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[Mr. MannlyMan]

KiraTsukasa wrote...

Estelindis wrote...

KiraTsukasa wrote...

Is sex in a video game that important?

You know you're posting on a video game forum, don't you?  In what other context would we discuss sex while remaining on-topic?

Fidget6 wrote...

Yes.

Zjarcal wrote...

When the story of said game involves
romances then yes, it should be an important aspect. Not the most
important one, but an important one nonetheless.

You should all consider getting a boyfriend/girlfriend.

Not really, but I am sick and tired of being treated like an under-18 Christian consumer, as if I still need to be shielded from the horror of seeing two consenting adults getting it on.

Not even "getting it on", really; just something a little more mature and artful than *pushyouonthebed*, *makeout*, *turnofflights*. I'm a 20 yr old man, and I'm getting to the age where I look at games and wonder, "What the hell am I still playing these for?"

I feel like most story-driven games are still being made for the 13-16yr crowd, and I feel alienated by it. And, after ME1's tasteful sex scenes, I've come to expect more. So yeah, I do think they're important in setting Mass Effect ahead of other series.

[slimgrin]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Estelindis wrote...

hoorayforicecream wrote...

I did play Witcher 2, and I thought that the "relationship" between Triss and Geralt was practically nonexistent.

Fair enough.  To a certain extent, I see what you mean - but, while I may have emoted more into some scenes (not described here) than the material warranted, every bit of lead-up I mentioned in my post did actually happen (at the beginning of the game, when Geralt discusses getting his memories back, etc., plus more spoileriffic stuff I didn't mention).  That doesn't mean, however, that I view TW2 as some kind of uber-paragon of videogame romance that never needs to be exceeded.  I said I wanted similar or better. 

One should not have to resort to fanfiction in her head in order to provide an emotional connection between characters. I see that as a huge failing of the Witcher 2, and one of my goals going into the game was to get Triss and Geralt together.

You have misunderstood a lot about how they approch relationships in TW2, which is different than what many Bioware fans clearly want. Triss is actually canon, unlike what we get in Mass effect.

[Estelindis]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

One should not have to resort to fanfiction in her head in order to provide an emotional connection between characters.

Indeed not, but that's a somewhat derogatory term for what I prefer to call role-playing.  It would be head-fanfic if there were no grounds for it at all, but that's not so.  Again, I'm not saying there couldn't have been a better connection between the characters, but I believe it's wrong to say there was none.  You see it in little moments like when Triss mentions someone in the inn in Flotsam proposed to her and Geralt objects, for instance.

Mind you, my objection does come across as painting fanfic in a universally negative light.  In some cases, fanfic gives us stronger connections between characters and better romantic scenes.  If we look at the excellent love scene from ME1, for instance, it only becomes better with the addition of the marvellous detail of intersecting biotic coronas in Sinvraal's Iunctio fanfic.  But in terms of what devs can realistically implement in-game, that would require extra scripting and art resources for the love scene based on Shepard's class.  While I do want mature love scenes that are integrated into Shepard's overall story arc in ME3, at the same time I recognise that Bioware only have a certain amount of zots to dedicate to romance.  Whatever they have should be used for maximum effectiveness.

[Massadonious1]

I disagree with the notion that because it's rated "M" that it needs to be more mature, or at least include all the aspects of a "M" rated game.

Plenty of "R" rated movies do just fine with just cursing and/or violence. Bioware shouldn't have to include full frontal or anything similar if they don't feel the story/romance will be helped along by it.

As much as I love TW2, I feel a lot of the nudity and scenes outside of the ones with Triss were just gratuitous, likely stemming from the same type of complaints/requests that people had with the Tarot cards from TW1.

[slimgrin]

Mr. MannlyMan wrote...

I feel like most story-driven games are still being made for the 13-16yr crowd, and I feel alienated by it. And, after ME1's tasteful sex scenes, I've come to expect more. So yeah, I do think they're important in setting Mass Effect ahead of other series.

Exactly. 

[Ricinator]

Massadonious1 wrote...

I disagree with the notion that because it's rated "M" that it needs to be more mature, or at least include all the aspects of a "M" rated game.

Plenty of "R" rated movies do just fine with just cursing and/or violence. Bioware shouldn't have to include full frontal or anything similar if they don't feel the story/romance will be helped along by it.

As much as I love TW2, I feel a lot of the nudity and scenes outside of the ones with Triss were just gratuitous, likely stemming from the same type of complaints/requests that people had with the Tarot cards from TW1.

how did you think the ME1 romance scene was done good sir?

[Estelindis]

I'd like an answer to that question as well.

Also, "mature" doesn't have to be a byword for smexy. It can just mean mature. I, for one, hope that ME3 is an extremely mature game, regardless of its level of sexual and/or violent content. In other words, it should deal with all issues it raises in a mature fashion (with the obvious exception of any humour that is intended to be immature, for comic relief).

[SLooPPy JOE]

Massadonious1 wrote...

I disagree with the notion that because it's rated "M" that it needs to be more mature, or at least include all the aspects of a "M" rated game.

Plenty of "R" rated movies do just fine with just cursing and/or violence. Bioware shouldn't have to include full frontal or anything similar if they don't feel the story/romance will be helped along by it.

As much as I love TW2, I feel a lot of the nudity and scenes outside of the ones with Triss were just gratuitous, likely stemming from the same type of complaints/requests that people had with the Tarot cards from TW1.

But remember here that not everyone is going to be subjected to nudity. In a rated "R" movie everyone has to see every scene, while with a Mass Effect romance the only people who are watching are those who sought it out. If you don't want to see Shephard gettin' it on with some sexy squadmates then don't talk to the opposite sex

[Estelindis]

SLooPPy JOE wrote...
 If you don't want to see Shephard gettin' it on with some sexy squadmates then don't talk to the opposite sex 

I really hope you said this as a joke.    There should be well-developed friendship paths with NPCs of the opposite sex if Shepard doesn't choose to romance them.  One shouldn't have to avoid them in order to avoid romance.

[Computer_God91]

SLooPPy JOE wrote...

Massadonious1 wrote...

I disagree with the notion that because it's rated "M" that it needs to be more mature, or at least include all the aspects of a "M" rated game.

Plenty of "R" rated movies do just fine with just cursing and/or violence. Bioware shouldn't have to include full frontal or anything similar if they don't feel the story/romance will be helped along by it.

As much as I love TW2, I feel a lot of the nudity and scenes outside of the ones with Triss were just gratuitous, likely stemming from the same type of complaints/requests that people had with the Tarot cards from TW1.

But remember here that not everyone is going to be subjected to nudity. In a rated "R" movie everyone has to see every scene, while with a Mass Effect romance the only people who are watching are those who sought it out. If you don't want to see Shephard gettin' it on with some sexy squadmates then don't talk to the opposite sex

Funny how the Same sex romances supporters used the same arguement and got what they wanted.

[Ricinator]

I think anyone who had a problem with ME1 Romance scene is way over dramatic and immature to experience anything over T games and PG - 13 movies.... so if its tastefully done and it resembles any type of dramas on the t.v. bioware shouldn't care what anyone says and the should do it that way. If they don't feel like the moments in the story fit that way they can take it in another direction. But if they do another censored game they are robbing us of that quality content that all of us ME fans crave.

[theelementslayer]

Whats with the video game sex, all you need is before and after, you dont need to see the actual sex. If you want that go outside, find a date

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

Why do so many people care about sex so much?  Love > lust.

[SLooPPy JOE]

Estelindis: Yes I was joking, I agree with you on friendships with NPC's of the opposite sex

Computer_God91: It's still a valid argument

[Estelindis]

theelementslayer wrote...

Whats with the video game sex, all you need is before and after, you dont need to see the actual sex.

If you'd read the thread, you'd see that people are asking for scenes like ME1's in terms of intimacy and artistry - and the ME1 scene shows the before and after rather than the act itself.  So I don't believe anyone's actually disagreeing with you at all.

Neverwinter_Knight77 wrote...

Why do so many people care about sex so much?  Love > lust.

And sex never involves love, only lust?  Our whole point here is that we want romantic scenes that show and strengthen the bond between the lovers, not mindless rut-fests.

Modifié par Estelindis, 08 juin 2011 - 04:17 .

[Massadonious1]

I never said I had a problem with the ME1 scenes, I just think that those that want an obvious step up from that are mostly misguided in their notions.

You can show off proper passion without boobies.

[slimgrin]

theelementslayer wrote...

Whats with the video game sex, all you need is before and after, you dont need to see the actual sex. If you want that go outside, find a date

You are a genius.

Um..are you 16?

Modifié par slimgrin, 08 juin 2011 - 04:16 .

[Ricinator]

Massadonious1 wrote...

I never said I had a problem with the ME1 scenes, I just think that those that want an obvious step up from that are mostly misguided in their notions.

You can show off proper passion without boobies.

i don't think a lot of people are pushing for a step up from that, but more of equal to or greater content of the ME1 scene

[DoNotIngest]

slimgrin wrote...

theelementslayer wrote...

Whats with the video game sex, all you need is before and after, you dont need to see the actual sex. If you want that go outside, find a date

You are a genius.

Um..are you 16?

No, no, didn't you hear what he said? He said, "Go outside, you'll get lotsa sexing."



I'm guessing 13-14 range

Modifié par DoNotIngest, 08 juin 2011 - 04:21 .

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

I just wonder if we get to see Tali's face. One way or another, that might be a base breaker for Talimancers. lol

[Estelindis]

Ricinator wrote...

Massadonious1 wrote...

I just think that those that want an obvious step up from that are mostly misguided in their notions.

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idon't think a lot of people are pushing for a step up from that, but more of equal to or greater content of the ME1 scene

It does rather depend on what Massadonious thinks "a step up" means, of course.

Modifié par Estelindis, 08 juin 2011 - 04:23 .

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

scyphozoa wrote...

I request there be NO love scenes in ME3. No love interests or romances please. I'm really too busy saving all known civilization to be bothered with petty romance!

I think you're in the minority there, but as always, they're optional.

[slimgrin]

scyphozoa wrote...

I request there be NO love scenes in ME3. No love interests or romances please. I'm really too busy saving all known civilization to be bothered with petty romance!

What about hookers?

[Estelindis]

scyphozoa wrote...

I request there be NO love scenes in ME3. No love interests or romances please. I'm really too busy saving all known civilization to be bothered with petty romance!

But this is the genius of having so many romances already established by the time ME3 begins.  The bonds are already there, and seeing how they're tried and tested during this cataclysmic conflict is just one part of the story of fighting the Reapers.  On the other hand, if your Shep didn't start any romances in ME1 or ME2 on the grounds that s/he didn't have time for such things while saving the galaxy, then not having those romantic threads to pick up only makes more sense as the story approaches its climax.

Of course, the exception to the above would be the promised same-sex romance.  If Shepard has longed for the comfort of love all through the saga so far but remained celibate due to no one of his orientation returning his attraction, then it's a heartwarming note for him to find love even in the cold ashes of what could be humanity's final war.

Modifié par Estelindis, 08 juin 2011 - 04:27 .