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[Mann42]

FERMi27 wrote...

Face it, people, if this game won't be available via Steam, you will get it on Origin. And EA knows that.

Not me! They'll just get my money for the Xbox version instead!

Seriously though, EA has been trying to force us to use their horrible store infrastructure for years, and it has always sucked. Their purchase licenses are ridiculously limited while their interface and manager a complete and total joke. I'm not going to support it. I refuse to. Their PC strategy is broken and I won't reward it.

If I can't get ME3++ edition on Steam, but I can get it somewhere that isn't Origin, I will probably get it there. If it is an Origin exclusive, then they have successfully scared me to my console exclusively, as opposed to the last two games where I paid them for everything twice. 

[charmingcharlie]

Stevedroid wrote...
Well we all know why the DDE will be exclusive to Origin.  Because EA is too shortsighted and reactionary to make a service that could legitimately compete with Steam - a service that people will actually want to use - the only way they can "compete" is by essentially holding game content hostage and forcing people to use the service if they want the most content complete versions of games.

You realise pretty much everything you just said applies to Steam as well don't you ?  If you want to buy a Steam game digitally you have to buy it from Steam.  You cannot buy the digital version from any other DD service.  Even if you buy a Valve game from a retail outlet you still have to use steam to play it.

All EA are doing is EXACTLY the same thing that Valve does yet for us PC gamers it is OK for Valve to do it but it isn't OK for EA to do it.  I remember when Steam first started the majority of PC gamers hated it with a vengence but Valve stuck with it and continued to FORCE people to use Steam i.e if you wanted to play their games you had to use Steam.

I understand why people do not like this situation, I think it is unfair but at the end of the day all EA are doing is exactly the same thing Steam does.

[Drasill]

The only DD store that has a chance of pulling me away from Steam is Battle.net when Blizzard makes it into a Steam-like service next year or the year after.

[marshalleck]

I have ME1 and ME2 on Steam. I'll be purchasing ME3 on Steam as well, so I can have the entire trilogy on one platform. I simply will not installing another software platform on my computer; I want all three ME games from one source because it's simpler and you never know when a hard drive might fail and you need to replace everything. Installing a bunch of different programs just to rebuild my game library is not something I'm interested in doing. Sorry EA, Steam has just beaten you to the punch.

[Kanisenar]

I really don't want to have to install another game store system, i'd rather have all my Mass Effect games under Steam. Hopefully EA will take some notice and give Steam ME3 DDE. Still a while until release, anything's possible.

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Stevedroid wrote...

Just FYI, it has been confirmed that Origin will be the only place to get the Digital Deluxe (aka Collector's) edition by Bioware's head of marketing, on his twitter account:

#Origin is the exclusive retailer for the digital CE of #ME3

The fact that he specifically says the CE will be exclusive suggest that the normal version of Mass Effect 3 will be sold at other digital retailers and Steam would certainly have to be one of them.

Well... crud. Not unexpected. Honestly, though, all I care about in the CE other than the game itself are the extra character and the extra mission. If I can get the vanilla game on Steam, but then add the extra character and mission as DLC, I'm perfectly happy. Essentially, I don't care about the extras, just that storyline game content isn't platform (or download service) exclusive. Anything been said about that?

[ink07]

Will Origin even sell other publisher's stuff? Of course not. I don't know how EA thinks they are competing with Steam by doing this, their games will suffer poorer sales (hopefully). Maybe not Battlefield, or SWTOR that as an MMO was going to have its own launcher anyways, but smaller stuff surely.

Meh, EA has been snubbing Steam for a while now, late games, DLC not available through there, some games are not even on the platform. Makes it easier to ignore EA output on PC if anything.

[Bluefuse]

I think retail copies are the way to go here, boys. N7 edition on PC in retail will go on as usual.

[Abirn]

charmingcharlie wrote...

Stevedroid wrote...
Well we all know why the DDE will be exclusive to Origin.  Because EA is too shortsighted and reactionary to make a service that could legitimately compete with Steam - a service that people will actually want to use - the only way they can "compete" is by essentially holding game content hostage and forcing people to use the service if they want the most content complete versions of games.

You realise pretty much everything you just said applies to Steam as well don't you ?  If you want to buy a Steam game digitally you have to buy it from Steam.  You cannot buy the digital version from any other DD service.  Even if you buy a Valve game from a retail outlet you still have to use steam to play it.

All EA are doing is EXACTLY the same thing that Valve does yet for us PC gamers it is OK for Valve to do it but it isn't OK for EA to do it.  I remember when Steam first started the majority of PC gamers hated it with a vengence but Valve stuck with it and continued to FORCE people to use Steam i.e if you wanted to play their games you had to use Steam.

I understand why people do not like this situation, I think it is unfair but at the end of the day all EA are doing is exactly the same thing Steam does.

The only question is will the stupid secur-rom crap still be on the delux edition,  If it is supposed to be like steam then origin should be the DRM instead of all that intrusive crap.

Either I buy it on steam, gamestop or Origin,   In the end I still have to log in to origin to play and EA /Bioware still get my money.

I may as well buy the CE digital edition and get the extra content.  (does anyone know if the dlc is exclusive to the special edition or is it just free with it and you can buy it if you don't have that edition?)

The one thing I CAN control is making sure gamestop doesn't get anymoney which at least is a plus in my book.

[marshalleck]

Bluefuse wrote...

I think retail copies are the way to go here, boys. N7 edition on PC in retail will go on as usual.

Yeah, if they dick around with Steam like they did for DA2 I'll just get a boxed copy. I will not be using Origin under any circumstances.

[StarcloudSWG]

What EA does not, and cannot, understand is that Steam is successful because it carries games from a wide variety of game design houses and publishers. EA seems to be treating Origins as an extension of the EA store. It won't fail, but it wont' be nearly as successful as Steam.

[In Exile]

But Steam started as a service to carry Valve games, no? It took a fair amount of time for them to build up their digital library.

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marshalleck wrote...

Bluefuse wrote...

I think retail copies are the way to go here, boys. N7 edition on PC in retail will go on as usual.

Yeah, if they dick around with Steam like they did for DA2 I'll just get a boxed copy. I will not be using Origin under any circumstances.

You'll have to. I assume that if they are to do this right Origin will be a mandatory install for PC games from now on. (I know you meant the store, but the client will always be there anyways).

I don't mind competition, I mind EA's approach of flingin things to the wall to see what sticks.Years ago it was new IPs for everyone, so that didn't work and we still await a sequel for Mirror's Edge and Dead Space is a multiplayer action game because it didn't hit 5 million copies, then it was no PC games due to piracy so you get console versions ported quickly and no sports franchises on PC, then it was focus everything on consoles to combat used sales with their $10 online pass, then it was social integration everywhere, they even payed a hefty sum for a social apps/games publisher, right now they are all about PC is the future, PC centric development in frostbyte 2 for all games, steam like store, new PC games and we are competing with WoW and CoD.

Then, when all this fails they will just abandon everything again and go to bed with consoles with exclusive content and quick ports that hold back the PC versions, etc.or whatever the next fad is.

Modifié par ink07, 09 juin 2011 - 02:49 .

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Abirn wrote...(does anyone know if the dlc is exclusive to the special edition or is it just free with it and you can buy it if you don't have that edition?)

That's really all I want. A way to buy more stuff from EA while still using Steam. You'd think they'd want that.

[DVACDK]

I wouldn't mind Origins, would hate it as much as GFWL, but would live, as long as it was possible to buy the Digital Deluxe Edition on Steam, instead of forcing us to buy it from them.

Steam or Origins, In the end EA still get the money, so i dont see a reason why it couldn't be on Steam.

The possibility that Origins might be required to run the game, makes it even worse.
If we are going to use Origins either way, i dont see whats wrong in making the Deluxe Edition available on other Digital services aswell.

In the end we would still use Origins....

[Chromie]

Through Steam they get less money...duh.

[Bogsnot1]

I said it in another thread. The reason why its going to be Origin exclusive is there is no way that EA can compete fairly. You know, via Customer Service.
I'll be getting mine hardcopy, and will be returning it should Origin be an install/play requirement.

[Bryy_Miller]

PDesign wrote...

well, maybe together we can convince EA to bring digital edition in steam.

And thus, 50 pages of flames were born.

[DVACDK]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

PDesign wrote...

well, maybe together we can convince EA to bring digital edition in steam.

And thus, 50 pages of flames were born.

People did convice EA to add Need for Speed Hot Pursuit, to Steam by letting their voices be heard.

So i wouldn't doom his opinion, there is always a chance.

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Ringo12 wrote...

Through Steam they get less money...duh.

Money is still money.

Modifié par DVACDK, 09 juin 2011 - 07:11 .

[Autoclave]

Be cursed the the day when Bioware sold their souls and equity to EA. Now your are developer without any sort of ability to decide where your games will be sold. Congrats Bioware! Mass Effect 3 will be the last game I will buy from you if your hated parent company decides to make your titles as Origin Exclusives.

What EA doesn't understand is that no normal self-respecting non-EA game developer will ever want to release their games on Origin. I really hope to see the day when EA will bankrupt.

[Kanisenar]

Really disappointed with EA making this CE Origins exclusive. I'm going to pass on the special extras and wait for the regular or hopefully a Steam special edition of the game. EA's downloadable stuff has caused massive trouble so i'll wait until i can get it from a good store.

[Sanunes]

I have had nothing but trouble from the EA store in the past and I refuse to use their store again no matter how the rename it, I tried Steam and had good customer support better then a physical retailer and that is why I keep buying from them.

I am undecided if I will buy the standard version off Steam or get a physical copy which I haven't done in years. For I really don't buy Collector's Editions anymore for I don't really use the extra content.

[Sweetz]

charmingcharlie wrote...

Stevedroid wrote...
Well we all know why the DDE will be exclusive to Origin.  Because EA is too shortsighted and reactionary to make a service that could legitimately compete with Steam - a service that people will actually want to use - the only way they can "compete" is by essentially holding game content hostage and forcing people to use the service if they want the most content complete versions of games.

You realise pretty much everything you just said applies to Steam as well don't you ?  If you want to buy a Steam game digitally you have to buy it from Steam.  You cannot buy the digital version from any other DD service.  Even if you buy a Valve game from a retail outlet you still have to use steam to play it.

All EA are doing is EXACTLY the same thing that Valve does yet for us PC gamers it is OK for Valve to do it but it isn't OK for EA to do it.

You're absolutely right.  Valve did the same thing to get Steam out in the market - and the market raged then too.

However, Steam has grown to become an extremely good service that encompasses games from all publishers, offers great deals, and adds lots of value with the client itself.  In the intervening years, the market has embraced Steam.

The problem is, at least from my perspective, that's a model that only works once.  Steam had the benefit of being a pioneer.  Steam wasn't competing with other digital distribution stores, it was on the frontier of a new model of game sales.  It was getting consumers to adapt to an all new way of buying games and, you know, sometimes you do need to force consumers into new markets.  Origin is different, EA is trying to force us to use an inferior competing service in the same market.

All they can ever do is play catch-up, especially because the nature of the market is that having one client is the most convenient for consumers.  If I have to maintain a  dozen logins to run a dozen different game clients from every publisher on my machne, I might as well go back to the stone ages of swapping CDs.

I don't think Origin is ever going to be for anything other than EA's games, so by it's very nature it can never really compete with Steam. Many of us have forgiven Valve for forcing us to use Steam because of how great it's become, but I just don't see Origin ever getting to the point where we will accept for forgive their BS, especially because EA's company culture is not Valve's.

Modifié par Stevedroid, 09 juin 2011 - 04:04 .

[Ahglock]

FERMi27 wrote...

Face it, people, if this game won't be available via Steam, you will get it on Origin. And EA knows that.
Though, there is another way of obtaining the game - free of charge. But that is not an option for me, since we're talking about Mass Effect. And I am anyway too used to play the DLC's in time. I guess it sucks waiting until somebody makes a crack and uploads it somewhere. No way am I gonna wait for that.

Nope, I wont get it via origin.  I simply will not put origin on my computer.  5 years from now when they have developed a track record of not being EA, then I would consider it.  

Also the reason to be anti-piracy is because it is stealing.  If I think EA is being a jerk, I just don't spend my money, I don't steal.  Heck chances are people will crack it before it is released, so timing is not really a reason.