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[Azjurai]

Happily in the camp of the retail version here as well. Not that I have anything major against sites like Steam (or any other download site), but people need to realize one small thing there - many countries don't exactly have nice internet caps. The 'download is the future of PC gaming' thing is nice if you're in a country with near-infinite (or no fair-use policy) draws, not so much when you're not. Besides, no physical copy means no nice shelf of art books, wall of real posters and box of tin-cases :3

Here in NZ for instance, a 10gig game is going to take somewhere around 30-50% of the 'average' users cap, and adding anything on top can be a tad pricy. It sort of makes retail versions a much better alternative (better than new game $90-$120 + $30-$40 for more netcap) to anything digital.

I do have games from Steam of course. 100% hate for buying a retail game that forces me to sign up to their craptacular services (or GFWL) in order to use a retail copy. Will buy and install the game on day one when there's no alternative, but I've nothing against nabbing the Steam/GFWL sort of 'bypasses' the day they're out either if I've got my retail box next to me.

If anything, I'm hoping ME3 never gets to Steam (although I don't hold out much hope there). If only because it's one less popular game on the service and one less incentive for other publishers to force people to use it in the future.

[Captain Victory]

vader da slayer wrote...

also Captain Victory, when you are bought out (you being a company) its hard not to "sell out"

That was an intentional non sequitur.

As to the other, more interesting statements being made concerning this whole fandango... well, I'd like to think that nobody is as upset as everybody thinks everybody else is. Look at me, for example, sure, the subjct piqued my interest enough that after I heard the news about the exclusive release I did a google search, found this thread, and posted my opinion - colored though it may be by my preference for the Steam client.

But, despite my preferences (and here I go sounding like a broken, but very groovy record), inevitably, I'm still going to buy the game. If I can get ME3 vanilla on Steam (which, realistically, I believe I will be able to do), and purchase all of its subsequent DLC (which I assume will have the extra character, missions, etc. a la Cerberus Network & Zaeed) through Bioware Social, well, that's awesome. If not - then I'll get a hardcopy. S'all good.

[BounceDK]

Good! Valve needs much more competition.

[Yzzid]

I have far too many games on Steam to change it for yet another software manager. And i don't want both.

So i'll buy ME3 on Steam if it's on it. Giving that Crysis 2 was pulled, i'm pessimistic. If it's not on steam, i'll buy retail.

But if Origin is mandatory, i won't buy at all. EA's loss.

[Clonedzero]

Vellen wrote...

I don't see EA games being exclusive to Origin being any different to Valve games being exclusive to steam.

Stop being fan boys

i own one valve game. half-life 2. i havent played that in like 3-4 years?
i use steam because its an absolutely brilliant survice that helps me organize and control all my PC games in an easy and well made thing. all my PC games are on steam, the functionality of it is what makes me want ME3 on steam.

the consistancy of having all my PC games on steam is great. i can access all my games, install, uninstall, reinstall, autopatch, access forums, friends lists, screenshots, chat, ect. all from one thing.

trying to force origin on everyone isnt going to end up well. hopefully they realize this before ME3 comes out. now if origin was a better survice and offered a huge range of publishers and games rather than just EA ones, and i had all my games on it, then sure i'd use that instead. but thats not hte case.

im not a valve fanboy, they make ok games but no valve game would make my top ten games list, or even top 20 for that matter, but i am a huge fan of steam, simply because its so damn convienent and such a great survice. steam EARNED my loyalty.

so yeah, ill be extremely annoyed if ME3 isnt on steam, same thing with BF3 actually.

[YuriMk.III]

Interactive Civilian wrote...

YuriMk.III wrote...

So I opened up that digital deluxe edition page at origin dot com.
50$ for ME3 CE might be reasonable, BUT:
what's with: 'exclusive digital lithography 4x6'?

You are lucky. I can't even read the frakking Origin store pages. Why? Because I live in Thailand, and EA seems incapable of designing an international site where the user can choose their language of choice. The entire site is in Thai and there is NO option anywhere to change it to English.


Because, obviously my IP address determines more about my language ability than me, myself, and I do.
<_<

I *might* have even been willing to give Origin the benefit of the doubt, but if I can't even read the site to know for sure that I am ordering what I want to order and know the license conditions under which it is being ordered, then there isn't a chance in hell I'll use the service.

In this day and age, there is no excuse to have international sites without multi-lingual support.

If ME3 is an Origin only release, then sadly, I probably won't get it. Bioware, please, if you want my money, then convince your masters to put the game on Steam. Thank you.

(and, no, trying to manually go to another version of the site, like the US version, does not work; it automagically redirects back to the Thai site no matter what)

Yeah, if I open any american or thai link it would redirect me to russian version due to my IP.
That is quite annoying, IP redirection without any prompts or warnings is kind of lame.

Anyway, so far pricing for glorious motherland is:
ME3 Digital: $33.33
ME3 Digital Deluxe: $50.00

[Meebsy]

I should be so lucky. Double those prices and you have Australian pricing.

[Pepper4]

YuriMk.III wrote...
Anyway, so far pricing for glorious motherland is:
ME3 Digital: $33.33
ME3 Digital Deluxe: $50.00

This is the pricing for Russia???

[viverravid]

BounceDK wrote...

Good! Valve needs much more competition.

Being only available on one service does not competition make.

If Origin versions were cheaper and had more swag, great. Then it would be a tradeoff between my preference for a single client from a company I trust and value for money.

But as of today whole games, not just CE versions, are being pulled from Steam (Crysis2). Other new releases are not being offered there at all (Alice) (but are still on d2d, gamersgate etc).

[Clonedzero]

from a buisness perspective i doubt it even makes much sense to make it origin exclusive. they'd lose alot of buisness that way.

it'd be like them not selling ME3 at wal-mart.

[Pepper4]

I think I might wait a few monthes until EA realizes that Origin is a failure and  allow purchase of ME3 from Steam.

[Interactive Civilian]

Pepper4 wrote...

YuriMk.III wrote...
Anyway, so far pricing for glorious motherland is:
ME3 Digital: $33.33
ME3 Digital Deluxe: $50.00

This is the pricing for Russia???

What are the American prices?

I can at least read the prices on the Thai site, even if I can't read anything else:

ME 3 Digital : 799 baht = $26.19
ME3 N7 DDE: 1790 baht = $58.67

[SKiLLYWiLLY2]

Pretty sure NA prices are:

Standard edition - $59.99
CE/DDE edition - $79.99

[Pepper4]

Interactive Civilian wrote...

Pepper4 wrote...

YuriMk.III wrote...
Anyway, so far pricing for glorious motherland is:
ME3 Digital: $33.33
ME3 Digital Deluxe: $50.00

This is the pricing for Russia???

What are the American prices?

I can at least read the prices on the Thai site, even if I can't read anything else:

ME 3 Digital : 799 baht = $26.19
ME3 N7 DDE: 1790 baht = $58.67

Americans pay 60 bucks for the regular edition, 80 for the DD.
Israelies, like me, pay 50 euros for the regular edition, & 70 euros for the DD, which is about +35% than what the Americans pay. (and thats is a shame because Steam allowes me to buy with american pricing).

I guess only the Aussies pay more than we do...

Modifié par Pepper4, 15 juin 2011 - 10:57 .

[STG]

If ME3 is an Origin exclusive then I'm not buying it, simple as that. I love Mass Effect, I really do but I won't be forced into Origin by cheap tactics. If I have to wait a year to see ME3 on Steam then so be it.

[Interactive Civilian]

Wow! I had no idea that Thailand was getting such a deal. Now, if only I could read the fine print. I'd probably consider going ahead and getting it if I could do that.

[Pixieking]

Terms and conditions you say? Why certainly, I say.

Or, almost... C&P'ing the entirety might be taking the mickey somewhat, but I'll highlight something here:

"If you have not used your
Entitlements or Account for twenty four (24) months or more and your
Account has associated Entitlements, your Entitlements will expire and
your Account may be cancelled for non-use.  Once you have
redeemed your Entitlements, that content is not returnable,
exchangeable, or refundable for other Entitlements or for cash, or other
goods or services."

(from http://tos.ea.com/le...TERMS/US/en/PC/ )

I'm fairly certain that Steam doesn't have such a restrictive limit to account usage. What's that, you haven't logged into your account for 2 and a half years because you've been travelling around the world? (which isn't an unlikely situation). Oh, sorry, your games have been revoked, with no refund.

Also, note the wording. Entitlements are what it calls DLC and pre-order items. Your entitlements will expire. Your account may be cancelled.

Modifié par Emoking, 15 juin 2011 - 12:53 .

[FDrage]

I'd be surprise of Steam hasn't got any kind of restriction for inactive users, just wouldn't make sense for them to not be able to restrict their Database growth.
Beside one could probably always hide behind "the service can be terminated without prior notice ... " formulation etc,

Beside considering that a lot of PC titles which use Steam as a DRM are effectively Steam exclusive even if you can buy it from other sources (only now about retail versions) then Steam, e.g. FO3 or Dawn of War II or Civilization V one hasn't got much of a choice either, beside steam or not playing. So I'm not overly fussed that a specific edition is non-steam exclusive and atm we are only talking about a specific edition iirc, or ?

[TSC_1]

FDrage wrote...

So I'm not overly fussed that a specific edition is non-steam exclusive and atm we are only talking about a specific edition iirc, or ?

No, the concern is that ME3 won't be on Steam at all.

Really, I think a lot of the angst here is just coming from the fact that no one is telling us anything. If EA would just come out and say "Yeah, ME3 isn't going to be on Steam," I'd be happier. I could at least plan my purchase that way. Right now I'm in limbo, not wanting to pre-order anything just in case it does come to Steam.

[Mann42]

Emoking wrote...

Terms and conditions you say? Why certainly, I say.

Or, almost... C&P'ing the entirety might be taking the mickey somewhat, but I'll highlight something here:

"If you have not used your
Entitlements or Account for twenty four (24) months or more and your
Account has associated Entitlements, your Entitlements will expire and
your Account may be cancelled for non-use.  Once you have
redeemed your Entitlements, that content is not returnable,
exchangeable, or refundable for other Entitlements or for cash, or other
goods or services."

(from http://tos.ea.com/le...TERMS/US/en/PC/ )

I'm fairly certain that Steam doesn't have such a restrictive limit to account usage. What's that, you haven't logged into your account for 2 and a half years because you've been travelling around the world? (which isn't an unlikely situation). Oh, sorry, your games have been revoked, with no refund.

Also, note the wording. Entitlements are what it calls DLC and pre-order items. Your entitlements will expire. Your account may be cancelled.

This. Soooo this. I used to purchase games from the EA store. I had the Sims 3 and every expansion there. EA decided that I had owned them too long, based on their user license, and removed them all from my account. Upon contacting customer support, they told me to reinstall their stupid client, and basically gave me the run around and let me know in no uncertain terms that it was my fault that they stole my games from me.

Really EA? You want to compete with Steam but you treat your online customers like dog ****, as though we're just 'renting' the game from you? Yeah, let me know how that works out for you, because you won't get another dime from me. 

Modifié par nexworks, 15 juin 2011 - 01:40 .

[TSC_1]

RPS says that EA is coming out with a statement about Origin later today. Maybe we'll get some useful information.

[Pixieking]

FDrage wrote...

I'd be surprise of Steam hasn't got any kind of restriction for inactive users, just wouldn't make sense for them to not be able to restrict their Database growth.
Beside one could probably always hide behind "the service can be terminated without prior notice ... " formulation etc,

Beside considering that a lot of PC titles which use Steam as a DRM are effectively Steam exclusive even if you can buy it from other sources (only now about retail versions) then Steam, e.g. FO3 or Dawn of War II or Civilization V one hasn't got much of a choice either, beside steam or not playing. So I'm not overly fussed that a specific edition is non-steam exclusive and atm we are only talking about a specific edition iirc, or ?

Well, Crysis 2 is no longer available on Steam. So, it's not an academic debate about a possible Signature Edition-type release for ME3 on Steam, it's about whether or not EA's current and future games will be available on the platform.

As for "the service can be terminated without prior notice" 2 things:

1) Steam/Valve honestly come across as in favour of the consumer. I cannot ever see them willfully cancelling accounts because their database is getting a bit overloaded.

2) EA have a specific clause, legally entitling them to cancel your account after 2 years. They wrote that in there. You buy something from Origin, you have to accept that they are legally within their rights to remove inactive accounts. It is a long-term renting operation.

Modifié par Emoking, 15 juin 2011 - 02:17 .

[Clonedzero]

rezzing the thread cus the old one got locked because thsi one was first? i dunno, mods dont understand threads dying and new ones replacing them. its the circle of life and all that.

should get them to watch lion king.

anyways. i really hope it comes to steam....

[charmingcharlie]

I don't think people appreciate just how bad the terms are with Origin.  The terminating your account after 24 months is the least of your worries.  Apparently the TOS of Origin only gives you the right to access your purchases for 12 months. 

Sounds lovely doesn't it, at the moment I am still keeping my retail Mass Effect 3 pre-order going.  However if Mass Effect 3 requires the use of Origin I will cancel it in a heart beat.  I don't pay £60 - £70 just to play one game for 12 months.

http://tos.ea.com/le...sale/US/enl/PC/

You can find the term in the "Perfomance of Contract" section.

[truestatic]

I'm not participating in your forced attempt to gain a userbase for your digital download service. If you don't want to take my money from me on steam, (which was better for you than taking my money from me at retail), then I'll just keep my money.