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[Ghost Warrior]

I kinda agree with the OP. The same thing was with Liara at the end of the LotSB,but that could at least be avoided by not calling her aboard. With this particular case it looks like we don't have a choice,and I do too have one Shepard that proved himself being heartless more than enough times.

And it's not the same as unability to join Sovereign or not to join Cerberus since story couldn't progress or we would need at least two different 40+ hours storylines,which is virtually impossible.

[ReallyRue]

I think Shepard being an over all 'good' character is just how the character has been created. We decide *how* Shepard does it, not *if* s/he does it.

I wish people wouldn't equate renegade with sociopathic. It means ruthless, and sometimes a jerk, not "mwah ha ha, I'll kill you and your little dog too".

[Darkhour]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

Darkhour wrote...

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Could you link the clip and annotate the time?

The one I saw had no dialog options or am I going blind.

Here

It's just that the person playing the demo chose to click the Paragon option.

I'm referring to a choice to look out for #1 and never even bother to stop to check what's making the noise.

Can't say for sure but that looked like a say it mean/ say it nice choice. There is no "screw this" choice. But it isn't really important and that scene isn't all that emotional to me. The boy was just an example because it's the closest (and only) ME3 example. The Jack dying because the shields went down are the kinds of situations I'm really talking about.  Where you're forced to care about people.  In the context of ME3 my OP is more hypothetical.  

[Darkhour]

ElitePinecone wrote...

A complete sociopath wouldn't be put in command of a warship, for example, or be nominated for a Spectre position. There's a difference between 'being ruthless in the pursuit of worthy goals' and 'crazy'. 

Saren was a sociopath and he was a ranking military officer and became the top Spectre before Shepard took the throne. A sociopath is someone who can take advantage of others by lying, stealing and cheating, while remaining unaffected by their actions. The condition is characterized by behavioral abnormalities, sociopaths are people who show an inability for feeling guilt or empathy and disregard the feelings of other people. Often, they tend to be egocentric and violate moral, social and legal norms. They lack the normal restraints of fear, such as sweating, having a dry mouth and tense muscles, that constrains the behavior of normal people.

Sociopath does not = crazy. That is a common misconception. And it can only be diagnosed if the person in question is truthful. I'm sociopathic myself, but I no better than to tell a potential employer that I'm a sociopath. People immediately think you're going to kill everybody. Most people have some degree of social sicopathy. I doubt you are going to give up your comforts for strangers nor do you lose sleep at night over horros that occur outside your fold of friends and acquaintances.

[Darkhour]

ReallyRue wrote...

I think Shepard being an over all 'good' character is just how the character has been created.

Kill the counsel and put udina on the throne because the alieans were in our way. Good?
Protect Cerberus interests. (Keep their dirty laundry covered up, the Overlord ending choice, etc. Good?
Killing people who have surrendered and/or helpless. Good?

Shepard can be played from the perspective saving his own hide or promoting human dominance at every other species expense. He, unlike Riddick, can be a true anti-hero.

I wish people wouldn't equate renegade with sociopathic. It means ruthless, and sometimes a jerk, not "mwah ha ha, I'll kill you and your little dog too".

No one has said renegade = sociopath. It is you who cannot seperate the two. Whenever anyone says their rengade is less than noble you assume they pick only red choices and kill everything in sight just because they can.

[kaiki01]

Darkhour wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...

A complete sociopath wouldn't be put in command of a warship, for example, or be nominated for a Spectre position. There's a difference between 'being ruthless in the pursuit of worthy goals' and 'crazy'. 

Saren was a sociopath and he was a ranking military officer and became the top Spectre before Shepard took the throne. A sociopath is someone who can take advantage of others by lying, stealing and cheating, while remaining unaffected by their actions. The condition is characterized by behavioral abnormalities, sociopaths are people who show an inability for feeling guilt or empathy and disregard the feelings of other people. Often, they tend to be egocentric and violate moral, social and legal norms. They lack the normal restraints of fear, such as sweating, having a dry mouth and tense muscles, that constrains the behavior of normal people.

Sociopath does not = crazy. That is a common misconception. And it can only be diagnosed if the person in question is truthful. I'm sociopathic myself, but I no better than to tell a potential employer that I'm a sociopath. People immediately think you're going to kill everybody. Most people have some degree of social sicopathy. I doubt you are going to give up your comforts for strangers nor do you lose sleep at night over horros that occur outside your fold of friends and acquaintances.

Thanks for the BS, you troll hard, lol

If we are talking about sociopaths as shorthand for ASPD. Then you are wrong on all counts. If you are talking just about sociopaths, then you are still wrong, DSM-IV doesn't have a diagnosis for "sociopathy" just ASPD, which is a mental disorder. Or were you refering to Dissocial personality disorder? Oh, that is also a mental disorder. Keep practicing your tolling

Modifié par kaiki01, 08 juin 2011 - 08:21 .

[AlanC9]

It's a pity Darkhour muddled this up by bringing in the psychoplath example. It's actually a serious issue.

[Darkhour]

kaiki01 wrote...
 Keep practicing your tolling

So me saying sociopathy does not equal crazy = trolling?

Because that's supoosed to make people mad?

...in what universe?

I think people toss the word "troll" around alittle too easily on this forum. 

Anyway, a lack of empathy is abnormal and it is classified as a disorder, but there is no way to diagnose it other that by responses from the patient. The most famous cases of sociopathy involve violent personalities and yes socipathy makes it easier to simply follow such impulses. But not every sociopath is inherently a ruthless murderer. a simply saying "nope, yall all crazies" doesn't change this fact.

And Saren was definitely a sociopath if the first Mass Effect book and Anderson's story is accepted. 

[ME-ParaShep]

bigSarg wrote...

I think that the paragon/renegade mindset is confusing some people, I think that people see a paragon as a futuristic paladin, which is not really true, a paragon puts the lives of his team and the lives of civilains before the mission, he would rather save lives then complete the mission if it came down to that. A renengade is just the opposite, he completes the mission at all costs, sacrificing a team member or losing a team member or sacrificing a civilian are accepatable losses as long as the mission is complete, but that doesn't mean that he doesn't moarn their loss. I don't see a renegade as a cold blooded killer or a sociopath and I don't see a paragon as a dudley-do-right either. Although a paragon will be more compassonate of a person's feelings where a renegade won't, but that doesn't make a renegade a sociopath or a cold-blooded killer. But remember one thing, Shep is a specter and a specter does what needs to be done no matter what, Shep even said this himself during the LotSB DLC, but that doesn't mean hes specifically a renegade nor a paragon. I always play with equal points in both, so I have more dialogue options available.

This right here is the truth. Seriously, if people don't take what this guy said to be the truth, then something's wrong. To paraphrase what bigSarg said, being a Paragon is about utilizing good morality in all circumstances. Renegades do what is needed to be done no matter what. I suppose people misconceive the Renegade Shepard is being evil because of the facial scars and red eyes in ME 2, but Shepard is still a human with human emotions of having respect, compassion, and empathy. Not caring for others is simply.. inhumane

[Miroslav_s46]

Creid-X wrote...

People stop this already, I get you like to roleplay your character but you *must* understand that if you want a character with more personality than a log you can't have all you want, besides, Shepard never was a first person character like the Warden, he/she is more of a third person character with his/her own principles and world views, you get to choose how he/she approaches situations but you don't control his/her whole personality.

Have to agree with this one, you get to decide what Shepard already got over, being an orphan, losing his parents etc., so he somehow reacts accordingly in certain situations, but we'll ultimately see this in ME3 where he is going to be the savior, and experiment even harder situations that may affect him deeper than in the past games

[frostajulie]

oh my god I think I might be a fangirl I watched the trailer and loved emotive shepard!