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[Ahglock]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

I said it in another thread. The reason why its going to be Origin exclusive is there is no way that EA can compete fairly. You know, via Customer Service.
I'll be getting mine hardcopy, and will be returning it should Origin be an install/play requirement.

Yeah if all verisons require origin, I just wont get it.  I may down the line get it for the PS3 or something but given my saves are on the PC and I have no desire to repurchase the games and DLC I am not sure it would be worth it.  

[SKiLLYWiLLY2]

charmingcharlie wrote...

Stevedroid wrote...
Well we all know why the DDE will be exclusive to Origin.  Because EA is too shortsighted and reactionary to make a service that could legitimately compete with Steam - a service that people will actually want to use - the only way they can "compete" is by essentially holding game content hostage and forcing people to use the service if they want the most content complete versions of games.

You realise pretty much everything you just said applies to Steam as well don't you ?  If you want to buy a Steam game digitally you have to buy it from Steam.  You cannot buy the digital version from any other DD service.  Even if you buy a Valve game from a retail outlet you still have to use steam to play it.

All EA are doing is EXACTLY the same thing that Valve does yet for us PC gamers it is OK for Valve to do it but it isn't OK for EA to do it.  I remember when Steam first started the majority of PC gamers hated it with a vengence but Valve stuck with it and continued to FORCE people to use Steam i.e if you wanted to play their games you had to use Steam.

I understand why people do not like this situation, I think it is unfair but at the end of the day all EA are doing is exactly the same thing Steam does.

"If you want to buy a Steam game digitally you have to buy it from Steam. You cannot buy the digital version from any other DD service. "

What? Of course you can buy games from other DD sites. Sure steam is popular and has a lot of games but many games are available on other DD sites. Even steamworks games (games that require steam) are available on other DD sites. The only real steam exclusive games are Valve games.

And that fact EA "are just doing what Valve are doing" is the very problem. Like someone else said, steam was there first and was a pioneer. Origin is just a copy and isn't offering any benefits over steam. Holding games hostage (like so many like to put it) is not going to make people want to buy games from EA. If EA want people to use their service, they're going to have to come up with something other than a clone.

Modifié par SKiLLYWiLLY2, 09 juin 2011 - 04:33 .

[88mphSlayer]

like others have said if it didn't come to steam i just wouldn't bother

and forcing origin service even if you get it on steam isn't really welcome either, i've yet to enjoy buying a steam game that forced games for windows, having services within services is dumb

at the end of the day i'd probably just skip the PC version if it's not convenient for me

[VoidCabbage]

I'll be getting it on the Xbox... just as thats where my saves are.

But I mean, if the normal version does come out on steam. You don't like Origin... get the normal version from steam(supporting bioware)... then get the exclusive downloads via... other services. If you don't like Origin don't support it. I know I won't.

[Anihilus]

I hope that just the DDE will be origin exclusive. I'm getting a hardcopy, and I don't want Origin on my computer, thanks.

[DVACDK]

Its great to hear peoples opinions, but people please.
See if we can avoid the "From other sources" statements.

You are ofcourse free to talk about your views and opinions, but i would rather have the topic stay open, than being shut down, because people were mentioning "other ways"

Thanks alot everyone for your great input so far.

[charmingcharlie]

SKiLLYWiLLY2 wrote...

What? Of course you can buy games from other DD sites. Sure steam is popular and has a lot of games but many games are available on other DD sites. Even steamworks games (games that require steam) are available on other DD sites. The only real steam exclusive games are Valve games.

That is what I am saying Valve games are Steam only games, if it is a Valve game then you cannot buy that game Digitally from anywhere else except Steam.  So why is it acceptable for Valve to do it but it is not acceptable for EA to do it ?  It isn't just EA either, Impulse do it and so do Blizzard.

SKiLLYWiLLY2 wrote...
And that fact EA "are just doing what Valve are doing" is the very problem. Like someone else said, steam was there first and was a pioneer. Origin is just a copy and isn't offering any benefits over steam. Holding games hostage (like so many like to put it) is not going to make people want to buy games from EA. If EA want people to use their service, they're going to have to come up with something other than a clone.

Ah right so it is acceptable as long as you do it first is it ?  I happen to think it is unacceptable regardless of whether you do it first or not.  As for EA  "holding games hostage" I don't see people screaming that Valve hold games hostage when they make their games exclusive to Steam.

Yes Valve did it first and they have shown that PC gamers are quite happy to let companies "hold games hostage" so why is it a surprise EA are going to try it as well ?  Especially when other companies such as Impulse and Blizzard are doing it as well.

[Anihilus]

Here's an idea. Give those of us who have bought a retail copy a choice

We can choose betweeen a disc check which would mean Origin would not be required
or not a disc check which would mean the game would work via Origin.

Everyone wins.

[FERMi27]

Anihilus wrote...

Here's an idea. Give those of us who have bought a retail copy a choice

We can choose betweeen a disc check which would mean Origin would not be required
or not a disc check which would mean the game would work via Origin.

Everyone wins.

You're so funny. And what about the pirates? They won't even bother lol; make a fake 30KB mdf image, go offline and enjoy ME3 xD

[Anihilus]

...I'm just saying that would be an IDEAL compromise.

Modifié par Anihilus, 09 juin 2011 - 09:30 .

[MDiffenthal]

you do realise that you could buy your physical collectors edition and then register the CD key in Steam? That way you'd have it downloaded to your hard drive like your other steam games (I did this some years ago with another game).

[Vash3283]

charmingcharlie wrote...

SKiLLYWiLLY2 wrote...

What?
Of course you can buy games from other DD sites. Sure steam is popular
and has a lot of games but many games are available on other DD sites.
Even steamworks games (games that require steam) are available on other
DD sites. The only real steam exclusive games are Valve games.

That
is what I am saying Valve games are Steam only games, if it is a Valve
game then you cannot buy that game Digitally from anywhere else except
Steam.  So why is it acceptable for Valve to do it but it is not
acceptable for EA to do it ?  It isn't just EA either, Impulse do it and
so do Blizzard.

SKiLLYWiLLY2 wrote...
And that fact
EA "are just doing what Valve are doing" is the very problem. Like
someone else said, steam was there first and was a pioneer. Origin is
just a copy and isn't offering any benefits over steam. Holding games
hostage (like so many like to put it) is not going to make people want
to buy games from EA. If EA want people to use their service, they're
going to have to come up with something other than a clone.

Ah
right so it is acceptable as long as you do it first is it ?  I happen
to think it is unacceptable regardless of whether you do it first or
not.  As for EA  "holding games hostage" I don't see people screaming
that Valve hold games hostage when they make their games exclusive to
Steam.

Yes Valve did it first and they have shown that PC gamers
are quite happy to let companies "hold games hostage" so why is it a
surprise EA are going to try it as well ?  Especially when other
companies such as Impulse and Blizzard are doing it as well.

What dont you understand about people not wanting multiple login programs on their  computer? Also Blizzard uses a website not a program. I dont know of any exlusive Impulse games either.

Ahglock wrote...

FERMi27 wrote...

Face it, people, if this game won't be available via Steam, you will get it on Origin. And EA knows that.
Though, there is another way of obtaining the game - free of charge. But that is not an option for me, since we're talking about Mass Effect. And I am anyway too used to play the DLC's in time. I guess it sucks waiting until somebody makes a crack and uploads it somewhere. No way am I gonna wait for that.

Nope, I wont get it via origin.  I simply will not put origin on my computer.  5 years from now when they have developed a track record of not being EA, then I would consider it.  

Also the reason to be anti-piracy is because it is stealing.  If I think EA is being a jerk, I just don't spend my money, I don't steal.  Heck chances are people will crack it before it is released, so timing is not really a reason.  

Stealing is removing the original copy. Pirating is making a copy of it for yourself. Just clarifying that for you.

Modifié par Vash3283, 09 juin 2011 - 11:20 .

[Abram730]

In the interests of competition there is room for 2 clients on my PC.

Steam is great so they need to step up with something good.

[Sweetz]

MDiffenthal wrote...

you do realise that you could buy your physical collectors edition and then register the CD key in Steam? That way you'd have it downloaded to your hard drive like your other steam games (I did this some years ago with another game).

Only Valve's own games and select few games from other publishers allow that.  EA games are not among them.

Just think about it for a second - why would Valve let you download a game from their servers (which costs them money) when you originally bought it at retail with none of that sale going to them (except in the case of their own games obivously).

For the few non-Valve games where this is allowed I presume they made some deal with the publisher to compensate them in some way to account for the bandwidth costs of people downloading the game from Steam.

charmingcharlie wrote...

That is what I am saying Valve
games are Steam only games, if it is a Valve game then you cannot buy
that game Digitally from anywhere else except Steam.  So why is it
acceptable for Valve to do it but it is not acceptable for EA to do it
?  It isn't just EA either, Impulse do it and so do Blizzard.

You're right that in a completely objective world we should be just as upset about Valve doing it as we are about EA.  And people definitely were when Steam was first launched.

However, the reality of the situation is that most people have accepted and even embraced Steam at this point.  So being "forced" to use Steam isn't a big deal anymore.  Many of us now choose to shop there anyway, so it's not a big deal when a game is exclusive to a service we'd use regardless.

Origin is not as good as Steam - it never will be by nature of being limited to one publisher's games.  The other problem is that more flavors of game client we have to run, the less convenient it becomes for the consumer.  This is why, subjectively, being "forced" to use Origin at this point is particularly egregious for us.

Ah right so it is acceptable as long as you do it first is it ?

Yup. That is a factor, I'm not going to pretend I treat everything objectively.  Steam does get a break for being the first, the best, and now being generally accepted.  Is that so crazy though?  They took a risk, had a vision and created a market and a new model of buying games that others (like Microsoft) said would never work.  When you literally created the market and established yourself as a lead, you're certainly in a position to engender customer loyalty and be treated more leniently than others just now trying to break into that market.

Modifié par Stevedroid, 10 juin 2011 - 01:42 .

[LenaMarie]

EA can bugger off, I was planning to buy the digital CE but I preordered the Physical CE off Amazon.com so I still get what I want without supporting their garbage platform. Though I suppose I could activate the Physical CE on Origin and get a copy on their for free like that but..

EA has been snubbing Steam for a long time now, hell with Mirrors Edge you cant even get the DLC and install it on the Steam version, its ridiuclious how they obviously hate the PC Platform and bash it every chance they get and focus building games for consoles then all of a sudden notice steam is doing well and half heartedly support PC.

EA wants their cake and eat it too, but its not going to work. 

Modifié par LenaMarie, 13 juin 2011 - 02:56 .

[Awoken Eyes]

Stevedroid wrote...
Only Valve's own games and select few games from other publishers allow that.  EA games are not among them.

Just think about it for a second - why would Valve let you download a game from their servers (which costs them money) when you originally bought it at retail with none of that sale going to them (except in the case of their own games obivously).

For the few non-Valve games where this is allowed I presume they made some deal with the publisher to compensate them in some way to account for the bandwidth costs of people downloading the game from Steam.

This is where your wrong.

Valve letting you download games via their servers doesn't cost them money, Valve makes more money then it loses.
You register your CD-key with Steam and there for, you are granted accces to an "universal copy", this means, you will receive a blank copy that gets installed and registered with the CD-key you entered on registration.

And you are also wrong about EA not being able to register through Steam.
COD: MW2 and COD: Black Ops are registerable via Steam and as far as I know, more EA games will follow in the future. Link
(EA is just too lazy to release universal copies. All they care about is the big green $ sign.)

Non-Valve game studios pay a fee to Steam for publishing and distributing their games, this however, has nothing to do with the download bandwith, everyone gets treated the same, which is the maximum use of the bandwith with strategic download/update servers stationed throughout the world.

Modifié par Awoken Eyes, 14 juin 2011 - 05:20 .

[Sweetz]

Awoken Eyes wrote...
This is where your wrong.

Valve letting you download games via their servers doesn't cost them money, Valve makes more money then it loses.
You register your CD-key with Steam and there for, you are granted accces to an "universal copy", this means, you will receive a blank copy that gets installed and registered with the CD-key you entered on registration.

I'm not sure what you're saying here.  Bandwidth costs money, period.  Everytime you download a game from their servers there's a theorhetical cost associated with that.  Cost for the bandwidth, cost for the hardware and it's upkeep, etc.  Now of course that costs get distributed across million of users and is covered by the the chunk of sales they take from games that are sold on Steam or games that use Steam as their DRM regardless of the format.  And Valve makes money off their own games regardless of where or how they're sold obviously.

And you are also wrong about EA not being able to register through Steam.
COD: MW2 and COD: Black Ops are registerable via Steam and as far as I know, more EA games will follow in the future. Link
(EA is just too lazy to release universal copies. All they care about is the big green $ sign.)

Call of Duty is published by EA?  I bet that's news to Activision...  Before you get such an affinity for declaring "you're wrong" you should make sure you have your own info straight   If you look more carefully I think you'll see there no EA games on that list.

Also, note that many of the games on that list, the COD games among them, use Steam as their DRM and so MUST be activated on Steam.  E.g. even though it's a non-Valve game, when you buy COD:MW2 at retail you must activate on Steam just like you do with Valve's own games - there's no (legitimate) way to play the game without going through Steam.  Same applies to FEAR2, Dawn of War 2, and several other of the big publisher games there.  Obviously there's some sort of agreement with those publishers to use Steam as their universal DRM that goes above and beyond the simple "Valve gets X% for each sale on Steam".

Apart from indie or niche games and afore mentioned games that use Steam as their DRM for all versions, there are not many games from large publishers that you can activate on Steam.  Just think about it rationally for a second:  As said, bandwidth costs money.  Maybe the cost per user is tiny, but still why would Steam let you download a say, 10GB, game from their servers when it was a retail sale they were in no way compensated for?

Anyway, point is, especially now that EA has their own service - there's no chance in hell that they're going to let you activate retail CD keys on Steam.  On Origin, sure, but definitely not on Steam which is essentially their main competitor.  So basically, you're wrong

Modifié par Stevedroid, 14 juin 2011 - 09:00 .

[88mphSlayer]

charmingcharlie wrote...

SKiLLYWiLLY2 wrote...

What? Of course you can buy games from other DD sites. Sure steam is popular and has a lot of games but many games are available on other DD sites. Even steamworks games (games that require steam) are available on other DD sites. The only real steam exclusive games are Valve games.

That is what I am saying Valve games are Steam only games, if it is a Valve game then you cannot buy that game Digitally from anywhere else except Steam.  So why is it acceptable for Valve to do it but it is not acceptable for EA to do it ?  It isn't just EA either, Impulse do it and so do Blizzard.

SKiLLYWiLLY2 wrote...
And that fact EA "are just doing what Valve are doing" is the very problem. Like someone else said, steam was there first and was a pioneer. Origin is just a copy and isn't offering any benefits over steam. Holding games hostage (like so many like to put it) is not going to make people want to buy games from EA. If EA want people to use their service, they're going to have to come up with something other than a clone.

Ah right so it is acceptable as long as you do it first is it ?  I happen to think it is unacceptable regardless of whether you do it first or not.  As for EA  "holding games hostage" I don't see people screaming that Valve hold games hostage when they make their games exclusive to Steam.

Yes Valve did it first and they have shown that PC gamers are quite happy to let companies "hold games hostage" so why is it a surprise EA are going to try it as well ?  Especially when other companies such as Impulse and Blizzard are doing it as well.

i didn't like it when Blizzard did it either with games like Starcraft 2, so i bought the hard copies instead

and i didn't start using Steam for Valve games, i started using steam for 3rd party games and still use it 99% of the time for non-valve games, i'd imagine this is the case for most people

[bmwcrazy]

Awoken Eyes wrote...

And you are also wrong about EA not being able to register through Steam.
COD: MW2 and COD: Black Ops are registerable via Steam and as far as I know, more EA games will follow in the future. Link

The only games published or made by EA that let you register the keys on Steam are Half Life 2, HL2 Episodes and the Orange Box.

[Sailears]

MDiffenthal wrote...

you do realise that you could buy your physical collectors edition and then register the CD key in Steam? That way you'd have it downloaded to your hard drive like your other steam games (I did this some years ago with another game).

If only...

I'm happy with steam; I don't want to have another DD client installed.
Part of that is the convenience of having everything in one folder, easily transferrable between machines, and easy to back up. Having origin as well will just create a virtual mess (I like my data archived neatly), and I may as well just have physical copies of everything and install them manually.

[LordPaul256]

FERMi27 wrote...

Face it, people, if this game won't be available via Steam, you will get it on Origin. And EA knows that.

No, I really will not.

[StefanBW]

I just learned that Crysis 2 is pulled from Steam... The EA overlords are coming.

[EternalPink]

I started a thread asking about this as well, hopefully pre-order will appear near release date.

I know they probably have to give steam a cut for them to sell it but having it downloadable off someone elses servers either reducing work load or allowing other customers that have purchased direct to get better download speeds would compensate i'd have thought and marketting to obvious potential customers (when you have a TV ad you have no choice of audience, if it appears on steam its being seen by gamers with internet connection)

I use steam for two main reasons, one it automatically updates games and my graphics drivers and two i have all my games recoverable when my PC dies as they have a tendacy to do after awhile so unless EA's digital version offer those two things i might as well just wait for it to go reduced and get it off amazon uk and have a DVD i can store/loose

Modifié par EternalPink, 14 juin 2011 - 11:13 .

[SKiLLYWiLLY2]

stefanbw wrote...

I just learned that Crysis 2 is pulled from Steam... The EA overlords are coming.

Saw that thread too. Sure hope it's not the start of EA pulling games from steam to try and force people to switch to their non-benificial service...