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[Jerrybnsn]

People complained that the elf ears in Origins were too small? The only way I could see that if they were playing with a female elf and she had very long hair. I made one just like that and adjusted here ear height as much as possible but still couldn't see them. But nobody had trouble mistaking her for an elf in the game though.  But all they would had to do was just make them slightly taller, not turn them into goblin ears.

Modifié par Jerrybnsn, 11 juin 2011 - 11:46 .

[Sutekh]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

People complained that the elf ears in Origins were too small? The only way I could see that if they were playing with a female elf and she had very long hair. I made one just like that and adjusted here ear height as much as possible but still couldn't see them. But nobody had trouble mistaking her for an elf in the game though.  But all they would had to do was just make them slightly taller, not turn them into goblin ears.

I don't know about "people", but the problem I had with elf ears is that the PC's were smaller and flatter than the rest of the elvish cast. So elf ears were fine, except for the most important elf of them all.

Here, have a picture of father and son:


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This is particularly true for the Dalish, though, because, Dalish propaganda set aside, there are a few city elves who have flat ears, which could be explained by a drop of human blood in their lineage, but I've yet to see a flat-eared Dalish, except the PC.

Of course, the point is moot for DA2 since you can't play an elf.

[Sutekh]

Queen-Of-Stuff wrote...

Just to nitpick; elves can't have human blood in their lineage. Any canoodling between an elf and a human can only result in a human offspring. Sadly.

Yes, I know that (although Feynriel's appearance in DA2 seems to contradict that a bit), and yes, sadly . But I figured that if you have only a distant human ancestor and all the rest of your family tree is pure elf, the Elvish traits would eventually re-emerge, except for those slightly human flat-ears (which would in turn explain the Dalish slur for city elves). The appearance is human, but surely, the elven genes aren't destroyed in the process?

And yes, I'm pulling at straws 

That aside, I really wished we did have larger ears in DAO. Larger, more out-pointing ones. I kind have a thing for them. So the DA2-droopiness didn't bother me whatsoever

If you're on PC, there's a mod that does just that (See avatar. Have to use it at creation, though, doesn't work for existing chars).

[tmp7704]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

(just one more thing, it looks like these pics were done with the old Origins engine instead of the revamped DAII...I'm just noticing this in it's texturing, coloring, and shading.  These are moded?)

Yes, since the Ethereal Writer asked what the elves would look like with the new features in DAO   Which is also why the appearances are more of a mix between DA2 and DAO -- they use the DAO bodies hence the regular sized neck etc.

edit: though as far as the noses go, this may be just matter of perspective -- they look pretty "normal" at angle, but in side view that becomes more obviously not the case

Modifié par tmp7704, 11 juin 2011 - 02:05 .

[Sutekh]

Queen-Of-Stuff wrote...

Feynriel is still a human, just a rather funky-looking one According to what I've heard, the Elvish traits will not reemerge. There's either pure elf or pure human and neither shall the twain meet. I don't know how it works - it runs contrary to everything I know about genetics, so I doubt it can be explained scientifically   Either magic does it or the Maker himself hates elves and destroys their genes, the wife-stealing poo-faced bastard.

Proof if needed that the Maker is a jerk, and a very passive-agressive one, at that. What with all the sulking and all. I'd be more inclined toward Tevinter Experiment Gone Bad, though. In Thedas, if anything goes wrong, blame Tevinter on general principle.

And you shattered my dreams 

Seriously though, even if Feynriel's appearance was retcon, I thought it was a very nice retcon. The possibilities of mixed races and consequences would be, IMHO, very interesting.

[Abispa]

To be honest, I would have been happy if they established that the different humanoid species on Thedas COULD NOT have offspring, or at least have offspring that were sterile. I have family members who actually work in genetics so ease with which elves, orcs and humans interbreed in D&D always annoyed me. Having half-human children is an acceptable compromise, a human child that may have features similar to the elves, but is still human. Feynriel's features may be uncommon, but not outside the possibility for "normal" humans. I'm not sure how dwarven half-humans are handled, though.

[tmp7704]

Abispa wrote...

I'm not sure how dwarven half-humans are handled, though.

Human and dwarf offsprings are supposedly half-dwarves, mixing traits of both species and landing somewhere in-between. Can't remember if Mr.Gaider ever stated if they can produce children further down the line.

[Oopsieoops]

Abispa wrote...

To be honest, I would have been happy if they established that the different humanoid species on Thedas COULD NOT have offspring, or at least have offspring that were sterile. I have family members who actually work in genetics so ease with which elves, orcs and humans interbreed in D&D always annoyed me. Having half-human children is an acceptable compromise, a human child that may have features similar to the elves, but is still human. Feynriel's features may be uncommon, but not outside the possibility for "normal" humans. I'm not sure how dwarven half-humans are handled, though.

You're assuming that our genetics is the same as in a fantasy universe, and that's not necessarily so (and indeed if often isn't). At any rate, there's no need for a fantasy universe to adhere to our universe's genetics anymore more than it needs to adhere to our physics.

[Ronnel]

badass elf

[Vic George 2011]

That could be a good physical mod for Fenris.

[MistySun]

Ronnel...those ears of your elve look like he could take off and fly with them.

[Hel]

Ronnel wrote...

badass elf

It's the fabled dwelf.

[Ronnel]

Maybe elves in orgins looks like human but elves in da 2 is more alien

[b00mQQ]

I like the DA2 elves pretty well. Are they perfect? No, but they're an improvement from DA:O.

[Monica83]

Oh yes improvement.. grab a elf from the neck push is head aganist a wall and smash it.. and you get da2 elves XD

[Eternal Phoenix]

Ronnel wrote...

badass elf

His beard isn't even touching his face...you sure that's not a fake beard that he's wearing?

[Tantum Dic Verbo]

erynnar wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...






A gorgeous DA2 elf.

Sorry Eth, I don't find her gorgeous. She is passable to me. She doesn't make me want to gag, vommit or put a bag on her head. That's not saying much. I think it's the Jay Leno chin. And I noticed they all either have that beautiful green or some funky blues. They need more variety and more exotic but believeable colors.

Merrill and Fenris are the best looking elves, but I assume it is due to time and care. Zevran looked horrid. And while there were ugle elves in DAO, their ratio to pretty was far lower than DA2, where almost every NPC elf looked warped.

Yeah, no second look from me on this one, either.  Another face in a homely crowd.  I suppose they could just staple some enormous boobs to her.  Enormous breasts make everything better.  Even when they look funny, they create all those modern day John Stuart Mill threads, which are always an entertaining read.

[Skilled Seeker]

It's the necks that get me. The horrid giraffe necks... Have you seen Merril's romance scene? That image will stay in my mind till the day I die.

[Lasien]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

People complained that the elf ears in Origins were too small? The only way I could see that if they were playing with a female elf and she had very long hair. I made one just like that and adjusted here ear height as much as possible but still couldn't see them. But nobody had trouble mistaking her for an elf in the game though.  But all they would had to do was just make them slightly taller, not turn them into goblin ears.

I didn't complain, but I didn't like the ears in DAO. But my problem was with the angle, not the size.

Also, I think the problem with the chins in DA2 is actually the mouth positioning, not  the chin itself. You can't really adjust it up or down except for incrementally. So the characters pretty much always end up with long chins.... 

[Lasien]

Skilled Seeker wrote...

It's the necks that get me. The horrid giraffe necks... Have you seen Merril's romance scene? That image will stay in my mind till the day I die.

That really isn't the neck so much as the skinniness of the character, and really bad manipulation of the skeleton for that scene. *shudder* 

[Rawgrim]

The elves in DA2 look like something...well..it looks like some anime hero raped a rabbit, and the offspring ended up being the DA2 elves.

[Dessalines]

Lol, I like the elves in Dragon Age 2, and I actually understood why they would be called knife ears. I love how their eyes really looked like jewels. I just think that the nose and ear facial ratio did go together on some elves, but Dragon Age 2 elves were better than Dragon Age elves..