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Cheesy Blue wrote...

Montezuma IV wrote...

ratzerman wrote...

OperatingWookie wrote...

Estelindis wrote...

ME1 treated the intimate scenes very tastefully. I'd like to see more of this in ME3. It's not simply about having more nakedness or being more explicit. If anything, I felt that the nakedness of the lovers in ME1 led to less explicitness because of the careful camera work that was needed to keep things subtle and tasteful. Quite a bit was concealed in spite of the nakedness, and I think that was very sexy.

*hugs Estelindis*

Wookie approves +10

I also approve an additional +20
Less desk punching and streaking mascara in ME3. More tastful showing of skin.

How about desk pounding and tasteful skin showing.....?

That's pretty hardcore.

+1

*Wookie hug*

Wookie approves + cookie

[DoNotIngest]

frylock23 wrote...

It'd be great if they realized that not only does Fox News not buy their games, but the kind of people who watch & believe Fox News don't buy their games either.

*le sigh*

I guess I ought to return all my BioWare games because I apparently didn't buy them ....

Stereotypes.  Gotta luv 'em

At any rate, I agree that there should be a return to something more like the ME1 love scenes.  I'd like something steamy involving a shower or hot spring.  They could use strategic steam to blur the bits and pieces so we could get more suggestion and less dry humping.  I want my Kaidan reuinion to be smokin' and not awkward teen years.

I can't judge you for watching it (tried once, made me sad at state of humanity), but I had that "and" in there. And obviously you don't believe Fox News, if you're on the BSN talking about one of your favourite games, Mass Effect

[mereck7980]

Montezuma IV wrote...

mereck7980 wrote...

As long as it doesn't involve sending naked pictures of your "junk" via this ships messaging system I am game for whatever BW has in mind.

Because that didn't come out of nowhere......

Sorry, I am so tired of hearing people pontificate about "Weinergate" on some of the other forums I frequent I assumed everyone would be as over saturated with this "news" as I am and would get my lame attempt at humor...

[Eshaye]

ratzerman wrote...

OperatingWookie wrote...

Estelindis wrote...

ME1 treated the intimate scenes very tastefully. I'd like to see more of this in ME3. It's not simply about having more nakedness or being more explicit. If anything, I felt that the nakedness of the lovers in ME1 led to less explicitness because of the careful camera work that was needed to keep things subtle and tasteful. Quite a bit was concealed in spite of the nakedness, and I think that was very sexy.

*hugs Estelindis*

Wookie approves +10

I also approve an additional +20
Less desk punching and streaking mascara in ME3. More tastful showing of skin.

Quote Tree!!!  Because I agree.

[Estelindis]

OperatingWookie wrote...

*hugs Estelindis*

Wookie approves +10 ../../../images/forum/emoticons/grin.png

ratzerman wrote...

I also approve an additional +20
Less desk punching and streaking mascara in ME3. More tastful showing of skin.

Thank you both very much. 

When Bioware defend the approach they took with post-ME1 love scenes (I include the Dragon Age games as well as ME2), they seem to go for the angle that it shouldn't matter how much skin is shown - these should be love scenes, not necessarily sex scenes.  The trouble about this is that it's both perfectly correct (can't argue with it) and entirely missing the point (never wanted or tried to argue with it).  I don't think anyone criticising the post-ME1 love scenes is saying that all one needs to do to make them perfect is to make all the participants naked (though, frankly, wearing clothes - and thus dry-humping - does seem preposterous in some of these scenes).  What we love about the climax of ME1's romance is the artistry as well as the sense of deep intimacy that the romance achieves.  Showing characters having sex with their clothes on (as in some post-ME1 scenes) breaks immersion - but in some cases it might just as equally break immersion to leave the camera angles and animations the same and simply make the participants naked, as it might come off as too pornographic - with all the extra (perfectly wholesome, but very intimate) body parts being shown, it might look as if the scene was inserted for the shock value.  We don't want a love scene just for controversy or to show that Bioware can.  We want it to show something special about two people at a certain point in their lives, to show some things that those people are sharing and hint at many, many more.

Modifié par Estelindis, 08 juin 2011 - 12:26 .

[XyleJKH]

didnt someone say that there will be sex in the game?
Mass Effect 2 really didnt have that it just hinted at it
that being said...dont know how I would feel seeing Garrus doing femshep doggy style.

[Halfdan The Menace]

I hope there's a menu that allow player to choose whether to view the adult content or not similiar to the controversial "No Russian" airport massacre in Call Of Duty: Modern Warfare 2.

[frylock23]

And obviously you don't believe Fox News, if you're on the BSN talking about one of your favourite games, Mass Effect

Shows what you know

You have to realize that the prime time line up at Fox is made up of pundits paid to express their opinions.  O'Reilly in particular has some fossilized notions about the Internet, computers, and anything remotely related to them.  He reminds of me of people who carry the notion that cartoons and games are uniquely childish things.

*shrug*  My folks think that way about cartoons, but they raised me to value games, something my entire family has always played together which is why I love ME now.

And so, here I am, a conservative/libertarian who loves BioWare games while watching Fox News.

Takes all kinds.

[DoNotIngest]

Estelindis; Very few people are asking for full-frontal nudity. What they did in ME1 (Showed everything but between the legs and, for women, full-on chest shots), with a unique romance scene for each character, would make most people happy, I think. Although I suppose you can only have so much sideboob; Personally I wouldn't care if it was side-on or full-frontal.

[Estelindis]

DoNotIngest wrote...

Estelindis; Very few people are asking for full-frontal nudity. What they did in ME1 (Showed everything but between the legs and, for women, full-on chest shots), with a unique romance scene for each character, would make most people happy, I think.

That's precisely what I'm saying.  Just making the participants naked doesn't suffice to answer our critique.  Camera angles would need to be changed too, to capture that intimate ME1 feeling.

Modifié par Estelindis, 08 juin 2011 - 12:32 .

[DoNotIngest]

frylock23 wrote...

And obviously you don't believe Fox News, if you're on the BSN talking about one of your favourite games, Mass Effect

Shows what you know

You have to realize that the prime time line up at Fox is made up of pundits paid to express their opinions.  O'Reilly in particular has some fossilized notions about the Internet, computers, and anything remotely related to them.  He reminds of me of people who carry the notion that cartoons and games are uniquely childish things.

*shrug*  My folks think that way about cartoons, but they raised me to value games, something my entire family has always played together which is why I love ME now.

And so, here I am, a conservative/libertarian who loves BioWare games while watching Fox News.

Takes all kinds.

I'm Canadian. "Conservative" gets thrown around occasionally in a bored voice near Election Time. "Libertarian" is only heard when we turn on US programming



Watching Fox for teh lulz is perfectly acceptable

[slimgrin]

ME1 set the standard. TW2 raised it. I'd love to see ME3 return to it's edgy roots and actually show people naked when they f*ck.

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slimgrin wrote...

ME1 set the standard. TW2 raised it. I'd love to see ME3 return to it's edgy roots and actually show people naked when they make love.

Considering the circumstances in the game, they'd better...
in a tasteful way of course

Modifié par OperatingWookie, 08 juin 2011 - 12:42 .

[Red Panda]

Estelindis wrote...

OperatingWookie wrote...

*hugs Estelindis*

Wookie approves +10 ../../../images/forum/emoticons/grin.png

ratzerman wrote...

I also approve an additional +20
Less desk punching and streaking mascara in ME3. More tastful showing of skin.

Thank you both very much. 

When Bioware defend the approach they took with post-ME1 love scenes (I include the Dragon Age games as well as ME2), they seem to go for the angle that it shouldn't matter how much skin is shown - these should be love scenes, not necessarily sex scenes.  The trouble about this is that it's both perfectly correct (can't argue with it) and entirely missing the point (never wanted or tried to argue with it).  I don't think anyone criticising the post-ME1 love scenes is saying that all one needs to do to make them perfect is to make all the participants naked (though, frankly, wearing clothes - and thus dry-humping - does seem preposterous in some of these scenes).  What we love about the climax of ME1's romance is the artistry as well as the sense of deep intimacy that the romance achieves.  Showing characters having sex with their clothes on (as in some post-ME1 scenes) breaks immersion - but in some cases it might just as equally break immersion to leave the camera angles and animations the same and simply make the participants naked, as it might come off as too pornographic - with all the extra (perfectly wholesome, but very intimate) body parts being shown, it might look as if the scene was inserted for the shock value.  We don't want a love scene just for controversy or to show that Bioware can.  We want it to show something special about two people at a certain point in their lives, to show some things that those people are sharing and hint at many, many more.

As long as it goes along with the context of the situation, I definately agree with you.
*wookie hug*

[DoNotIngest]

OperatingWookie wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

ME1 set the standard. TW2 raised it. I'd love to see ME3 return to it's edgy roots and actually show people naked when they make love.

Considering the circumstances in the game, they'd better...
in a tasteful way of course

The end of the Galaxy is no time for clothes! *Shepardflex* *Clothes disintegrate*


Yep. This is the kind of climax we need. Have we found a Con to ME3 nudity yet?...

[Estelindis]

slimgrin wrote...

ME1 set the standard. TW2 raised it. I'd love to see ME3 return to it's edgy roots and actually show people naked when they f*ck.

I do think TW2's scene of Triss and Geralt in the elven ruin was beautiful.  A bit over the top with all the moaning and groaning (in my opinion), but head and shoulders above most other such scenes in pretty much any CRPG.  Don't know about the others, as my Geralt only slept with Triss (I'm such a sucker for monogamy, even when playing a notorious lover of women like Geralt).

Anyway, in terms of desirable features of this scene that I'd like to see in ME3 love scenes, I'd list the following: the scene is part of an ongoing relationship rather than a last hurrah before a possible apocalypse (a cliché that works at times - e.g. ME1 - but which I was glad Bioware got away from in the Dragon Age games); there's a steady rise in "temperature" between the two, slowly but surely (assuming one doesn't break things off via conversation) leading the scene to change into an intimate one; depending on the character, some cheekiness or playfulness, e.g. as when Geralt is still in the middle of undressing and Triss pulls him into the bath; and a sense of the deep passion between the two as they commit fully to each other in that moment (though, again, that would depend on the characters).

OperatingWookie wrote...

As long as it goes along with the context of the situation, I definately agree with you.
*wookie hug*

Absolutely!  Context is essential.  *hugs back*  I mean, not every scene should be alike.  It was a genius move to have two possible consummations for Jack (casual sex vs. deeper relationship), but that wouldn't work with every squadmate (e.g. Kaidan doesn't seem to be one for casual flings at all).  I mean, depending on the character, the scene could have lots of conversation first or all exchange could happen through glances and touching - there could be obstacles to overcome between the participants or no doubt in either of their hearts - the mood could be one of comforting or of celebration - it just goes on.  And, to be fair, in spite of the repetition of the eve of battle theme at the end of ME2, there was an amount of variation between the different characters' love scenes.  That's one aspect of ME2's romantic moments that I hope persists.

Modifié par Estelindis, 08 juin 2011 - 01:06 .

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DoNotIngest wrote...

OperatingWookie wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

ME1 set the standard. TW2 raised it. I'd love to see ME3 return to it's edgy roots and actually show people naked when they make love.

Considering the circumstances in the game, they'd better...
in a tasteful way of course

The end of the Galaxy is no time for clothes! *Shepardflex* *Clothes disintegrate*


Yep. This is the kind of climax we need. Have we found a Con to ME3 nudity yet?...

Hail to the Shep?

[DarkWarSoldier]

Why do you guys care about this stuff? I mean its a video game not a p*****( I don't know if its against the rules to say the word I want to say. So I'll leave it the way it is. Because I don't want to be ban.)

[Estelindis]

Why care? Because romance is part of the roleplaying experience, and many of us think that ME1 handled its key romantic scenes better than subsequent Bioware games in a number of ways.

[Red Panda]

DarkWarSoldier wrote...

Why do you guys care about this stuff? I mean its a video game not a p*****( I don't know if its against the rules to say the word I want to say. So I'll leave it the way it is. Because I don't want to be ban.)

We want it to be a meaningful role-playing experience, not a mindless GoW copy.

Story, not shoot everything!

Modifié par OperatingWookie, 08 juin 2011 - 01:09 .

[DoNotIngest]

OperatingWookie wrote...

DarkWarSoldier wrote...

Why do you guys care about this stuff? I mean its a video game not a p*****( I don't know if its against the rules to say the word I want to say. So I'll leave it the way it is. Because I don't want to be ban.)

We want it to be a meaningful role-playing experience, not a mindless GoW copy.

Story, not shoot everything!

I didn't hear anyone (well, one person...) asking for full-on hardcore porn sex...

[Valcutio]

Sorry, but The Witcher 2 raised the bar. I'm not looking for pornography but I think video games should be on par with R rated movies when it comes to showing intercourse.

Get with the times, Bioware.

[Fidget6]

Valcutio wrote...

Sorry, but The Witcher 2 raised the bar. I'm not looking for pornography but I think video games should be on par with R rated movies when it comes to showing intercourse.

Get with the times, Bioware.

The Witcher scene I saw seemed like it was designed by a horny 13 year old boy. DO NOT WANT. 

Modifié par Fidget6, 08 juin 2011 - 01:41 .

[Fidget6]

ModestmeNTaLmogul wrote...

I hope there's a menu that allow player to choose whether to view the adult content or not similiar to the controversial "No Russian" airport massacre in Call Of Duty: Modern Warfare 2.

Or you could just you know..... not have sex with anyone if you don't want to see sex. :/

[ME-ParaShep]

I have to agree with everyone that wants sex showable in this game. The reasons are as follows:

1) The game is rated M for MATURE. Being mature is considered the age of +17 years. Watching porn is available to those who are +18 years. One year isn't much of a difference. Also, people must follow the definition of the word, "mature". If they can't handle the sex scenes, that's their fault, but who in their right minds above the age of +17 doesn't like or approve of mature sex scenes in mature video games anyways?

2) The ESRB and game stores still uphold the policy that underage people without clearance cannot buy games without parental consent. If the parent feels that their child can handle such graphical scenery, they will buy it and they will have to live with the consequences. Bioware shouldn't have to be responsible for the irresponsibility of customers who aren't aware of the rating. Violence is already in this game, blood is ample, gore is around everywhere, and negatives are everywhere in the Mass Effect universe. It's only natural and acceptable plus a God-given RIGHT for a sci-fi realism game to buffer up it's realism and maturity.

3) An option (like others said) to not show such graphical "gratuity" should be allowed on the settings/options menu. It's a simple way to avoid sex scenes and obscurity.

I'm surprised why no one even considered reasoning with this for ME 2.. Mature and intelligent people should be able to accept sex for what it is. It's in our human nature.