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[tmp7704]

In the interest of science... here's that "gorgeous elf vs Morrigan" comparison i mentioned.



(take into account the chins are universally bigger in DA2, also on humans)

Modifié par tmp7704, 10 juin 2011 - 09:41 .

[Bio-Age]

Serpieri Nei wrote...

Bio-Age wrote...

Serpieri Nei wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Serpieri Nei wrote...

Sutekh wrote...

Serpieri Nei wrote...

Why do people believe slaves are kept in bad shape? Owning slaves is a status symbol. If they had bad teeth, patched skin, or any other deformities that looked badly on the owner. Slaves were often bred or sought for beauty,
power, stamina, etc.. Depending if they were used for love, fighting, cleaning or dying.

Or do people actually believe nobles like to have ugly slaves in their homes to exhibit with all their wares? 

Not because she was a slave at all, but because of the circumstances/predicament in which her master was when we found her (away from home, hunting/hunted... can't tell much more without breaking the non-spoiler policy).

Anyway, my taking her as an example is more to prove that beauty/ugliness is the most subjective of things. But I maintain that there's something seriously off in the proportions of the two aforementioned guys' face. Not monstruously so, but something's not right. That was my first impression when I saw them, and I still have that impression after seeing them numerous times.

Yet, she was able to afford the use of makeup which is far more expansive then food and lodging,
and somehow had part of her face caved in. 

Monstrous is right, and it's not just the face it's the body of the elves as well. So it seems this new model had to go since it has a lot of problems.

I'm enjoying how because you and some other people personally dislike the new look you're saying that it has to go.

I'm enjoying how you almost derailed someone's thread - when going off-topic - You know like when you pointed out to me that you didn’t want your Darkspawn thread closed.

Back on topic, so your fine with the new faces models and Meril's contoured elf body. Good to know that you find that beautiful. 

Yeah, I saw that in the blood mage post -  did he ever bother to PM you?

Not only did he not PM me, the Mods posted there was nothing wrong with discussing the elves and the darkspawn in the same post.

LoL, yeah found the thread - he seemed quite worried about it - guess he's not worried when doing it on someone's else thread. 

[TEWR]

apparently Bio-Age you ignored the post where I said "No because I felt like dropping it. He/She was right"

[Serpieri Nei]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

wait what?

I remember mods saying that we could discuss elves and darkspawn in my darkspawn thread, but I don't remember any mods posting in the thread where I talked about your elven champion.

Point out where I said a mod posted in thread about the Blood Mage.

[bleetman]

tmp7704 wrote...

In the interest of science... here's that "gorgeous elf vs Morrigan" comparison i mentioned.

Huh. The irises are actually noticeably smaller, aren't they? How peculiar.

[Sutekh]

tmp7704 wrote...

In the interest of science... here's that "gorgeous elf vs Morrigan" comparison i mentioned.

[Gorgeous women being gorgeous]

(take into account the chins are universally bigger in DA2, also on humans)

Honestly, the only thing they have in common is the hairdo. Apart from the chin, different lips (Morrigan's are very unique), different eyes, different noses. Face shape is kinda the same (except for the chin, and Morrigan's more triangular), but that's all.

[TEWR]

Serpieri Nei wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

wait what?

I remember mods saying that we could discuss elves and darkspawn in my darkspawn thread, but I don't remember any mods posting in the thread where I talked about your elven champion.

Point out where I said a mod posted in thread about the Blood Mage.

you said in response to this:

Yeah, I saw that in the blood mage post -  did he ever bother to PM you?

Not only did he not PM me, the Mods posted there was nothing wrong with discussing the elves and the darkspawn in the same post.

So that's where I got confused. I posted in a blood mage thread, and what you said for some reason led me to believe mods posted in that same thread.


I've had a really bad headache since I woke up today so my thinking skills tend to suffer when they occur.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 10 juin 2011 - 09:58 .

[tmp7704]

Sutekh wrote...
Honestly, the only thing they have in common is the hairdo. Apart from the chin, different lips (Morrigan's are very unique), different eyes, different noses. Face shape is kinda the same (except for the chin, and Morrigan's more triangular), but that's all.

We're probably focusing on different things. I see identical shading on the nose bridge (which means head-on the DA2 elf looks just like human in this regard), the identical face shape (Morrigan's chin is smaller but that's part of univeral chin enlargement applied to every humanoid in DA2, not elf-specific trait) and pretty much the same eye (and iris) size as well as the eye slant. Morrigan has fuller lips which is her personal trait, but other than that the width is pretty much the same. She also tends to narrow her eyes which may make them appear not as large, but they are.

In other words, it'd be hard to point out what's specifically elf-like about the elf in that picture, aside from the ears.

[_Aine_]

tmp7704 wrote...

Sutekh wrote...
Honestly, the only thing they have in common is the hairdo. Apart from the chin, different lips (Morrigan's are very unique), different eyes, different noses. Face shape is kinda the same (except for the chin, and Morrigan's more triangular), but that's all.

We're probably focusing on different things. I see identical shading on the nose bridge (which means head-on the DA2 elf looks just like human in this regard), the identical face shape (Morrigan's chin is smaller but that's part of univeral chin enlargement applied to every humanoid in DA2, not elf-specific trait) and pretty much the same eye (and iris) size as well as the eye slant. Morrigan has fuller lips which is her personal trait, but other than that the width is pretty much the same. She also tends to narrow her eyes which may make them appear not as large, but they are.

In other words, it'd be hard to point out what's specifically elf-like about the elf in that picture, aside from the ears.

I see what you are seeing in terms of similarities. Much of the overall facial balance is the same.   Mouth is higher but ...yes, I see the similiarities in balance.   

I would be surprised (pleasantly mind you) if that was a different designer who did the two.     Maybe it is just the limitations of the tools themselves that make it so, but as it stands, I see the similarities.  (It isn't identical, it is kind of what would happen if Morrigan had a baby with an elf...well, if they could end up looking elven and not human that is )  

[Satyricon331]

tmp7704 wrote...
In other words, it'd be hard to point out what's specifically elf-like about the elf in that picture, aside from the ears.

Great point, and I agree I don't see anything distinctly non-human about her facial features.

[FieryDove]

Feanor_II wrote...

Not every species and every single character should look pretty!

I agree.

 it suits better the "lower profile" (nomads or servants) of DA lore.

I disagree.

Jerrybnsn wrote...

I wonder if the devs will ever address the elf and darkspawn complaints? I guess if they haven't addressed it yet, they aren't going to doing anything different.

They are happy with the changes, why would they address anything? With the exception of some gameplay changes/tweaks Mike pretty well said as much.

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

she has the same exact features the other DA2 elves have......

I strongly disagree. She is more of a human with elf ears than anything else. Most of the dalish look nothing like her nor do most of the named city elves.

Modifié par FieryDove, 11 juin 2011 - 12:01 .

[Bio-Age]

Modifié par Bio-Age, 11 juin 2011 - 12:52 .

[Serpieri Nei]

Nice collage

[aduellist]

tmp7704 wrote...

(take into account the chins are universally bigger in DA2, also on humans)

Methinks someone in the Bioware art depratment is a big Jay Leno fan.

[TEWR]

That..... is a face of pure evil.


But it's not the face of pure, concentrated evil. That goes to the EA guy with the creepy, blank stare and the horrific smile.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 11 juin 2011 - 12:54 .

[erynnar]

tmp7704 wrote...

Sutekh wrote...
Honestly, the only thing they have in common is the hairdo. Apart from the chin, different lips (Morrigan's are very unique), different eyes, different noses. Face shape is kinda the same (except for the chin, and Morrigan's more triangular), but that's all.

We're probably focusing on different things. I see identical shading on the nose bridge (which means head-on the DA2 elf looks just like human in this regard), the identical face shape (Morrigan's chin is smaller but that's part of univeral chin enlargement applied to every humanoid in DA2, not elf-specific trait) and pretty much the same eye (and iris) size as well as the eye slant. Morrigan has fuller lips which is her personal trait, but other than that the width is pretty much the same. She also tends to narrow her eyes which may make them appear not as large, but they are.

In other words, it'd be hard to point out what's specifically elf-like about the elf in that picture, aside from the ears.

Um, just as an artist...keep in mind that those two pictures have very different lighting, which really makes a difference. So, they may look similar, but one is in shadow, one in full light. Sorry, But with that I can't say they are similar. If we could get a pic of similar lighing...then I could compare and contrast. But right now? Not very good examples artistically speaking. Sorry...4 years of drawing naked people speaking.

[erynnar]

Bio-Age wrote...

The only ones I like from DA2 are the last three. And the donkey ears!!! Damn I hate those donkey ears! **** Blizzard and their stupid tainting of elves with those stupid ears! Seriously, BioWare, no more donkey ears.

[erynnar]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...






A gorgeous DA2 elf.

Sorry Eth, I don't find her gorgeous. She is passable to me. She doesn't make me want to gag, vommit or put a bag on her head. That's not saying much. I think it's the Jay Leno chin. And I noticed they all either have that beautiful green or some funky blues. They need more variety and more exotic but believeable colors.

Merrill and Fenris are the best looking elves, but I assume it is due to time and care. Zevran looked horrid. And while there were ugle elves in DAO, their ratio to pretty was far lower than DA2, where almost every NPC elf looked warped.

Modifié par erynnar, 11 juin 2011 - 01:22 .

[Monica83]

I just compared them and the origins elves are WAY better than those creepy creature in da2

[TEWR]

Blasphemer! You dare speak evil about Athenril? You're a witch! I will not listen to your slander! Lalalalalalalalalalallalalalalla =P



Anyway, how come in that collage it shows 2 elves with the same design that have different clothing? I mean, one I can understand but two just defeats the purpose. what about Orsino? Or Marethari? Ineria? Fenarel? Ilen?


Some people are focused too much on the elves they see as bad and ugly (which some I don't personally find ugly. Maybe not gorgeous, but at least decent.) and are forgetting, or outright ignoring, the good ones.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 11 juin 2011 - 01:27 .

[TEWR]

out of curiosity, what would elves look like in Origins with the new facial designs?

[_Aine_]

People complained a lot about the DAO elves too, Ethereal. Some of them were quite ill proportioned originally for some people's tastes also.

Facial wise, aside from some very... unique new balance features, i think people could adjust *somewhat* if they had a toolset to modify to personal preference. I am not sure that it is strictly in the face that people complain though, I think the body type is difficult for many to adjust to, because it quite extreme in lack of all bone structure, musculature, and body fat.

Fenris was slender but proportioned. Although not to *my* taste, Merrill was fairly decent. Orsino was very much "new model" but because he was in robes he looked passable.  I would say the rest of the elves, for the most part, were rushed or ignored. A cheeseburger or two would help. Truthfully, most of them were doing physical labour and should have had some more muscle tone though, slender or not.

But it is what it is. They made them what they wanted them to be.  *shrug*

Modifié par shantisands, 11 juin 2011 - 01:49 .

[mcsupersport]

Whoever came up with the floppy donkey ears in DA2 games or for any elf in any game should be shot, stabbed, drawn, quartered, drowned, poisoned, thrown off a cliff, and eviscerated for good measure. Why some idiot with a pen actually thought it looked good, I don't know, but it had to be some college graduate art student that says the smaller ears look like humans with points and not a different species, and totally forgot that the big floppy ears look way too stupid to be worth the effort. Heck maybe they are just playing a joke on all of us just to prove they can do it.

There were much better ways of making them distinct than popping on big ears, work with the eyes, facial structure, width and length all to make them exotic and not just pop the ears bigger.

[TEWR]

Well, I have a very thin body structure myself and not much muscle tone, but I'm actually really strong.

Seriously, if people on here met me in real life they'd call me skin and bones because that's what I look like. And I have a long neck too.

I must be an elf....

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 11 juin 2011 - 02:36 .