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[Sebbe1337o]

I hope that ME3 won't be Origin exclusive, but im 99.9% sure it will.

[OperativeX]

I'll buy ME3 when it's on Steam. If it doesn't go on there i won't buy it at all. I have not even bought BF3 yet because its still Origin only. You will not get my money EA unless you stop ***king over your customers by forcing them to use a buggy/spyware-loaded client.

P.S. your after sales tech support team have no clue what they're doing. They take days to complete simple tasks and some of those tasks never get resolved.

Also, your policy that gets you banned from your Origin games if you get banned from EA forums isn't winning you any battles either.

Modifié par OperativeX, 23 décembre 2011 - 12:33 .

[CenturyCrow]

TheJiveDJ wrote...
Hell, why doesn't EA just go the Apple route and open a store if they want complete control. Go one step further EA; pull all your games out of third party retail outlets! Then you can have all the control you want without those nasty retailers trying to convince your customers to go used.

That's probably the plan. With the Origin store and Origin software, it means EA is not just a publisher, but a distributor. Factor in all the game companies EA has purchased, it does give them a strong base to control a good chunk of the market. And it's not just consoles and PCs, but any electronic platform that can play a game.

TheJiveDJ wrote...
I could see it now, a store for every publisher; EA Store, Ubisoft Store, Activision Store, Blizzard Store.

I think the big gaming corporations are strangling the PC market and the console market may be next. It will be interesting to see how SONY and Microsoft react to EA... unless they are too busy arguing over the console market. But that might change with the next gen consoles. Maybe the market will get divided up by platform considering all the games coming out for phones and tablets.

Usually competition between companies favors the user in price and quality. But just like Apple controls the iPhone and iPad market, each platform could end up with one controlling monopoly which will not benefit the user or even the developers. I think we've passed the golden days of gaming and entered the technology phase. It's likely that the Indie developers will be the ones to keep innovation and the joy of gaming at the top of the list, not trying to control the market and consumer.

Modifié par CenturyCrow, 23 décembre 2011 - 03:32 .

[CarolSephard]

OperativeX wrote...

I'll buy ME3 when it's on Steam. If it doesn't go on there i won't buy it at all. I have not even bought BF3 yet because its still Origin only. You will not get my money EA unless you stop ***king over your customers by forcing them to use a buggy/spyware-loaded client.

P.S. your after sales tech support team have no clue what they're doing. They take days to complete simple tasks and some of those tasks never get resolved.

Also, your policy that gets you banned from your Origin games if you get banned from EA forums isn't winning you any battles either.

I did the same, I want to play BF3 but i won't buy it on Origin. Same goes with ME3, I will buy it when it's on Steam, meanwhile i would have to do something to calm down the hype 

[Izhalezan]

frostajulie wrote...

wait what? I got ME1 and 2 on Steam, they were the first digital games I ever got and I really appreciate having them stored in this manner, how do steam users get screwed? ME3 won't run on steam? but the character import functions don't work unless you get staem versions of all games.

Not true, my me2 isn't on steam and I import just fine.

[AndrewRogue]

You just need to copy the save folders over, right? Although I would love to hear a confirmation that you'll be able to do cross platform save stuff (Origins vs Steam vs Retail), but it shoooouldn't be an issue. Right?

[triggerhippy]

vader da slayer wrote...

Knight486_79 wrote...

How come EA is allowing Direct 2 Drive to sell ME3, but not Steam? D2D is already taking pre-orders for the delux digital download.

thats the thing it isn't EA not putting it on Steam, its Valve not letting EA put it on Steam. Valve changed the DLC policy to state that if you release a game on steam all its related DLC has to go through them as well...

GOOD FOR VALVE.  EA's dlc pricing is a rip off.  As a matter of fact the last ME2 sale on Steam sounded like a good deal until people realized they still needed to pay $20 in overpriced dlc to get the rest of the game.  Why do you think EA hasn't had Bioware release a game of the year version of Mass Effect 2?  They are greedy as hell that's why. They want to be the only one's making money off their overpriced dlc.

I STILL haven't purchased all the ME2 dlc nor will I unless it goes on Steam.  And I did not purchase BF3 due to Origin and won't purchase ME3 if it requires Origin.  EA is trying to compete with Valve in a way they will never win because nobody trusts their greedy nature. I predict an unusually high number of pirated ME3 copies and I don't feel sorry for Bioware or EA. EA asked for it and let's not forget that Bioware's heads Greg Zeschuk and Ray Muzyka BECAME higher ups at EA. They are sell outs.

EDIT: Forgot to mention if Steam sold ME2 dlc they would have had numerous sales on it by now. Good luck waiting for Origin to ever match the pricing of Steam sales.

Modifié par triggerhippy, 24 décembre 2011 - 05:42 .

[Haristo]

playing SWTOR at the moment, bought the game boxed edition, downloaded and installed the game from SWTOR.com... I never had to use anything related to Origin whats'o'ever. I think Digital Deluxe buyers of the game on do can do the exact same thing.

I just don't know what's their point or how it ****ing works... I'm forced to open Origin to play ME2 (free copy, DA2 related back in april) and Alice Madness Returns (boxed too). but not SWTOR.

hell... when I click on my SWTOR icon on Origin, it does not even auto-connect me...

But I digress...

[Captain_Obvious_au]

triggerhippy wrote...

vader da slayer wrote...

Knight486_79 wrote...

How come EA is allowing Direct 2 Drive to sell ME3, but not Steam? D2D is already taking pre-orders for the delux digital download.

thats the thing it isn't EA not putting it on Steam, its Valve not letting EA put it on Steam. Valve changed the DLC policy to state that if you release a game on steam all its related DLC has to go through them as well...

GOOD FOR VALVE.  EA's dlc pricing is a rip off.  As a matter of fact the last ME2 sale on Steam sounded like a good deal until people realized they still needed to pay $20 in overpriced dlc to get the rest of the game.  Why do you think EA hasn't had Bioware release a game of the year version of Mass Effect 2?  They are greedy as hell that's why. They want to be the only one's making money off their overpriced dlc.

I STILL haven't purchased all the ME2 dlc nor will I unless it goes on Steam.  And I did not purchase BF3 due to Origin and won't purchase ME3 if it requires Origin.  EA is trying to compete with Valve in a way they will never win because nobody trusts their greedy nature. I predict an unusually high number of pirated ME3 copies and I don't feel sorry for Bioware or EA. EA asked for it and let's not forget that Bioware's heads Greg Zeschuk and Ray Muzyka BECAME higher ups at EA. They are sell outs.

EDIT: Forgot to mention if Steam sold ME2 dlc they would have had numerous sales on it by now. Good luck waiting for Origin to ever match the pricing of Steam sales.

Absolutely. EA is just chucking a hissy fit because Valve's policy means that EA can't rip off customers with DLC. You know why ME2 DLC went on sale for xbox? Microsoft decided to put it on sale. Not EA. Not Bioware.

I am 100% Valve in this, why should they carry a product where they can only sell part of it whilst customers get shafted by the published?

[didymos1120]

Haristo wrote...

I'm forced to open Origin to play ME2...

No, you're not.  I have the DDE myself.  Just open the install folder and run the launcher or the ME2 executable itself.  Works just fine without having Origin running.

[Gimmy77]

I love Steam, i have all games inside Steam and i use ONLY this system, not other things.

[FERMi27]

Initially, I was sticking to Valve in this problem. Then I thought - maybe, for once, it really isn't EA to blame? Maybe Valve just want more money? After seeing the situation with the Batman Arkham City DLCs though, that went for sale on Steam so fast, and for SUCH a nice price, compared to GFWL, I now change my position for the third and last time.
**** EA, I should've never doubted it's they're fault. They think they're allmighty gods. Guess what? They're not. They gonna get screwed soon enough if they don't change their attitude. I hope the board of directors of EA, seeing how Bioware's heads policy fails as hard as it can, dismisses them, and hires some new one, that will choose to sell DLC with a normal price and regular discounts. The problem with Steam will then solve by itself.

Modifié par FERMi27, 28 décembre 2011 - 10:46 .

[Amyra]

Both parties are at fault.

EA doesn't want to loose any penny from a DLC sale.
and Valve wants to squeeze as much money for every game as posible, requesting part of the DLC sales.

They are both looking for their own interest, there is no good and bad in this scenario, imo.

I don't think ME3 will be available for steam, which sucks. My main problem now is whether or not origin will be required to run the game. I've already ordered a physical copy, and that would suck, to the point where I may have to crack to avoid it.

[Forsythia]

Amyra wrote...

....and Valve wants to squeeze as much money for every game as posible, requesting part of the DLC sales. 

Well, of course Valve wants a piece of the pie, BUT it is a lot more convienent buying your DLC through Steam as well. It's quite ridiculous to have to buy the DLC for Mass Effect and Dragon Age with these dumb BioWare points, on a different website and having to install them all seperately. Fine for the retail release of those games, but as a Steam user I'd rather have them on Steam as well. And don't get me started on the system for Dragon Age: Origins, which doesn't work half the time. Valve at least understands how to make installing DLC as user friendly as possible.

[PnXMarcin1PL]

OperativeX wrote...

I'll buy ME3 when it's on Steam. If it doesn't go on there i won't buy it at all. I have not even bought BF3 yet because its still Origin only. You will not get my money EA unless you stop ***king over your customers by forcing them to use a buggy/spyware-loaded client.

P.S. your after sales tech support team have no clue what they're doing. They take days to complete simple tasks and some of those tasks never get resolved.

Also, your policy that gets you banned from your Origin games if you get banned from EA forums isn't winning you any battles either.

You don't have to buy it in order to play it. Y'know what I mean

[charmingcharlie]

Amyra wrote...

Both parties are at fault.

EA doesn't want to loose any penny from a DLC sale.
and Valve wants to squeeze as much money for every game as posible, requesting part of the DLC sales.

Actually that isn't the reason why Valve changed the terms of service for publishers on Steam.  Valve recognise that the PC is fast becoming a "free to play" environment.  In the past few months valve has opened steam up to many F2P titles this is where you get the base game for free and publishers earn money via DLC/custom items.  Now it doesn't take a genius to see that if Valve allows themselves to be cut out of the DLC then companies can use Valve's services to distribute their game for free and cut Valve out of any revenue from the DLC.  That is why Valve changed the TOS and it has nothing to do with them "wanting to squeeze as much money out of every game as possible".  They are doing what Valve and Steam have always done and that is adapting their service to cater for the way PC gaming is shaping up.

You have to wonder though when you think about it there are literally hundreds of publishers and companies using steam.  There are thousands of games on steam from these companies.  All these companies continue to utilise steam and they have no problem with the new TOS.  The ONLY company that is refusing to play ball with the new TOS is EA and shortly after they took this new stance EA released their rebranded digital download service.

Now if there were more companies leaving Steam because of the change in the TOS I would give EA the benefit of the doubt.  However EA are the ONLY company objecting, hell even Activision (Satan themselves) the greediest company on the planet is perfectly happy to abide by Steams new terms and conditions.

This game won't be on steam because EA will not allow it.  This isn't Steam's fault or Valve's fault it is EA's fault they refuse to use Steam even though hundreds of other companies are quite happy with the new TOS.

Modifié par charmingcharlie, 28 décembre 2011 - 07:01 .

[-N7-Seeker]

The biggest problem whit Origin is that, it can browse your computer's data and send them to third parties. It's in the EULA.

http://www.rockpaper...-more-sinister/

[charmingcharlie]

You might want to cut out the talk about Origin, any discussion of Origin leads threads to be locked and or deleted. So if you want to keep this topic open it is best to steer clear of that sordid subject.

[Amyra]

charmingcharlie wrote...

Amyra wrote...

Both parties are at fault.

EA doesn't want to loose any penny from a DLC sale.
and Valve wants to squeeze as much money for every game as posible, requesting part of the DLC sales.

Now it doesn't take a genious to see that if Valve allows themselves to be cut out of the DLC then companies can use Valve's services to distribute their game for free and cut Valve out of any revenue from the DLC.

cut Valve out of any revenue from the DLC.

That was kinda my point.
you cannot say EA is being greedy for not wanting to loose money, but say that Valve is smart and fantastic for not wanting to loose revenue.

I don't believe any party is evil, I just believe they are both looking for their own interests as a company. The problem is that they are kinda screwing the users.

Also, if I remember correctly minecraft was not available on steam for some reasons that were related to the new terms. So, no, is not just EA.

[charmingcharlie]

Amyra wrote...
That was kinda my point.

No your point was "Valve is being greedy" that is why they want a cut of the everything associated with the game.  All Valve has done is adapt the Steam service to meet the future needs of the PC marketplace.  They are not being greedy.

Amyra wrote... you cannot say EA is being greedy for not wanting to loose money, but say that Valve is smart and fantastic for not wanting to loose revenue.

Yes I can say EA is being greedy (especially after they jacked up the price of the PC version to console levels when the PC does not have a console royalty fee of £10 to cover).   This has nothing to do with EA not wanting to see reduced revenue from the DLC it has everything to do with EA wanting to damage Steam in the Marketplace and get people using their own crap DD service.

I think you will agree with me that Activision takes greed to whole new levels, yet they are perfectly happy with using Steam.  So come on here it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out there is something else behind this other than "EA not wanting to share DLC revenue".

Amyra wrote... I don't believe any party is evil, I just believe they are both looking for their own interests as a company. The problem is that they are kinda screwing the users.

I don't believe EA is evil I never once even used the word.  I do know that looking at Valves history and EA's history well one shows a company that cares about it's customers and tries to adapt it's services to meet it's customers demands the other company is EA.

Amyra wrote.. Also, if I remember correctly minecraft was not available on steam for some reasons that were related to the new terms. So, no, is not just EA.

You remembered incorrectly, firstly Minecraft has not been on steam because it was a Beta (steam does not allow beta's to be sold).  Minecraft is now "released" and Notch is actually reconsidering whether to release Minecraft on Steam.  He did state that certain steam terms meant that some things he wanted to do would be more complicated if the game was on Steam.

But at the end of the day that is just EA and 1 indie company against literally hundreds of company's all using steam and all perfectly happy with steams terms and conditions.  If the TOS was as bad as you and EA are trying to make out then I would at least have thought there would be more of a revolt from these companies wouldn't you ?  Yet so far it has only been EA leaving steam and Notch stating a few "complications" with putting Minecraft on Steam

[Amyra]

I don't want to quote D:

charmingcharlie

I do agree that maybe they are trying to push Origin on us, and me3 seems like a perfect chance because we are already hooked on it. Pushing their service definitely is a big factor as to why they don't want competition on steam, so yes, I agree with you there.

I want the game on Steam, I have both other copies on there. What I don't like is people saying that EA is at all fault here, because we don't know.

I never said Valve was being greedy, I just said that just as they don't want to loose money, as neither does EA.
If you call EA greedy for not wanting to loose money, why can't you use the same logic on Valve?
The explanation we keep hearing about why me3 is not being released on steam is because it has to do with DLC, i'm just going with that explanation.
Neither wants to loose money and EA is the owner of the game, so they'll just take their ball and go home.

the minecraft thingy is new to me, so that shut me up right there....

[BounceDK]

I hate steam. Worthless bloatware.

[charmingcharlie]

Amyra wrote...

I don't want to quote D:

charmingcharlie

I do agree that maybe they are trying to push Origin on us, and me3 seems like a perfect chance because we are already hooked on it. Pushing their service definitely is a big factor as to why they don't want competition on steam, so yes, I agree with you there.

I want the game on Steam, I have both other copies on there. What I don't like is people saying that EA is at all fault here, because we don't know.

Wow a quote from a while back eh, you know people have the ability to change their opinion.  At the time I was quite willing to give EA the benefit of the doubt.  However since that quote EA has carried on with a crap load of "WTF" stuff to PC gamers that any "benefit of the doubt" I had about the company went right out the window a long time ago.  

As it stands only ONE company is having a problem with Steams TOS  now come on here if 1 person said to you "the earth is flat" and a thousand others said "the earth is a sphere" you would have to be off your head to go "oh the earth is flat because that 1 person said so.

Amyra wrote... I never said Valve was being greedy, I just said that just as they don't want to loose money, as neither does EA.

No you inferred Valve were greedy by stating that wanted to "squeeze every last penny".  Valve adapted their TOS to cater for Free 2 Play games (that they distribute free of charge).  In order to cover the costs of distributing the games for free they changed things so they got a cut of the DLC sales.  That isn't Valve trying to "squeeze every penny" that is valve adapting it's steam model to meet the needs of the PC platform and where it is heading.

Amyra wrote...If you call EA greedy for not wanting to loose money, why can't you use the same logic on Valve?

Perhaps because Valve didn't hike up it's PC games by an extra £10 like EA did.  No one wants to lose money but Valve's attempts at earning a crumb are at least half decent compared to the bull EA pulls.

Amyra wrote... The explanation we keep hearing about why me3 is not being released on steam is because it has to do with DLC, i'm just going with that explanation.

Yep the explanation from EA wasn't it, hm yeah they are going to be honest aren't they about the reasons why their games got pulled from steam .  As it stands right now only 1 company has a problem with Steam's TOS so as I said if you want to believe that 1 company over hundreds of others that are using steam just fine then be my guest.

[ARustyFirePlace]

BounceDK wrote...

I hate steam. Worthless bloatware.

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