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This is how the elves should of looked like (females)


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marshalleck wrote...

Zanallen wrote...

I like how all of the pictures of elves that people want are just pretty humans with pointy ears; the exact design that Bioware wanted to move away from with their races. Elves as perfect, superior humans is just silly in a setting where they are cast as slaves, the destitute and wilders.


So the solution is make them look grotesquely deformed?


Apparantly so.

Now this is a sexy elf. And look, BOWSTRINGS AND SHEATHS!

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Modifié par neppakyo, 08 juin 2011 - 03:46 .


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 excellent delivery :lol:

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Why did they want to move away from that for elves, when elves are supposed be deemed beautiful by humans? The Antivan Crows, according to Zevran, prefer to recruit elves because 'humans find them attractive'.

I know beauty is subjective, but the majority of people here seem to either not like the new elf design or think it's just 'not bad', at least where NPCs who have dialogue are concerned. The remarkable beauty and allure of elves as a species seems to have gone walkabout.


Beautiful to humans, sure, but not beautiful humans with pointy ears. You can have a race that humans find attractive without making them basically humans. There is always the exotic factor, after all. People find Twi'leks attractive and they are blue skinned people with head tentacals.

Now, I agree that the non-speaking NPCs were horrid, due to lack of design resources probably, and the voiced NPCs were hit or miss. I liked some of them, but others did have issues. Now, if Bioware put more resources into the face morph, perhaps making them more like the good NPC designs or, heaven forbid, the companion characters, then the current elf design would be perfect.

As for why Bioware made the change, it probably has something to do with the "generic fantasy" charges that DA:O received, along with a desire to create a unique look for the DA series and to differentiate the races from each other (I.E. Qunari as tall humans, dwarves as short humans, elves as pointy-eared humans, werewolves as hairy humans, darkspawn as undead humans, mabari as dog-like humans, etc).

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neppakyo wrote...

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The remarkable beauty and allure of elves as a species seems to have gone walkabout.


It got "laidlaw'd" aka, streamlined ;)


Now now. :P Streamlined implies less work. Changing the elves would have required more effort than leaving the design the same (even the vallaslin were updated).

Plus seeing people blame Laidlaw for every single thing is getting tiresome.

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Zanallen wrote...

As for why Bioware made the change, it probably has something to do with the "generic fantasy" charges that DA:O received, along with a desire to create a unique look for the DA series and to differentiate the races from each other (I.E. Qunari as tall humans, dwarves as short humans, elves as pointy-eared humans, werewolves as hairy humans, darkspawn as undead humans, mabari as dog-like humans, etc).

Which is why they copied the Navi (minus the blue skin) and gave elves foreheads that can hammer nails.

Cool.

Modifié par marshalleck, 08 juin 2011 - 03:58 .


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Hats made of leaves, no pants.


you are welcome.

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neppakyo wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Zanallen wrote...

I like how all of the pictures of elves that people want are just pretty humans with pointy ears; the exact design that Bioware wanted to move away from with their races. Elves as perfect, superior humans is just silly in a setting where they are cast as slaves, the destitute and wilders.


So the solution is make them look grotesquely deformed?


Apparantly so.

Now this is a sexy elf. And look, BOWSTRINGS AND SHEATHS!

iorveth


yeah.  I agree  :D 

i. want. his.... bow. (with string!) 

And to a different poster, something being beautiful rarely means it is simply respected for its beauty.  Many times, beautiful people have to work against perception just as much as the next person.  They can still be treated as objects of disdain, cruelty etc.   Being beautiful is not something impossible for a slave or lower class.  In fact, they may be treated worse because of their beauty.  What is envied is often repressed, how else can an insecure person (or race in this case) maintain their dominance?  

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marshalleck wrote...

Which is why they copied the Navi (minus the blue skin) and gave elves foreheads that can hammer nails.

Cool.


Except they don't really look anything like the Na'vi.

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Zanallen wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Which is why they copied the Navi (minus the blue skin) and gave elves foreheads that can hammer nails.

Cool.


Except they don't really look anything like the Na'vi.

Sure they do. It's the first thing I thought of when I saw the massive load-bearing foreheads in-game. Seriously, I think they could roll steel with their faces.

Modifié par marshalleck, 08 juin 2011 - 04:10 .


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marshalleck wrote...

Sure they do. It's the first thing I thought of when I saw the massive load-bearing foreheads in-game. Seriously, I think they could roll steel with their faces.


Their foreheads aren't that much larger than a human's either. They seem larger because most of their hairstyles are swept from the brow. Compared to the Na'vi, the DA2 elves have similar eye shapes and that is about it. Their ears are set much lower and sweep back and to the side. Na'vi ears are set high and point mostly upward like those of a cat. The Na'vi all have wide, feline noses while those of the elves have various shapes. Merrill's, for instance, has a thin bridge that widens slightly. Since elves, humans and Na'vi all have pretty much similar jaw structures and mouth shapes, there isn't much of a point in comparing them.

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Zanallen wrote...

Their foreheads aren't that much larger than a human's either. They seem larger because most of their hairstyles are swept from the brow. Compared to the Na'vi, the DA2 elves have similar eye shapes and that is about it. Their ears are set much lower and sweep back and to the side. Na'vi ears are set high and point mostly upward like those of a cat. The Na'vi all have wide, feline noses while those of the elves have various shapes. Merrill's, for instance, has a thin bridge that widens slightly. Since elves, humans and Na'vi all have pretty much similar jaw structures and mouth shapes, there isn't much of a point in comparing them.


DA2 elves are nowhere near as awesome as Iorveth!

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I concur.

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neppakyo wrote...

DA2 elves are nowhere near as awesome as Iorveth!


But Iorveth's character design isn't what makes him awesome. At least, it isn't the whole of it. Besides, Iorveth isn't designed to be a pretty human with pointy ears like the pictures people have been posting here of what they want elves to look like. And speaking of large foreheads...The elves in the Witcher have those in spades.

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No they don't. They just have high hairlines.

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Ah. So the elves in DA 2 have large foreheads despite them being roughly the same size as those of the humans while the elves in the Witcher don't have large foreheads, merely high hairlines. Gotcha. [/sarcasm]

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Yes. Perfectly reasonable.

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You mean that the elves in the Witcher 2 have high hairlines that expose more of their forehead giving the appearance or perception of having a larger forehead. Is that what is being said? Whereas the elves in DA2 actually have larger foreheads? Did I miss something?

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Compare that to this: wikicheats.gametrailers.com/images/thumb/2/22/Dragon_Age_2_Fenris_01.jpg/225px-Dragon_Age_2_Fenris_01.jpg

So, once again, the elves in DA2 have big foreheads, but the elves in the Witcher don't?

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 Cloud Fenris doesn't count ;)

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neppakyo wrote...

 Cloud Fenris doesn't count ;)


Ah, gotcha.

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Elves should look like this http://www.digital-a...digital_art.jpg

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Yes, silent1 she looks good. DA2 elves do look awlful...with those huge eyes. It's creepy. But i'm sorry all of you didn't like my lovely elves...at least they are nice to look at. :)

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Zanallen wrote...
Beautiful to humans, sure, but not beautiful humans with pointy ears. You can have a race that humans find attractive without making them basically humans. There is always the exotic factor, after all. People find Twi'leks attractive and they are blue skinned people with head tentacals.


Well, humans do tend to find things that look human, more attractive than things that do not. And even where things do not look human, we always try to find human features within them.

Fine, discard our liking things for their perceived Humanness: We like proportionate things. You know, Golden Ratios and such.

DA2 elves are not exactly moving in that direction ;P

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They wanted to turn elves in pink na'vi whitout tail