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[Wise guy 05]

A side note is that with this prices on steam will raise because the competition between games like cod mw 3 and battlefield 3 won't be on the same market anymore and so publishers of MW3 I have no idea who they are but I buy their games won't have a reason to lower their price on steam because there isn't any competition to draw from because gamer's won't see the two games set up next to one another and so the price will rise so digital copy's of battlefield 3 and MW 3 will be retail price or higher for digtal download enjoy your "competition" because it cost a lot to have. BECAUSE ITS NOT F****** COMPETITION !
(my posts got splt between pages read first the post on the page before this one before you read this post. It makes more sense then.)

Modifié par Wise guy 05, 16 juin 2011 - 02:10 .

[MartinDN]

I dont mind using extra clients, did it for wow, gta iv etc, but this just doesnt seem right -  their eula is same old EA typical “we own you” licensing.

• You agree that EA may collect, use, store and transmit technical and related information that identifies your computer (including the Internet Protocol 37683v1 Address), operating system, Application usage (including but not limited to successful installation and/or removal), software, software usage and peripheral hardware, that may be gathered periodically to facilitate the provision of software updates, dynamically served content, product support and other services to you, including online services. EA may also use this information combined with personal information for marketing purposes and to improve our products and services. We may also share that data with our third party service providers in a form that does not personally identify you. If you do not want EA to collect, use, store, transmit, or display the data described in this section, please do not install or use the application.

This basically gives EA the right to use any data on your computer for any reason they choose. And not too mention theyll be putting TOR on it, which will deny many people from playing it out of resentment of EA as they wont use origin, if they also put ME3 on origin, i can see it going the same route as spore, or even worse, which would suck for bioware with all the work they put in.

[vader da slayer]

"Exclusive source for the PC Digital Deluxe Download" link to origin.com

also the above statement doesn't give EA unrestricted rights to anything on you computer. to play WoW you have to agree to the same thing. what it is is EA has the right to gather technical data in relation to game playback and on data transfer between the client side of the origin client and the EA side. it doesnt grant them access to your porn.

edit: also 'wise guy 05' Steam doesn't control the prices of things (at least on newer content and games) the Publishers tell steam what to charge and Steam has to charge that (the 5 bucks off at launch is probably a stipulation that the publisher does have to agree to in a terms of use between them and Steam/Valve) or the publisher pulls their content and doesn't release content on there again and they sue Valve for breach of contract.

also there is still competition, Steam is a digital store and so is Origin. just becasue Target carries product a but not b and Walmart carries product b but not a and both are the same type of product doesnt mean the two companies that produce that product don't price their product based on the compititions price point. besides the fact that the price of BF3 for pc/console will be 50/60 USD and the price for MW3 will be 50/60 as well. its a set fact and if activision tries to jump the price for any reason you will see a massive backlash in teh form of people not buying it considering you have to pay for online stat tracking (something that the other 2 major shooters, Halo and BF, do for free).

and CoD's publisher is Activision, says it right on the box art next to that buy button.

edit2: even better analogy.

Ford sells Mustangs, Chevrolet sells Camaros, and Dodge sells Challengers. none of them are sold (new) at the other's dealerships but all are priced (actually not really mustangs are about 7-10k cheaper than a camaro but run just as good and have a better interior space wise and visibility wise but back to my point) with the other competitor's prices in mind. you don't get to see the Camaro next to the Challenger or Mustang but they are priced in order to compete with the other manufacturer's vehicle.

Modifié par vader da slayer, 16 juin 2011 - 06:28 .

[McBaal]

Link not working.

[Eleinehmm]

Joy. They can't even remember my language settings. Am I forced to read a local version each and every time I change a country? Look, I can read and write in a couple of languages, but not bloody all of them. Plus, I am not even sure if some of the countries even have Origin access. My experience with Steam in this regard is that they provide a truly worldwide experience. My experience with EA is a couple of generic customer support answers that had nothing to do with my problems.

[Interactive Civilian]

Eleinehmm wrote...

Joy. They can't even remember my language settings.

It's not that they aren't remembering your language settings. It's that interface language is not settable by the user but rather is solely determined by the location of your IP address.

This is preventing me from even considering using the store, because I cannot read the TOS or any other fine print on the Thai site.

I had a chat with EA support about this not long ago:

2361797215: Hello Shaylin. My name is [Interactive Civilian]. I live in Thailand and would like to be able to access the Origin Store.
2361797215: However
2361797215: From a Thai IP address, the store only comes up in Thai language. Is there any way to change the language of the website to English?
Shaylin C.: Not that I am aware of, I have had a few people contact me about the same issue but I haven't been able to find anything on the site that would allow you to change the language.
2361797215: I see. If I purchase through the store, are the games in Thai language?
Shaylin C.: no, there should be an option for the game to be in english.
2361797215: Well, I suppose that's alright, though it would be nice to be able to read the descriptions of things. If you could put a word in with those responsible for maintaining the site that the ability to change languages would be very nice, I would certainly appreciate it.
2361797215: Thank you for your time.
Shaylin C.: Not a problem, and the developers are working on getting the international site set up so that people in other countries can access the store in other languages.
2361797215: Excellent. I look forward to it going live whenever it does. Thank you.

(emphasis mine)

So, hopefully they are working to fix this, and hopefully it won't take too long. I'm willing to give origin a shot IF I decide to agree to their ToS etc. But until I can even read them, I won't do anything.

(and that's a shame, since ME3 preorder is cheap here in Thailand)

[zweistein_J]

FERMi27 wrote...

Face it, people, if this game won't be available via Steam, you will get it on Origin. And EA knows that.
Though, there is another way of obtaining the game - free of charge. But that is not an option for me, since we're talking about Mass Effect. And I am anyway too used to play the DLC's in time. I guess it sucks waiting until somebody makes a crack and uploads it somewhere. No way am I gonna wait for that.

actually no
i prefere to have the retail version in a box than getting it from origin.

Steam is and will be my only digital game library.

[azarhal]

Interactive Civilian wrote...

Eleinehmm wrote...

Joy. They can't even remember my language settings.

It's not that they aren't remembering your language settings. It's that interface language is not settable by the user but rather is solely determined by the location of your IP address.

This page doesn't work?

Forget it I just tested it, once you get back to the store it turn back to "default" (english for me).

Modifié par azarhal, 16 juin 2011 - 12:58 .

[Clonedzero]

zweistein_J wrote...

FERMi27 wrote...

Face it, people, if this game won't be available via Steam, you will get it on Origin. And EA knows that.
Though, there is another way of obtaining the game - free of charge. But that is not an option for me, since we're talking about Mass Effect. And I am anyway too used to play the DLC's in time. I guess it sucks waiting until somebody makes a crack and uploads it somewhere. No way am I gonna wait for that.

actually no
i prefere to have the retail version in a box than getting it from origin.

Steam is and will be my only digital game library.

i completely agree. if its not available on steam, ill order the retail boxed version from amazon or pick it up at a store.

[Autoclave]

Clonedzero wrote...

zweistein_J wrote...

FERMi27 wrote...

Face it, people, if this game won't be available via Steam, you will get it on Origin. And EA knows that.
Though, there is another way of obtaining the game - free of charge. But that is not an option for me, since we're talking about Mass Effect. And I am anyway too used to play the DLC's in time. I guess it sucks waiting until somebody makes a crack and uploads it somewhere. No way am I gonna wait for that.

actually no
i prefere to have the retail version in a box than getting it from origin.

Steam is and will be my only digital game library.

i completely agree. if its not available on steam, ill order the retail boxed version from amazon or pick it up at a store.

My Mass Effect 3 will be *Origin Free* regardless of whatever EA will do. I will pay the money to bioware one way or another but I will make sure no Origin crap is installed on my system.

[Clonedzero]

this really deserves more attention.

[SmokePants]

Eventually, every big publisher is going to have its own digital distribution channel. You people are deluding yourselves if you think you're going to be able to stick exclusively with Steam in perpetuity.

[raz3r]

I already gave up on that, I guess it is quite obvious that they're going to release the game exclusively on Origin. Usually I always buy games on Steam but Mass Effect was one of the few exception since I bought ME2 CE and I already preordered CE for ME3. I don't care if I have to install Origin in order to play the game but at least I hope I can download a digital copy through it since I want the game to be in english and not italian.

[SalsaDMA]

AbsolutGrndZer0 wrote...

Plus, on the off-chance it does... Look a the other features... "CLOUD SAVES" do you know what that means?  It means your save games can be uploaded to their website, so if your hard drive burns out unexpectedly, you have your backups downloadable from them.  Plus, looks like with an M by it, that means Multiplatform, so possibly you could upload your Xbox 360 saves and download them on the PC? We'll see.

GFW corrupting my saves in Bioshock2 showed me just how little I want outside sources to touch my saves. And harddisk burnout? What exactly are you doing to your systems to make this an issue you actually want to consider?

Sure, it can happen, just like falling down with a plane from the sky can happen. It's not bloody likely, though, given normal usage.

[SalsaDMA]

SmokePants wrote...

Eventually, every big publisher is going to have its own digital distribution channel. You people are deluding yourselves if you think you're going to be able to stick exclusively with Steam in perpetuity.

No.

They are only doing this as long as consumers allow them to.

If people say "screw you" to these schemes that only serve to fragmentize and complicate the general user experience and numbers turn out that they are loosing money on the schemes; they will give up on them.

Not to mention the cases where a comapny manages to outmanouever itself and cause itself to go bankrupt because it tries to compete with its own resellers and loose its established network of distribution without getting much in return for the losses (3DFX is a "shining" example in this regard)

[charmingcharlie]

Over on the TOR a community manager has "clarified" things regarding Origin and the new MMO :-

Stephen Reid wrote ....


"Once the game is on your hard disk, you'll be connecting to our servers
to patch and launch the game, and Origin does not have to be running to
do that."

So, pick up a boxed version and you shouldn't have to touch EA's store,
if that's your wish. That said, Reid also noted in his post that
physical copies of the game will include the Origin client on a disc.

http://www.eurogamer...lsory-for-swtor

So it is looking likely that Mass Effect 3 will not require Origin to run the game.  But it will probably use Origin servers for a one time activation, whether this will change or not is open to question.  However at the moment it looks like if you buy the game retail you will be able to avoid Origin.

[Abirn]

SalsaDMA wrote...

SmokePants wrote...

Eventually, every big publisher is going to have its own digital distribution channel. You people are deluding yourselves if you think you're going to be able to stick exclusively with Steam in perpetuity.

No.

They are only doing this as long as consumers allow them to.

If people say "screw you" to these schemes that only serve to fragmentize and complicate the general user experience and numbers turn out that they are loosing money on the schemes; they will give up on them.

Not to mention the cases where a comapny manages to outmanouever itself and cause itself to go bankrupt because it tries to compete with its own resellers and loose its established network of distribution without getting much in return for the losses (3DFX is a "shining" example in this regard)

No, instead of learning a free market lesson, they will just blame the whole thing on piracy and choose to go to even more draconian prevention measures instead of realizing its their half assed policies that force people to pirate games in the first place. 

Steam reduces piracy because people like it and use it sort of a collection or library of all their games, instead of the physical disks,  If I buy the game on Origin and can only download it for a year after purchase, I'm going to pirate it after that year because I'm not paying for the same game twice.  

Just like intrusive DRM,  legitimate customers don't want to suffer inconvienence,  So they are driven to piracy as a way of either protest that drm and/or circumvention of that DRM.  Pirates actually get a better playing experience then legitimate customers which is asinine.

[zr0iq]

I won't buy a Digital Copy of the game.
If I buy a good game, I want something to hold in my hands.

[Abirn]

zr0iq wrote...

I won't buy a Digital Copy of the game.
If I buy a good game, I want something to hold in my hands.

The problem is around here, the only option is Gamestop, which I'm willing to at least give Origin a good tryout before I give anymore money to that assinine company.

[zr0iq]

Abirn wrote...

zr0iq wrote...

I won't buy a Digital Copy of the game.
If I buy a good game, I want something to hold in my hands.

The problem is around here, the only option is Gamestop, which I'm willing to at least give Origin a good tryout before I give anymore money to that assinine company.

I am probably going Amazon and preorder. GameStop isn't really a nice option, that is right. The people I know who work there are at best unreliable.

But I am going to preorder only after I have seen more dialogs in ME3. I hope they do not end like LotSB conversations. They were cool, but they still feel so wrong, because there was no subtle layer.

[EternalPink]

SmokePants wrote...

Eventually, every big publisher is going to have its own digital distribution channel. You people are deluding yourselves if you think you're going to be able to stick exclusively with Steam in perpetuity.

Sorry dude but i disagree, having the infrastucture to host a game online 24/7 so that people can purchase and download at a reasonable rate (i've never returned to a digital vendor that gave me crappy download rate, can't think why anybody would either) costs money.

As we've all seen with the Sony hack, having a marketplace presence requires you to hold and protect customer information so even once you have your infrastructure in place you've then got to pay to protect it.

Developers that sell via another party (i.e steam) don't have to worry and pay for the above, those that want there own system will have to pay for it and then have to protect it, neither of which is cheap and can involve a PR nightmare if things go wrong.

Will be interesting whether the EA presence endures or whether in a years time peeps are all ****ing about how it got hacked etc

[bmwcrazy]

How come there are so many people pre-ordering ME3 from Gamestop? Do you get anything exclusive Gamestop pre-order items?

I just pre-ordered mine from Amazon. No sales tax and all.

BTW, I think it's very likely that you will be able to register your retail copy of ME3 on Origin. Which is a good thing if you have a tendency of scratching up or losing your game CD/DVDs.

[mnomaha]

Um, not sure if this is the right place for it or not...

Why do I keep seeing this when reading about this Origin stuff...
"The products and services that we make avaiable on the Websites may be downloaded or accessed for at least one year after you have completed your purchase."

So, we can only play the game for one year, and then what?

I've never seen anything like this. and yes, I am quite happy with Steam. Would be nice to use them for ME3 as well, especially if this is the practice of the Origin store.

[goofyomnivore]

bmwcrazy wrote...

How come there are so many people pre-ordering ME3 from Gamestop? Do you get anything exclusive Gamestop pre-order items?

I just pre-ordered mine from Amazon. No sales tax and all.

BTW,
I think it's very likely that you will be able to register your retail
copy of ME3 on Origin. Which is a good thing if you have a tendency of
scratching up or losing your game CD/DVDs.

Gamestop does midnight releases even for pre orders. Sometimes Amazon sends out the goods a day early though.

The TOS of EA are what turning most people off I believe. It is why I bought a hard copy.

Modifié par strive, 17 juin 2011 - 12:16 .

[goofyomnivore]

mnomaha wrote...

Um, not sure if this is the right place for it or not...

Why do I keep seeing this when reading about this Origin stuff...
"The products and services that we make avaiable on the Websites may be downloaded or accessed for at least one year after you have completed your purchase."

So, we can only play the game for one year, and then what?

I've never seen anything like this. and yes, I am quite happy with Steam. Would be nice to use them for ME3 as well, especially if this is the practice of the Origin store.

It is vague. At first I thought it just meant you have one year to download your game, so say you bought it digitally and were over seas or something during release, they give you the right to download/register/confirm the game a year after release/purchase, and if you don't claim your rights they can void them after a year.

A lot of people seem to be suggesting, after a "year" you can no longer redownload your game. Basically Steam stores your rights and you can stop playing for years come back and redownload it. Some are getting the idea that after a year you have to buy the game again if you want to download it again.

I'm not sure what to make of it their TOS are shoddy at best. A lot of vague hints at greed other parts make no sense.