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[Kekkis]

*Warning: bad english and pure in my opinion stuff incoming*

I like when tutorial tells me what button I should push to do certain things. But if after 30 hours of gameplay I still need to be told what will happen if I press "Awesome button" it is just bad game design. I am lazy at reading game manuals before I start playing games, but if tuorials are not enough or if I´m just too stupid to figure something out I just RTFM.

Enviroment should be enough to tell you what you can or can´t do when you press those buttons. If you need huge arrows to tell you, if that nearby crate is close enough to do awesome ninjamove, then something is wrong.

[Fugiz]

Its all good as long as its unavailable when playin hardcore or insanity.

[Homebound]

go pick easymode, read the tutorials and take your vitamins. that should help u get better for the higher difficulties.

[Sparda Stonerule]

So let me get this straight. Some of you people want the game to explain in its lore how everything within the game is possible. You want to sit there and read for hours and hours about how things work. You want characters to stand there and spout off exactly why you are doing and why so it is VERY CLEAR. You want to know the motivation for every action characters take. But god forbid the game gives you some information on how to playing during it. Because that's just stupid.

People are such cynics these days. You call the people having fun stupid, funny how that works.

[hangmans tree]

FluffyScarf wrote...

Most people have stressful/taxing jobs. The last thing they want is to spend more time 'exercising' their mind in a game when they're mentally tired from work and would rather kick back and have a bit of fun. Why do you think MP games are so popular? A quick 1 hour session where you can relieve some stress versus wasting 3 hours wandering across some digital farm looking for a farmer who looks exactly like another farmer just to initiate a fetch quest.

How about kick back with your bestest friends, kill some time playing RPGs making a helluva more fun than SP or MP electronic entertainment can offer - unless you forgot how social life works and you confined yourself to a LCD walls...

I think ones that didnt play PnP cant understand the gist of things here. It is fun, playing a role, being someone you're not IRL, reducing mental stress and socialising at the same time. People are so alienated these days that they cant even grasp the idea that hanging out with friends is fun...especially with those who think alike, follow the same brain patterns, with whom you could steal horses as the saying goes where I come from. And cRPGs are a substitute for those. As was said erlier, people cant find time to meet in a group like they used to... sign of our times, I know how it feels. Me and my friends are scattered across the country and all that is left are the memories...and The Witcher 2... and ME3...and, you know...some other.

I cant tell you that NO GAME, ever, scared me like our GM did when we played The Call of Cthulhu. That is something you can not transpose to gaming. It was, is and I supppose will be a better medium to convey emotions and feelings.

 I think that gaming should rise the bar, and people will adjust, they will "grow to think" and excercise their mind.
But it seems its the oposite, and people like me feel cheated at some point, coz the brainwaves are closer to flatline when you play modern games. I like my coiled cerebral, i dont want it to turn to glass ball...

[DieHigh2012]

hangmans tree wrote...

FluffyScarf wrote...

Most people have stressful/taxing jobs. The last thing they want is to spend more time 'exercising' their mind in a game when they're mentally tired from work and would rather kick back and have a bit of fun. Why do you think MP games are so popular? A quick 1 hour session where you can relieve some stress versus wasting 3 hours wandering across some digital farm looking for a farmer who looks exactly like another farmer just to initiate a fetch quest.

How about kick back with your bestest friends, kill some time playing RPGs making a helluva more fun than SP or MP electronic entertainment can offer - unless you forgot how social life works and you confined yourself to a LCD walls...

I think ones that didnt play PnP cant understand the gist of things here. It is fun, playing a role, being someone you're not IRL, reducing mental stress and socialising at the same time. People are so alienated these days that they cant even grasp the idea that hanging out with friends is fun...especially with those who think alike, follow the same brain patterns, with whom you could steal horses as the saying goes where I come from. And cRPGs are a substitute for those. As was said erlier, people cant find time to meet in a group like they used to... sign of our times, I know how it feels. Me and my friends are scattered across the country and all that is left are the memories...and The Witcher 2... and ME3...and, you know...some other.

I cant tell you that NO GAME, ever, scared me like our GM did when we played The Call of Cthulhu. That is something you can not transpose to gaming. It was, is and I supppose will be a better medium to convey emotions and feelings.

 I think that gaming should rise the bar, and people will adjust, they will "grow to think" and excercise their mind.
But it seems its the oposite, and people like me feel cheated at some point, coz the brainwaves are closer to flatline when you play modern games. I like my coiled cerebral, i dont want it to turn to glass ball...

I go to partys to socialise, and read the works of Dante Alighieri, Plato, Homer, and Herodotus ( he takes a little drmatic license with his version of history, but that's what makes it interesting) to keep my mind sharp (well I'd be lying if I said I didn't enjoy reading those brilliant mens works), and play video games to have fun.

If you really want to keep those wrinkles on your brain try to wrap your mind around the works of Leo Tolstoy.

Modifié par DieHigh2012, 11 juin 2011 - 01:05 .

[hangmans tree]

DieHigh2012 wrote...



I go to partys to socialise, and read the works of Dante Alighieri, Plato, Homer, and Herodotus ( he takes a little drmatic license with his version of history, but that's what makes it interesting) to keep my mind sharp (well I'd be lying if I said I didn't enjoy reading those brilliant mens works), and play video games to have fun.

If you really want to keep those wrinkles on your brain try to wrap your mind around the works of Leo Tolstoy.

I dont need to. Red 'em during my education and sometime after. And that is what you use playin PnP (as well as history in depth, science and other things you learn while researchin for ideas), that is what builds unforgetable campains, with moral chices and really hard dillemas. If you think that it's all dungeon crawl and hackin' up 'em goblinoids you are sorely mistaken.

But lets drop it, these arguments serve no porpouse.

[DieHigh2012]

hangmans tree wrote...

DieHigh2012 wrote...



I go to partys to socialise, and read the works of Dante Alighieri, Plato, Homer, and Herodotus ( he takes a little drmatic license with his version of history, but that's what makes it interesting) to keep my mind sharp (well I'd be lying if I said I didn't enjoy reading those brilliant mens works), and play video games to have fun.

If you really want to keep those wrinkles on your brain try to wrap your mind around the works of Leo Tolstoy.

I dont need to. Red 'em during my education and sometime after. And that is what you use playin PnP (as well as history in depth, science and other things you learn while researchin for ideas), that is what builds unforgetable campains, with moral chices and really hard dillemas. If you think that it's all dungeon crawl and hackin' up 'em goblinoids you are sorely mistaken.

But lets drop it, these arguments serve no porpouse.

Ok, but I really was not trying to argue with that last post...

[azerSheppard]

Anyone who has played GOW knows how important those arrows are. Thats all i'm going to say.

[JayhartRIC]

azerSheppard wrote...

Anyone who has played GOW knows how important those arrows are. Thats all i'm going to say.

That's what I'm trying to say.  Without those arrows you don't have the feedback to know if you can perform a certain action.  When right + A can mean 4 different things, it's important to know which you will do.

[hangmans tree]

As I said, I played GoW (on a PC) and all those shiluettes did was annoy me, then ****** me of. So either make them HUD thingies optional or do something to please everybody - AND THAT MEANS PC PLAYERS AS WELL.

[Gatt9]

DieHigh2012 wrote...

Just simply in my experience, I've never known anyone under 35 (IRL) that actually still plays PnP.. No doubt they exist, but they are a mystery to me...

And it came up because Gatt9 brought it up, and on that note.
@Gatt9

I've heard a lot of complaining about DA:O from the PnP crowd, and the last time I checked that wasn't PnP. It was a slice of heaven only here only because of the advancement of technology. If want to claim that PnP was the first step fine. However we are on step 30 now a days.

First,  I didn't bring it up,  fluffyscarf started the process by trying to dismiss people because they like RPGs.

Second,  I respectfully suggest you take a trip to your local game store on RPG nights,  and to your college gaming clubs,  alot of people under the age of 35 play.  More would if it weren't for Wizards of the Coast mangaling 4th edition D&D and splitting the player base.

Third,  DA:O is a D&D derivative,  most everything in the game is derived from D&D mechanics.  Offline,  it would be regarded as a Setting,  a functional world with some sets of rules pecululair to it,  much like Dragonlance and Ravenloft.

In closing,  the technology is irrelevant.  Most everything in existance today existed a decade or more prior to today... 

-Fallout featured a great deal more depth than any RPG existing today,  and it did it on a computer with less power than your cell phone has. 

-Wasteland,  20 years ago or so,  featured the beginings of party members with personality. 

-Ultima featured early conversation systems,  and NPC's with schedules they followed in the 80's on a 1mhz processor.

-Might and Magic featured large open worlds for exploration on the Commodore 64,  again with a 1mhz processor and just 64k of memory.

-Wing Commander 3 had decisions that affected the game ending on a 486dx66 in 1994.

The whole "Technology" thing is largely a myth, all it's really given us is prettier graphics,  and for the most part,  it actually has resulted in less content over the years.  Mass Effect 2,  for all of it's accolades,  offers a fraction of the depth,  choice,  and consequence of the 13 year old Fallout games.

[hangmans tree]

Yes, and what most of us would like to see is not a scale when the graphics/tech goes up, the content/story/background and other "minor" things go down...in flames

Not to say ME2 wasnt a great experience, but it could be lot more.

I dont remember well which dev said to me in a topic about "lost opportunities" (maybe Chris?): "and why not take the game for what it is?". Why? Coz we should strive to be better with every step we take.