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[Jonathan Shepard]

Not to be offensive, (okay, maybe a little) but I raise the finger to most services like Steam and Origin. They always mess up, there's always some glitch, and the credit card companies seem to HATE anything purchased as a digital download. Physical copies are the way to go, imho. It's a lot cooler to hold and examine an illustration in the highest quality possible with an art book than to just look at a pdf. I understand some people need space, but really, I've always found space to stash my physical copies of CD's and video games. Besides- you can back up physical copies quite easily. Not so much when you're just streaming a game from a client. Also, I want control of the game I purchased. If I can't login, then I can't play? BS! As far as I know, I've never NEEDED to be logged into my EA account to play either Mass Effect. Sure, it brought me the CDN, but I could just read that online.

Just saying- Physical copies have always (and hopefully) will always be the way to go. Otherwise, exclusivity crap like this happens, and then the publishers/developers get power/money crazy with exclusive content/dlc (which a lot of people are still cranky over) and you still have to pay the same price, despite the face you're not getting any of the physical manufactured goods. It's a rip-off in every sense. I suggest not supporting Origin and just buying the physical copy.

[sicbot]

Jonathan Shepard, you are so so so wrong. Times are changing and there will be a time when selling games in a store will be a thing of the past. Right now publishers and developers lose money because of places like gamestop, where you can sell old copies of games and get store credit to used copies of games.

Publishers want nothing more then to kill that as fast as possible. This is just the first steps in that direction. As the internet gets faster and hard drives get bigger we will see download only at some point. Might not be for another 10 years, maybe even another three home console generations or more, but it will happen.

On that note, I really would rather not have origins installed on my computer...I'm hoping we can get at a point where developers don't need publishers like EA, and they can just get publish games on platforms like XBLA, PSN, and Steam.

But for now, I'm ok with a small app that just checks that I own the digital rights like Ubisoft did with AC2: Brotherhood. It was not that intrusive, but it did screw me up when their server when offline and I lost the last 30min of my game...but its better then being forced to install a DDN just for ONE publisher.

Modifié par sicbot, 15 juin 2011 - 01:35 .

[ScepticMatt]

If ME3 isn't on Steam, I'll may buy it on Retail, or when the price drops.

Sorry, but Origin just isn't ready IMO, and EA hasn't exactly earned my trust.

[charmingcharlie]

I have to say with the news that EA just yanked Crysis 2 off Steam it would be silly to expect to see any version of Mass Effect 3 on steam.  This is "unfortunate" for EA and Bioware, I really hope they aren't planning to sell many copies of ME 3 on the PC  .

I personally always planned to go retail with this final chapter of Shepards story but I had hoped at some point to buy a second copy to sit alongside my copy of Mass Effect 1 and Mass Effect 2 on steam.  I guess that won't happen now so thanks EA you saved me money.

[Jonathan Shepard]

sicbot wrote...

Jonathan Shepard, you are so so so wrong. Times are changing and there will be a time when selling games in a store will be a thing of the past. Right now publishers and developers lose money because of places like gamestop, where you can sell old copies of games and get store credit to used copies of games.

Publishers want nothing more then to kill that as fast as possible. This is just the first steps in that direction. As the internet gets faster and hard drives get bigger we will see download only at some point. Might not be for another 10 years, maybe even another three home console generations or more, but it will happen.

On that note, I really would rather not have origins installed on my computer...I'm hoping we can get at a point where developers don't need publishers like EA, and they can just get publish games on platforms like XBLA, PSN, and Steam.

But for now, I'm ok with a small app that just checks that I own the digital rights like Ubisoft did with AC2: Brotherhood. It was not that intrusive, but it did screw me up when their server when offline and I lost the last 30min of my game...but its better then being forced to install a DDN just for ONE publisher.

I'm not "wrong," but I do understand the way I like things is changing. I just hate digital client services, mostly because of screw-ups like the one you had. But hey, if people don't support digital-downloads, then the publishers don't make any money on the service, and so they scrap it. Fight the good old fashioned way with a boycott. It probably won't work, but I HIGHLY doubt physical copies will go extinct. I mean, hell, we've been able to buy digital books for years, and bookstores aren't as numerous as before, but there's been no sign of physical books themselves going away completely either. 
If a decade from now I have to buy games from the publisher's website/download-service, then I'd still rather have the physical copy; as a mostly-PC gamer, I don't trade games in. They don't exactly allow you to do that, so that argument doesn't really apply. I don't buy Xbox-360 games unless I REALLY want them or until they're about $20. I still make an effort to buy the un-used coppies if gamestop has them. I've had a couple of instances where the game wouldn't run the first couple times... Gears of War, and I believe The Darkness...?
Anyway. Physical copies are still a superior product in my opinion; even if it's only in the eyes of the consumer.

[Fossil_Genera]

Steam or retail, I'm playing it on launch day. I wouldn't mind picking up a physical copy, but having it through Steam is just so more convenient. Its nice to have the game running on your HDD without a CD whizzing in your disc drive. (Unless a no-CD crack comes out) I would like the game linked to my account so I can log hours, get updates, and read the latest news about the game in Steam, but these little things don't really matter that much in the big picture. We're still getting the game one way or another.

[Sweetz]

Besides- you can back up physical copies quite easily. Not so much when you're just streaming a game from a client. Also, I want control of the game I purchased. If I can't login, then I can't play?

I don't know about other download services, but it's actually much easier to backup Steam games than physical copies.  You're not "streaming" the game, it's installed to your hard drive in the exact same manner as the disc version.  It's not even encrypted or anything, it just sticks the game's install folder under your Steam folder.  As far as backing up - you just right click on a game in Steam's menu and select "Backup" and it creates a single compressed file and a (re) installer for the game.  A lot easier than trying to mess around with utilities to defeat disc-based copy protection.

As far as not being able to play if you can't log in, Steam has an offline mode if your net connection is down or whatever.  It used to be somewhat problematic but it works fine now.

I can completely understanding wanting an art book in physical reality, but when we're talking about regular, non-CE versions of games - being able to hold a cheap plastic box and a plastic platter doesn't do much for me, I don't get the affinity some have for that.

Steam is nearly ubiquitous in the market and generally accepted.  Origin can not compete with them on any level, be it price, features, quality of support, etc.  The number one catagory it can't compete in though is selection.  Having a download service that's only for one publisher's games is silly.  They should have just worked with Steam on getting better margins instead of setting up their own service.

[Jonathan Shepard]

Stevedroid wrote...

Besides- you can back up physical copies quite easily. Not so much when you're just streaming a game from a client. Also, I want control of the game I purchased. If I can't login, then I can't play?

I don't know about other download services, but it's actually much easier to backup Steam games than physical copies.  You're not "streaming" the game, it's installed to your hard drive in the exact same manner as the disc version.  It's not even encrypted or anything, it just sticks the game's install folder under your Steam folder.  As far as backing up - you just right click on a game in Steam's menu and select "Backup" and it creates a single compressed file and a (re) installer for the game.  A lot easier than trying to mess around with utilities to defeat disc-based copy protection.

Okay, well consider me proven wrong on that point!

As far as not being able to play if you can't log in, Steam has an offline mode if your net connection is down or whatever.  It used to be somewhat problematic but it works fine now.

I can completely understanding wanting an art book in physical reality, but when we're talking about regular, non-CE versions of games - being able to hold a cheap plastic box and a plastic platter doesn't do much for me, I don't get the affinity some have for that.

Steam is nearly ubiquitous in the market and generally accepted.  Origin can not compete with them on any level, be it price, features, quality of support, etc.  The number one catagory it can't compete in though is selection.  Having a download service that's only for one publisher's games is silly.  They should have just worked with Steam on getting better margins instead of setting up their own service.

Last time I tried was when my brother got Modern Warfare 2... so maybe the service is better now when it comes to playing offline. Still, I never had to install the game, just steam onto my computer and use his account. The most irritating thing of all would have to be the extra time it took for my computer to start up though, heh. Simply because steam wanted to start up automatically. I'd assume there was an option to turn that off, but since I was only on it to play MW2... I never bothered to check. 

Ah, maybe I'm just getting old. 

[Clonedzero]

EA is trying way too hard with way too many battles.

origin vs steam. this one is a no brainer. steam is brilliant. forcing people to use a second rate download service like origin is what makes piracy seem like a good idea.

BF3 vs. CoD, while i am looking forward to BF3 alot, they shouldnt really try and directly market it as a competitor to CoD since they're very different style of shooters.

SW:TOR vs. WoW. meh at both, but theres no way they're taking down WoW. its just too big.

forcing people to use origin is just going to alienate and annoy PC gamers.

[YuriMk.III]

So I opened up that digital deluxe edition page at origin dot com.
50$ for ME3 CE might be reasonable, BUT:
what's with: 'exclusive digital lithography 4x6'?

How can a lithography be digital?

Also what about a physical version of CE? Is it available for preorder, etc.?

[Bogsnot1]

YuriMk.III wrote...

So I opened up that digital deluxe edition page at origin dot com.
50$ for ME3 CE might be reasonable, BUT:
what's with: 'exclusive digital lithography 4x6'?

How can a lithography be digital?

Also what about a physical version of CE? Is it available for preorder, etc.?

Its called wallpaper in normal computing circles. <_<

[Clonedzero]

also, there are actually a bunch of EA / bioware games still on steam.

the only one i know of thats been taken off is crysis 2.

Dead Space 2, Battlefield badcompany 2, dragon age 1 & 2, Mass effect 1 & 2, Need for Speed: hot pursuit. the sims, ect. are all still up.

so if i can get the standard copy of ME3 on steam ill be a happy camper. i dont care about deluxe copies.

[StingingVelvet]

I hope it is a digital exclusive on Origin. Steam is too big, it needs to lose some ground.

[AngryFrozenWater]

If it has been confirmed that the PC requires Origin to run EA games then I am likely not to buy their titles. If that is the case then I assume it is just another DRM with useless additional features to hide its main purpose. I would be disappointed, because I was looking forward to BF3 and ME3. But I can do without. I've done the same with Ubisoft and feel that I didn't loose much there either. Their console ports didn't make want to change my mind. But what's more: I don't like to be treated as a thief by forcing intrusive DRM schemes on me.

I can live with Steam. It too can be used for DRM, but I can switch that off when I am not online. Steam also allows me to buy titles from different companies and is not limited to EA. So far their service is OK. Problems I had were resolved to my satisfaction. Their software has been tweaked over the years, is updated often and adds features requested by users. I also have Impulse. I don't want yet another client.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 15 juin 2011 - 07:05 .

[Chimaera357]

YuriMk.III wrote...

So I opened up that digital deluxe edition page at origin dot com.
50$ for ME3 CE might be reasonable, BUT:
what's with: 'exclusive digital lithography 4x6'?

How can a lithography be digital?

Also what about a physical version of CE? Is it available for preorder, etc.?

Just a clarification, the DDE and CE for ME3 on Origin are both $79.99.

Also, the Origin link on the main ME3 website lists the different versions they have available for pre-order. store.origin.com/store/ea/en_US/html/pbPage.me3_US/ (at least for the States...)
Those being: Digital Deluxe, Digital Standard, PC CE "packaged", Standard PC "packaged", Xbox 360 CE, Xbox 360 standard, PS3 CE, and PS3 Standard.

Modifié par Chimaera357, 15 juin 2011 - 07:31 .

[Interactive Civilian]

YuriMk.III wrote...

So I opened up that digital deluxe edition page at origin dot com.
50$ for ME3 CE might be reasonable, BUT:
what's with: 'exclusive digital lithography 4x6'?

You are lucky. I can't even read the frakking Origin store pages. Why? Because I live in Thailand, and EA seems incapable of designing an international site where the user can choose their language of choice. The entire site is in Thai and there is NO option anywhere to change it to English.


Because, obviously my IP address determines more about my language ability than me, myself, and I do.
<_<

I *might* have even been willing to give Origin the benefit of the doubt, but if I can't even read the site to know for sure that I am ordering what I want to order and know the license conditions under which it is being ordered, then there isn't a chance in hell I'll use the service.

In this day and age, there is no excuse to have international sites without multi-lingual support.

If ME3 is an Origin only release, then sadly, I probably won't get it. Bioware, please, if you want my money, then convince your masters to put the game on Steam. Thank you.

(and, no, trying to manually go to another version of the site, like the US version, does not work; it automagically redirects back to the Thai site no matter what)

Modifié par Interactive Civilian, 15 juin 2011 - 07:35 .

[Captain Victory]

Stevedroid wrote...

Steam is nearly ubiquitous in the market and generally accepted.  Origin can not compete with them on any level, be it price, features, quality of support, etc.  The number one catagory it can't compete in though is selection.  Having a download service that's only for one publisher's games is silly.  They should have just worked with Steam on getting better margins instead of setting up their own service.

Mostly this. It's what I agree with. Mostly.

I could rattle on and on about how unattractive the concept of two separate game clients on one PC is; I could go on and on, ceaselessly bemoaning the lack of customer support/empathy/real-life breathing humans EA maintains whilst mircaulously keeping their heads above the water financially (heck, as a non sequitur I could even cry some more about BioWare selling out to EA).

In the end, it all depends on what makes sense to me, and, for better or worse, Steam - and my love/hate relationship with the program - makes sense. I have over 100 games, from several different developers, collected over two years (three years to the day, come November 27, 2011). It's convenient, almost to a fault; I log in, it auto-downloads/installs my updates, it tells me what games my friends have purchased/played, it has its own integrated (and, in my opinion, functional, and highly-effective) social networking setup, I can install/uninstall any one of my 100-or-so games with the press of a single button hassle-free, all my DLC (with a few exceptions) is automatically installed once I purchase it, and God help me it has some of the best package deals I've ever seenever - have you seen the midweek madness sales?! Madness! For me and  my (formerly tight-knit, ever-expanding) group of friends: it's the ultimate gaming platform. For nearly three years, Steam has earned my begrudging respect, and has a very special place on my C: drive on this computer and every computer I ever have the privelege to own and operate in the future.

Of course, all of the above is highly subjective (and wholly anecdotal), but I feel it is necessary to illustrate something that cannot be denied or percieved in any light other than objectivity: Origin has not given me and compelling reason to support them over Steam. Not as a gamer, not as a consumer, and certainly not as someone comfortable with the convenience, networking opportunities, and all-around accessibility of my current DD provider. In fact, the only thing EA/Origin has done that bears any semblance of an attempt to secure my patronage is inform me that the only way for me to acquire a digital copy of ME3's DDE (and heavily imply that it may be the only way to acquire a digital copy of ME3 at all, considering the recent development with Crysis 2) is to purchase it through Origin's platform. I can't speak for anyone else, but to me, that's not very compelling.

Regardless of my feelings on the subject, I'll ultimately end up purchasing ME3. There's no way I can't. I'm hooked. I simply hope that I'll be able to purchase a copy of it off of Steam (and purchase anything I missed out on from Bioware's Social Network Store), if not, I'll just go and grab a physical copy. No real skin off my back. I simply refuse to be coerced into supporting an inferior product because some hotshot sycophant at EA got the funding necessary to employ a graphic designer with a nifty orange circle logo.

Edit: I forgot my non sequitur...

*ahem*

And all of the above is insurmountable proof that Bioware should have never sold out to EA. Ugh.

Modifié par Captain Victory, 15 juin 2011 - 08:03 .

[Destructo-Bot]

Sorry fellas, but angst on the forum is not likely to accomplish anything. Submit feedback directly to EA through their customer service representatives if you'd like even the remote possibility to effect change.

http://support.ea.com/

Unless you just feel like venting, then go nuts

Modifié par Destructo-Bot, 15 juin 2011 - 08:05 .

[Vellen]

I don't see EA games being exclusive to Origin being any different to Valve games being exclusive to steam.

Stop being fan boys

[ewauksonian]

Considering that I already bought the first two through download, I'll probably do it again. I don't recall getting taxed, or at least, not a whole lot. That's a biggie for me.

Of course, if there is no Collector's edition online, then I'm going retail box.

[vader da slayer]

ok Im going to sound kinda harsh here (mods/bw employees pls forgive) but not trying to be as harsh as I may sound. so with that.... are you guys for real? you are sitting here complaining that a game will probably not be on one service for the sole fact that you would have to log into a different service than the one you use most often? thats like complaining about having to use 2 different email clients to view you personal/school email (I do). it isn't a big hassel at all it takes like 5 seconds to load up those clients anyway (and you can set most to load up and be ready to go on start up).

while I will say that Steams ability to update all your drivers (only real reason I have it) is very nice and its fluidity is great, Im pretty sure EA is going to have pretty much all the same features as all current Steam users have now.

like I don't see a problem with it being origin exclusive (if it really is) at all. like holy cow you may need to use up another couple hundred megabites of HDD space and take 5 seconds extra to login to that client.

also Captain Victory, when you are bought out (you being a company) its hard not to "sell out"

[zweistein_J]

although i have preordered the collector's edition, i will for sure buy the digital delux for steam too.
my Steam game list is what i always want.

[Pixieking]

Just to add my name to those who would really really really like Mass Effect 3 on Steam. The first 2 games are on my Steam account, it makes sense to get the third there as well.

And for any EA executives reading this:

If it's not on Steam, I'll buy it on Amazon (where it will be cheaper than Origin), and activate it on Origin. Looking at Battlefield 3's price on Origin, I expect ME3 will be as expensive there, and I'm just not paying that much for it on something that isn't Steam. Especially when it's cheaper elsewhere.

[Pixieking]

vader da slayer wrote...

Im pretty sure EA is going to have pretty much all the same features as all current Steam users have now.

Thing is, Crysis 2 is apparently now "exclusive" to Origin. So, let's compare Origin - as it is now - to Steam.

Which is better?

I'm gonna go with Steam.

Fair fair, Origin might improve by the time ME3 is released, but the fact is, EA are trying to bully people into using Origin - through digital exclusives - rather than trying to make Origin as good as Steam. Which... Well, as a consumer, I resent these tactics, even though I don't give a monkey's about Crysis 2.

And that's not even starting on the prices of Origin compared to Steam.

[FDrage]

Personally I don't like digital only distribution and Steam has become way too big just as any other company & service. Overall that isn't good, so I don't have an issue with that, specifically as at present it only seems to be the "collectors" edition involved.

I had plenty of games which I refused to play because it "required" steam (steam only) and it didn't give me any other choice as a DRM method.

Origin is just the same in the end, so I can hardly get upset of EA tries the same and doesn't want to rely soley on a 3rd party. That is just smart business sense from their perspective and having a specific edition exclusive to that service (note not the all editions) is just part of the same ...