware, but I don't think it'd make a difference, nor do I feel it's something I should be wasting my time doing.

I think it's going to take a long time before games reach the same level of story telling we see in films books, or even T.V. shows. They don't reflect real life very well. 

This whole topic just reminded me of this. I laughed when I read it but it's sad that it's actually serious.

Modifié par Davie McG, 22 août 2011 - 01:09 .


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pf17456 wrote...

I've always found it rather 'interesting' that blood, gore, dismemberment, murder and violence in general all have a green light when it comes to censorship yet a naked body causes people to become completly irrational. I'm not sure what that says exactly about us all as human beings other than shame and embarrisment being more terrifying than death but I happen to think the love scene in ME1 was very well done and completly unworthy of the criticism it recieved. I had hoped that the good folks at Bioware had the courage to continue with the vision they had at the begining but it seems, given the overly toned down supposed love scenes of ME2, they did not and I believe they sold themselves short, not only from a perspective of realism or artistic license but from a financial perspective as well.
I certainly hope Bioware and EA take note of this thread because the majority of posts are on target. This game is intended for adults.


Exactly, is like that we support death and destruction or we see it as something natural, and the thing that actually is natural, is uncivilized or inmature. Kids, learn to kill but not to make love. In fact, don't try to learn anything about sex, get AIDS, have 30 children, and join the army so we can make more money from your death too. :? Lame culture. I wonder what aliens think of us :lol:

Modifié par mauro2222, 22 août 2011 - 01:25 .


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No way I'm pumped for a fully clothed Shepard and partner holding hands at arms length distance.Though in all seriousness I rather have an ME1, but not a XXX rated porn scene.

Modifié par Foryou, 22 août 2011 - 01:27 .


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Thing is, if you go see ME1 sex, the characters appear made out of flesh. The others appear made out of solid blocks painted of skin color. In ME1, characters move veeeeery realistically. Not even in TW2 (which could be worse, but still...) one achieves this perfection.

So its not about technology. TW2 has better tech than ME1. It's all about colors, lighting and care about the movements being correct. You'll notice that ME1 doesn't try to do things that others do, like kissing deeply (camera fades to black before the mouths touch), hands grabbing each other, wild back and forths, etc. They knew what they couldn't technically do, so they stuck with the best technology could provide. The result was pretty good.

All these newer scenes are designed by people who think they can do more than the tech really allows them to do realistically, and we end up seeing rubber people making rubber sex.



In my opinion, the scene with Triss in The Witcher 2 is superior to the romance scene in ME1.

But that's my personal opinion. I just love the whole idea of the scene. Geralt and Triss are locked up by some elves (humans and elves are in war with each other) and the place were they are locked up so happens to be some sort of sacred garden of love for the elves (or whatever it exactly was). That fact made me giggle, especially when the elves heard Geralt and Triss having sex in their sacred garden, they got pissed. But it seems that even elves are humane enough not to interrupt such a passionate moment between 2 people.
Meanwhile you see Geralt and Triss enjoying each other. However, the whole sex scene clearly shows that it's not just casual sex, but they really love each other.

My favorite part of the scene was the foreplay though. That part had the most passion and emotion in it. The part from 0:00 to 1:30 in the video that I linked. That part just simply "p0wns" the ME1 love scene.

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Foryou wrote...

No way I'm pumped for a fully clothed Shepard and partner holding hands at arms length distance.Though in all seriousness I rather have an ME1, but not a XXX rated porn scene.


Indeed, there is no need to show a penis, a vagina, or boobs, not even an ass. Seeing a naked torso or a back is ok, if they add slight moans (without sound obviously) or gasps it would be even better (like Liara), because you would see them enjoying the act.

Edit: actually... thinking about it, a slight thrusting will work too.

Modifié par mauro2222, 22 août 2011 - 01:34 .


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No. If we show butt then FOX news gets mad and calls the game a sex game. lolol

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No. If we show butt then FOX news gets mad and calls the game a sex game. lolol


Yet that didn't happen with The Witcher 2.

I guess because it isn't an EA game...

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KitePolaris wrote...

No. If we show butt then FOX news gets mad and calls the game a sex game. lolol

If we show skin fox will call it a sex game

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Luc0s wrote...

KitePolaris wrote...

No. If we show butt then FOX news gets mad and calls the game a sex game. lolol


Yet that didn't happen with The Witcher 2.

I guess because it isn't an EA game...


It happened with ME1. Hence the mentioning of it.

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Foryou wrote...

KitePolaris wrote...

No. If we show butt then FOX news gets mad and calls the game a sex game. lolol

If we show skin fox will call it a sex game


pffft if the game comes out they'll call it evil and the game industry as a whole should burn in hell for even thinking of giving us such entertainement.

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KitePolaris wrote...

No. If we show butt then FOX news gets mad and calls the game a sex game. lolol


Actually if Fox News calls it a sex game it will likely sell a few million more copies.

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Rockworm503 wrote...

Foryou wrote...

KitePolaris wrote...

No. If we show butt then FOX news gets mad and calls the game a sex game. lolol

If we show skin fox will call it a sex game


pffft if the game comes out they'll call it evil and the game industry as a whole should burn in hell for even thinking of giving us such entertainement.


And yet, no one will care B)

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I just want to see Kaidan shirtless and some kissing and stuff. Nothing too racy. Also it would be cool to see Garrus in some state of undress for both fan girl reasons and just to see what it looks like.

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KitePolaris wrote...

No. If we show butt then FOX news gets mad and calls the game a sex game. lolol


So they get some free publicity. That's a reason FOR doing it, not against it.
I actually thought the scenes in ME1 were much more tasteful and had more depth than in ME2. But that is just my opinion. In any case it's not a big issue IMO. They usually do a decent job on this either way.

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For those of you who didn't get the privilege of seeing the segment. 

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SpaceinMind wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

Foryou wrote...

KitePolaris wrote...

No. If we show butt then FOX news gets mad and calls the game a sex game. lolol

If we show skin fox will call it a sex game


pffft if the game comes out they'll call it evil and the game industry as a whole should burn in hell for even thinking of giving us such entertainement.


And yet, no one will care B)


People care enough to bring up a news segement that happened years ago.
and Bioware cared enough to take nudity out completely.

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KitePolaris wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

KitePolaris wrote...

No. If we show butt then FOX news gets mad and calls the game a sex game. lolol


Yet that didn't happen with The Witcher 2.

I guess because it isn't an EA game...


It happened with ME1. Hence the mentioning of it.


Ah yes, I already had forgotten than ME1 on the Xbox360 was still from Microsoft, not from EA. :innocent:

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KitePolaris wrote...

For those of you who didn't get the privilege of seeing the segment. 


God damn america!
Why are you gonna f*** it up for all other countrys where people aren't retards!

Edit: Or being brainwashed by Fox!
B)

Modifié par ChanelNo.S3X, 22 août 2011 - 01:48 .


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ChanelNo.S3X wrote...

KitePolaris wrote...

For those of you who didn't get the privilege of seeing the segment. 


God damn america!
Why are you gonna f*** it up for all other countrys where people aren't retards!

:bandit: Don't know if you were trying to be funny but all this is gonna do is start a flamewar,not cool.

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ChanelNo.S3X wrote...

KitePolaris wrote...

For those of you who didn't get the privilege of seeing the segment. 


God damn america!
Why are you gonna f*** it up for all other countrys where people aren't retards!

Edit: Or being brainwashed by Fox!
B)

If you don't like it start pulling your own weight rest-of-the-world and start cranking out some triple A titles that treat sex as a normal human behavior.

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If you don't like it start pulling your own weight rest-of-the-world and start cranking out some triple A titles that treat sex as a normal human behavior.


Way ahead of ya.

The Witcher 2. European game. It has full-blown nudity. And no one seems to care about it. Probably because it' European. We Europeans already have the reputation of perverted weed-smoking hippies to most average Americans, so who cares what those idiots in Europe do, right?


(I'm European myself.)

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Rockworm503 wrote...

SpaceinMind wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

Foryou wrote...

KitePolaris wrote...

No. If we show butt then FOX news gets mad and calls the game a sex game. lolol

If we show skin fox will call it a sex game


pffft if the game comes out they'll call it evil and the game industry as a whole should burn in hell for even thinking of giving us such entertainement.


And yet, no one will care B)


People care enough to bring up a news segement that happened years ago.
and Bioware cared enough to take nudity out completely.


Mass Effect never HAD nudity. And if they were really that concerned about it, they never would have made Jack.