89 réponses à ce sujet

[Lolomlas]

Radwar wrote...

You wear what you should depending on the situations. These are battles that are fought in the open, Kasumi would use stealth, silence and backstabs to kill her foes when thieving. Shepard has straight fights and a thieving outfit when everyone sees you just doesn't cut it. Same for thing for Thane, In the past, he's was a silent assasin and light outfits are best for these situations but not on a battlefield where everyone sees you. Adequate protection is a must in those situation.

Yes they sould wear what is best in a situation. But that's the thing Kasumi also uses stelth and backstabbing on the battlefield and Thane uses a Sniper Rifle so he is most stays back on the battlefield to and they won't charge in the front line, that is not how they fight and why they do not need to wear heavy armor, they are fine with that lighter armor they are wearing. While Ashleys new looks are totally inpractical.

[DrDrCapone13]

Radwar wrote...


Yes, that looks like some mighty protection...

(Pic)

as opposed to this...

(Pic)

Although I never liked the colors for the Phoenix armor (pink?).

While I am not about to argue that the armor for Ashley in ME3 looks more resistant than that of ME1, you can't deny that it's a step in the right direction. 

Not to mention, the only difference between those two pictures is a slightly dipping neckline on the ME3 armor for Ashley; hardly a noticeable distinction when you consider that some characters in the second game literally walked around in entirely too revealing attire. 

Believe it or not, I agree with you: they shouldn't be over-sexualizing characters in these games. HOWEVER, considering that Ashley's armor is a major improvement over the female armors in ME2, I think complaining might be in bad taste.

[DrDrCapone13]

Also, I thought I should mention, according to the Codex, the armor used is made of a "hard-suit" composed primarily of ceramic. Therefore, it should not be considered the first line of defense against gunfire. The shields are the most important part of the armor set. That is not to say that armors should be casual wear, but they don't need to entirely cover the body.

[Dave666]

DrDrCapone13 wrote...

Also, I thought I should mention, according to the Codex, the armor used is made of a "hard-suit" composed primarily of ceramic. Therefore, it should not be considered the first line of defense against gunfire. The shields are the most important part of the armor set. That is not to say that armors should be casual wear, but they don't need to entirely cover the body.

You mean apart from the fact that 'Hard Suits' double up as Environment Suits and Space Suits?  I'm pretty sure that going into a highly toxic environment or Space whilst not completely covered up wouldn't do you many favours.  Sure they could wear different Suits in such Environments, but why bother when you can have one multi-purpose Suit for all situations?

[Kogaion]

armor is armor when it covers all body ...closed helmets in vacuum not cleaveges, breathing masks and high heels ...i just add myself to the ones that STRONGLY oppose casual suits in combat situations...i hope for bioware to do the right thing but i doubt that

[Flashlegend]

Radwar wrote...

Lolomlas wrote...

I don't think Everyone needs armor. Just those characters should wear armor which are making sense. Like Ashley, she is a soldier who worn heavy armor in ME1 and 2, and now she is wearing a catsuit. That is madness. However Kasumi for example don't need heavy armor, she is a thief it would just slow her down.

You wear what you should depending on the situations. These are battles that are fought in the open, Kasumi would use stealth, silence and backstabs to kill her foes when thieving. Shepard has straight fights and a thieving outfit when everyone sees you just doesn't cut it. Same for thing for Thane, In the past, he's was a silent assasin and light outfits are best for these situations but not on a battlefield where everyone sees you. Adequate protection is a must in those situation.

Have you watched the full length cinematic trailer for ME2 with grunt, shepard and thane? Thane is jumping over boxes and flipping in mid air like the assassin he is and I'm quite sure he(and kasumi judging from that scene in her loyalty mission) would be hard pressed to do the same crazy parkour like moves while armored. So no, not everyone needs heavy armor.

[DrDrCapone13]

Dave666 wrote...

You mean apart from the fact that 'Hard Suits' double up as Environment Suits and Space Suits?  I'm pretty sure that going into a highly toxic environment or Space whilst not completely covered up wouldn't do you many favours.  Sure they could wear different Suits in such Environments, but why bother when you can have one multi-purpose Suit for all situations?

That is a good point. But, I still have to say, the armor Ashley is wearing in the screens we've seen certainly seems to be able to close at the neckline. There is nothing suggesting the armor she's wearing would undergo the same fatal flaw that Miranda's, Jack's, and Mordin's all suffered: large portions of exposed skin in toxic or vacuum environments.

[Radwar]

The Predator armor would look great on Ashley aswell since she's the military type.

[Steppenwolf]

The argument for the aesthetics of an iconic look and artistic integrity and all that can be made, BUT in the context established by the games armor IS useful. It's useful at deflecting/absorbing bullets/projectiles and biotic/tech powers. Remember that orange bar that enemies had? Armor.
So a character running around in a cat suit or with just belts covering her nipples and heading into a full-on war is stupid in the context of the games. It makes no sense and is IMO childish fan service for the teen boy demographic.

[Ozzyfan223]

I think if you wanted pure-sensibility over style most games would look very dull.

I have nothing wrong with them making squadmates have different types of outfits. I don't think armor is necessary when shields are so prevalent. And, especially with biotics, I would think you would want more maneuverability.

of course that whole skin in a vacuum thing was a pretty poor decision....

Modifié par Ozzyfan223, 08 juin 2011 - 09:54 .

[Dave666]

DrDrCapone13 wrote...

Dave666 wrote...

You mean apart from the fact that 'Hard Suits' double up as Environment Suits and Space Suits?  I'm pretty sure that going into a highly toxic environment or Space whilst not completely covered up wouldn't do you many favours.  Sure they could wear different Suits in such Environments, but why bother when you can have one multi-purpose Suit for all situations?

That is a good point. But, I still have to say, the armor Ashley is wearing in the screens we've seen certainly seems to be able to close at the neckline. There is nothing suggesting the armor she's wearing would undergo the same fatal flaw that Miranda's, Jack's, and Mordin's all suffered: large portions of exposed skin in toxic or vacuum environments.

Oh, don't get me wrong, its certainly better than Miranda and especially Jack's clothing in ME:2, no question about that.  But its still a far cry from ME:1's functional and believeable Armour.  Hell all they had to do was create a similar type of Armour for each Squadmate and give it a Texture file that makes it stand out for each character.  Imagine Jack in battle with grafiti scrawled over her Armour for example.  Its personal and at the same time she's still wearing actual Armour.

[Radwar]

Flashlegend wrote...

Radwar wrote...

Lolomlas wrote...

I don't think Everyone needs armor. Just those characters should wear armor which are making sense. Like Ashley, she is a soldier who worn heavy armor in ME1 and 2, and now she is wearing a catsuit. That is madness. However Kasumi for example don't need heavy armor, she is a thief it would just slow her down.

You wear what you should depending on the situations. These are battles that are fought in the open, Kasumi would use stealth, silence and backstabs to kill her foes when thieving. Shepard has straight fights and a thieving outfit when everyone sees you just doesn't cut it. Same for thing for Thane, In the past, he's was a silent assasin and light outfits are best for these situations but not on a battlefield where everyone sees you. Adequate protection is a must in those situation.

Have you watched the full length cinematic trailer for ME2 with grunt, shepard and thane? Thane is jumping over boxes and flipping in mid air like the assassin he is and I'm quite sure he(and kasumi judging from that scene in her loyalty mission) would be hard pressed to do the same crazy parkour like moves while armored. So no, not everyone needs heavy armor.

"flipping in mid air like the assassin he is"  Show me an actual in-game (not a frikin' cinematic) video of him doing just that. He does exactly what Shepard and other squadmates do. Put a Ninja in an actual battlefield with 6 or 7 enemies shooting at him and see how long he lasts compared to him having futuristic armor.

[Radwar]

Ozzyfan223 wrote...

I think if you wanted pure-sensibility over style most games would look very dull.

I have nothing wrong with them making squadmates have different types of outfits. I don't think armor is necessary when shields are so prevalent. And, especially with biotics, I would think you would want more maneuverability.

of course that whole skin in a vacuum thing was a pretty poor decision....

Shields can be disabled in a second, I'd rather have that extra layer of protection.

[kaiki01]

Armor can be disabled in a second as well. As demonstrated in ME2.

[Ozzyfan223]

Radwar wrote...

Ozzyfan223 wrote...

I think if you wanted pure-sensibility over style most games would look very dull.

I have nothing wrong with them making squadmates have different types of outfits. I don't think armor is necessary when shields are so prevalent. And, especially with biotics, I would think you would want more maneuverability.

of course that whole skin in a vacuum thing was a pretty poor decision....

Shields can be disabled in a second, I'd rather have that extra layer of protection.

I think that depends on the strength of the shields. ;D 

I don't want everyone running around in big bulky armor, it wouldn't look appealing. And it wouldn't make sense for some characters to wear it. Would you see Samara running around in armor? I don't think so.

[Radwar]

kaiki01 wrote...

Armor can be disabled in a second as well. As demonstrated in ME2.

Well atleast your protection will last twice as long.

And there's always a good chance that the enemy hasn't the powers to completely disable both shields and armor.

[Steppenwolf]

Ozzyfan223 wrote...

Radwar wrote...

Ozzyfan223 wrote...

I think if you wanted pure-sensibility over style most games would look very dull.

I have nothing wrong with them making squadmates have different types of outfits. I don't think armor is necessary when shields are so prevalent. And, especially with biotics, I would think you would want more maneuverability.

of course that whole skin in a vacuum thing was a pretty poor decision....

Shields can be disabled in a second, I'd rather have that extra layer of protection.

I think that depends on the strength of the shields. ;D 

I don't want everyone running around in big bulky armor, it wouldn't look appealing. And it wouldn't make sense for some characters to wear it. Would you see Samara running around in armor? I don't think so.

Yes, I could. Armor similar to Miranda's in that second outfit pack would work nicely.

kaiki01 wrote...

Armor can be disabled in a second as well. As demonstrated in ME2.

Yes,
but would you rather have 1 layer of defense or 2? If your life was on
the line you would trade a fraction of mobility for security.

[Radwar]

Ozzyfan223 wrote...

Radwar wrote...

Ozzyfan223 wrote...

I think if you wanted pure-sensibility over style most games would look very dull.

I have nothing wrong with them making squadmates have different types of outfits. I don't think armor is necessary when shields are so prevalent. And, especially with biotics, I would think you would want more maneuverability.

of course that whole skin in a vacuum thing was a pretty poor decision....

Shields can be disabled in a second, I'd rather have that extra layer of protection.

I think that depends on the strength of the shields. ;D 

I don't want everyone running around in big bulky armor, it wouldn't look appealing. And it wouldn't make sense for some characters to wear it. Would you see Samara running around in armor? I don't think so.

Soldiers don't wear armor because it looks appealing (I think it does though), it's because it's common sense to protect yourself in the middle of a battle field. Hey why not make them wear swim suits with a thong & high heals while we're at it, it would make as much sense if you're only going for whats appealing rather than logic. And Yes I would see Samara in armor, even light armor would be better than that dumb outfit geared towards giving teenager's a hard-on she was wearing. I mean all the Asari biotics you faced had armor, how about that?

Modifié par Radwar, 08 juin 2011 - 10:12 .

[Kabanya101]

Everyone does know that the clothing Ash was wearing in the trailer is only for when her and Shep are at the trial on Earth, and they have to get back to the Normandy when the reapers attack.

She will get armor, and from what I've heard, it will be like Kaiden's armor in the teaser photo of him, Liara, and Shep.
AND...
We won't be able to customize of squadmates armor, because if anybody paid attention to the Collector's Edition, it says a code for squadmates ALTERNATE appearances. So by assumption, it will probably be like ME2 where everyone gets like two, maybe three outfits, and then the DLC,

And by the way, the new N7 armor looks bad. The shoulder pads look so unusually done. I liked it better in ME2.

[Radwar]

Kabanya101 wrote...

Everyone does know that the clothing Ash was wearing in the trailer is only for when her and Shep are at the trial on Earth, and they have to get back to the Normandy when the reapers attack.

She will get armor, and from what I've heard, it will be like Kaiden's armor in the teaser photo of him, Liara, and Shep.
AND...
We won't be able to customize of squadmates armor, because if anybody paid attention to the Collector's Edition, it says a code for squadmates ALTERNATE appearances. So by assumption, it will probably be like ME2 where everyone gets like two, maybe three outfits, and then the DLC,

And by the way, the new N7 armor looks bad. The shoulder pads look so unusually done. I liked it better in ME2.

I hope you're right about Ash. Although come to think of it, Liara seems to be wearing the same outfit that she was wearing in the Shadow Broker DLC, I hope we can equipe her with proper armor aswell.

[TobiTobsen]

Kabanya101 wrote...

Everyone does know that the clothing Ash was wearing in the trailer is only for when her and Shep are at the trial on Earth, and they have to get back to the Normandy when the reapers attack.

She will get armor, and from what I've heard, it will be like Kaiden's armor in the teaser photo of him, Liara, and Shep.

And this assumption is based on what?

I'm curious, since I didn't saw any Dev comments that would back that up.

[Radwar]

TobiTobsen wrote...

Kabanya101 wrote...

Everyone does know that the clothing Ash was wearing in the trailer is only for when her and Shep are at the trial on Earth, and they have to get back to the Normandy when the reapers attack.

She will get armor, and from what I've heard, it will be like Kaiden's armor in the teaser photo of him, Liara, and Shep.

And this assumption is based on what?

I'm curious, since I didn't saw any Dev comments that would back that up.

Yeah, I was wondering that too since it's the first time I've heard of it.

[Lolomlas]

Radwar wrote...

"flipping in mid air like the assassin he is"  Show me an actual in-game (not a frikin' cinematic) video of him doing just that. He does exactly what Shepard and other squadmates do. Put a Ninja in an actual battlefield with 6 or 7 enemies shooting at him and see how long he lasts compared to him having futuristic armor.

Well he did not do that in game because of the gameplay style of the game and because of all the characters had the same type of skeleton for the weapon useage and movement reasons, but because he did not do it in the actual game because of gameplay limitations, does not mean he can't do it at all. And a good ninja could bring down 6-7 enemies with ease because ninjas are awesome!:ph34r:

[Radwar]

Lolomlas wrote...

Radwar wrote...

"flipping in mid air like the assassin he is"  Show me an actual in-game (not a frikin' cinematic) video of him doing just that. He does exactly what Shepard and other squadmates do. Put a Ninja in an actual battlefield with 6 or 7 enemies shooting at him and see how long he lasts compared to him having futuristic armor.

Well he did not do that in game because of the gameplay style of the game and because of all the characters had the same type of skeleton for the weapon useage and movement reasons, but because he did not do it in the actual game because of gameplay limitations, does not mean he can't do it at all. And a good ninja could bring down 6-7 enemies with ease because ninjas are awesome!:ph34r:

"And a good ninja could bring down 6-7 enemies with ease because ninjas are awesome"  In an open battlefield with them having machine guns, lol. You've watched a little too many action movies. A btw, if Thane actually acted that way (jumping around) in an open battlefield with only clothing for protection, he would be dead in 5 seconds. Like I said, clothing is great when you're playing the stealthy silent assasin, but not in the type of battles Shepard fights.

Modifié par Radwar, 08 juin 2011 - 10:49 .

[kaiki01]

Radwar wrote...

Lolomlas wrote...

Radwar wrote...

"flipping in mid air like the assassin he is"  Show me an actual in-game (not a frikin' cinematic) video of him doing just that. He does exactly what Shepard and other squadmates do. Put a Ninja in an actual battlefield with 6 or 7 enemies shooting at him and see how long he lasts compared to him having futuristic armor.

Well he did not do that in game because of the gameplay style of the game and because of all the characters had the same type of skeleton for the weapon useage and movement reasons, but because he did not do it in the actual game because of gameplay limitations, does not mean he can't do it at all. And a good ninja could bring down 6-7 enemies with ease because ninjas are awesome!:ph34r:

"And a good ninja could bring down 6-7 enemies with ease because ninjas are awesome"  In an open battlefield with them having machine guns, lol. You've watched a little too many action movies. A btw, if Thane actually acted that way (jumping around) in an open battlefield with only clothing for protection, he would be dead in 5 seconds.

Thane has tech shields