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[Darkhour]

This is the beginning of the reaper war.

So, basically... we find a way to fight back and win an epic battle, but the war continues on into other ME games with new protagonists? Probaly taking place hundreds of years later with a DA:O to DA2 carryover (i.e. a few lines of dialog different depending on how ME1-3 stuff shaped the current political climate.)

[jamesp81]

I doubt it.

I think it's a situation of Mutually Assured Genocide. Either we walk away from this one, or they do. Not both.

[Darkhour]

jamesp81 wrote...

I doubt it.

I think it's a situation of Mutually Assured Genocide. Either we walk away from this one, or they do. Not both.

I don;t know.

Casey Hudson says "This is a good place to jump into the series, because it's the beginning of the galactic war".

Now I know they want to get new players, but the way he is wording it sounds like this is just the beginning and closes Shepard's story.  I'm getting the impression that we will find a way to fight back, Earth will be saved, a crushing defeat will be handed to the reapers, but the threat will not be eliminated in one battle. The war will continue on. 

Am I the only person who thinks a magic super weapon that wipes out all reapers everywhere at once would be lame? If the reapers and attacking the entire galaxy, how does liberating earth take out ALL of them? That's how Stargate started to get crappy in the later seasons. There was always a super Ancient weapon just for the occasion tucked away somewhere and every season became a treasure hunt for the "I win" button. 

[SKiLLYWiLLY2]

Darkhour wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

I doubt it.

I think it's a situation of Mutually Assured Genocide. Either we walk away from this one, or they do. Not both.

I don;t know.

Casey Hudson says "This is a good place to jump into the series, because it's the beginning of the galactic war".

Now I know they want to get new players, but the way he is wording it sounds like this is just the beginning and closes Shepard's story.  I'm getting the impression that we will find a way to fight back, Earth will be saved, a crushing defeat will be handed to the reapers, but the threat will not be eliminated in one battle. The war will continue on. 

Am I the only person who thinks a magic super weapon that wipes out all reapers everywhere at once would be lame? If the reapers and attacking the entire galaxy, how does liberating earth take out ALL of them? That's how Stargate started to get crappy in the later seasons. There was always a super Ancient weapon just for the occasion tucked away somewhere and every season became a treasure hunt for the "I win" button. 

Agreed.

Being able to eliminate the reaper threat in the course of ME3 would seem a bit "easy" and that the reapers weren't so powerful after all. The war with the Protheans lasted "centuries" and they were supposedly more advanced than any of the current species in the galaxy.

Modifié par SKiLLYWiLLY2, 09 juin 2011 - 04:44 .

[Cosmar]

If the reaper threat didn't end in ME3, I think a lot of players would feel cheated. And this wouldn't be the first time a sci-fi/fantasy franchise would continue even after the "greatest threat to all life" was vanquished.

[Blarty]

I think the 'good place' to jump into is a reference to the fact that ME3 will be suitably self-contained, it's not the ESB-alike that ME2 was. Wars are messy things, even after one side has been defeated there are huge power vacuums politically... if anything I see the future of the ME universe being the rebuilding in the wake of the war, galactic power being shifted based on whether a once-ascendant race becomes near extinct, with various unscrupulous parties vying for control of cities of even entire star systems.

Unfortunately, where one man sees war, another sees opportunity.

[Shepard Lives]

While I suppose it'd be realistic, it would also kind of suck. We spent two games building up this thing and in the end we can't even pull it off? Lame.
Not to mention they said that endings will vary wildly, and I don't think that would be the case in an "it's the end of the game and everyone is still fighting the Reapers" scenario.

All in all, I doubt it'll happen.

[Blarty]

SKiLLYWiLLY2 wrote...

Agreed.

Being able to eliminate the reaper threat in the course of ME3 would seem a bit "easy" and that the reapers weren't so powerful after all. The war with the Protheans lasted "centuries" and they were supposedly more advanced than any of the current species in the galaxy.

The difference being here though that the Protheans were a single ascendant race; find out the single flaw or weakness, and ALL resistance is crushed, hence the need now to rally all the races together, a united front.

How long did the war with the Protheans actually last? And how long did the futile quest for survival, whilst entire populations were systematically and irrevocably being wiped out..... I doubt the actual war really lasted that long; the purge? Well that could've gone on for centuries certainly.

Modifié par Blarty, 09 juin 2011 - 04:50 .

[Reever]

SKiLLYWiLLY2 wrote...

Darkhour wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

I doubt it.

I think it's a situation of Mutually Assured Genocide. Either we walk away from this one, or they do. Not both.

I don;t know.

Casey Hudson says "This is a good place to jump into the series, because it's the beginning of the galactic war".

Now I know they want to get new players, but the way he is wording it sounds like this is just the beginning and closes Shepard's story.  I'm getting the impression that we will find a way to fight back, Earth will be saved, a crushing defeat will be handed to the reapers, but the threat will not be eliminated in one battle. The war will continue on. 

Am I the only person who thinks a magic super weapon that wipes out all reapers everywhere at once would be lame? If the reapers and attacking the entire galaxy, how does liberating earth take out ALL of them? That's how Stargate started to get crappy in the later seasons. There was always a super Ancient weapon just for the occasion tucked away somewhere and every season became a treasure hunt for the "I win" button. 

Agreed.

Being able to eliminate the reaper threat in the course of ME3 would seem a bit "easy" and that the reapers weren't so powerful after all. The war with the Protheans lasted "centuries" and they were supposedly more advanced than any of the current species in the galaxy.

But they have been caught unaware. We know they´re coming!

It´d be pretty dumb to continue the  war without Shepard... I started this with Shepard, and what to bring it to an end with him!

[Cosmar]

I think "The Reapers" as a whole will be finished in ME3, but that doesn't necessarily mean that Reaper-related crap might not happen later. With all the Reaper tech floating around after the war, I'm sure some unscrupulous, power-hungry/crazy people might take it, study it, try to replicate it/manipulate it etc.

[Darkhour]

BlueDemonX wrote...

SKiLLYWiLLY2 wrote...

Darkhour wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

I doubt it.

I think it's a situation of Mutually Assured Genocide. Either we walk away from this one, or they do. Not both.

I don;t know.

Casey Hudson says "This is a good place to jump into the series, because it's the beginning of the galactic war".

Now I know they want to get new players, but the way he is wording it sounds like this is just the beginning and closes Shepard's story.  I'm getting the impression that we will find a way to fight back, Earth will be saved, a crushing defeat will be handed to the reapers, but the threat will not be eliminated in one battle. The war will continue on. 

Am I the only person who thinks a magic super weapon that wipes out all reapers everywhere at once would be lame? If the reapers and attacking the entire galaxy, how does liberating earth take out ALL of them? That's how Stargate started to get crappy in the later seasons. There was always a super Ancient weapon just for the occasion tucked away somewhere and every season became a treasure hunt for the "I win" button. 

Agreed.

Being able to eliminate the reaper threat in the course of ME3 would seem a bit "easy" and that the reapers weren't so powerful after all. The war with the Protheans lasted "centuries" and they were supposedly more advanced than any of the current species in the galaxy.

But they have been caught unaware. We know they´re coming!

It´d be pretty dumb to continue the  war without Shepard... I started this with Shepard, and what to bring it to an end with him!

Shepard knows they are coming. And a few others. But is anything really being done about this coming arrival? Nope. 

Who is to say Shepard isn't stilling fighting. Shepard's continued existence shouldn't negate the existence of other badass heroes in the making.  

Who is to say it is even a conventional war. Maybe the reapers retreat and don't directly attack for fear of destruction, but leave "some things" behind. It could be a proxy war scenario or a "shadow war". 

Victory is victory. Just because Germany still exists doesn't mean they weren't defeated in WW2. Take Star Wars for instance. The Empire didn't disintegrate after the ending of Return of the Jedi. The New Republic was formed, but the Empire, although weakened, is still there and is still a force to be reckoned with years afterwards. Regardless, the good guys still won storywise.

We couldn;t defeat the turians in one battle and we're going to take out the reapers with a magic wand? There is no non-lame way to do that.

I was considering a Killzone type shooter based in the ME universe that details the batarian Hegemony starting a war with a weakened Alliance after the reaper conflict, but it sound like everyone is getting boned so they probably won't be doing that.
 

Modifié par Darkhour, 09 juin 2011 - 05:15 .

[schnydz]

 Agreed. ME3 is looking more
like a story of saving the "home worlds" and civilization as a whole.
However, this will leave room for the shadow war per above. 



I believe this has always been the intention. And
it sets up for new stories to be told including the possibilities of
multiplayer of even MMO. 



Come on, if you have a money maker such as the ME
series you are not going to just to 3 titles and be done with it. Especially
with EA in the mix... 



Not that this is necessarily a bad thing.

Modifié par schnydz, 09 juin 2011 - 05:30 .

[frylock23]

I believe this has always been the intention. And
it sets up for new stories to be told including the possibilities of
multiplayer of even MMO.

This.

Sci-fi MMOs are very under-represented. You have EVE. You will have TOR. But most of your MMOs are fantasy. Who's to say that ME wouldn;t make a good entry to a sci-fi MMO? You have a big enough world with a plenty rich enough backstory having been established.

[schnydz]

Yep, and if Bioware is successful with taking Star Wars to MMO (which we will soon see) then why couldn't they do the exact same thing to ME? Personally I've never been interested in that type of game play, but if there was a ME universe available to explore I will be there.

[Darkhour]

Another possibility is that there is something behind "salvation through destruction". Maybe there is an even greater threat out there and the reapers exist to stop some "mysterious situation" from occuring.

[LetsGoToMyHouse]

I doubt it will continue, in one of the demos showing the escape from Earth Casey Hudson said, "Its a great place to jump in because this is the beginning AND THE END of all the really big events in the Mass Effect universe."

[hero3440]

There will definitely Reaper parts scatter through out the galaxy and there will people like the Illusive man who will use Reaper technology believing they can control it and try against the other races and advance their own.

[Rake21]

Thing is, this is the end of the trilogy. At the end of LOTR, the rings gone and the HORDE O' EVIL is gone. At the end of the Star Wars Trillogy, the Empire is in ruins and the rebellions on its way to winning the war.

I think ME3 will end with the Reapers being scrapped for the most part. Maybe a few lying in hiding to avoid being slaughtered and to appear as an antagonist down the road, but that's probably the most we'll hear from them after.

[Thargorichiban]

Actually I got a bit scared when Casey said "this will be the end of THIS arc for Shepard."

That statement leaves plenty of wiggle-room for another trilogy WITH Shepard.

[Rake21]

Thargorichiban wrote...

Actually I got a bit scared when Casey said "this will be the end of THIS arc for Shepard."

That statement leaves plenty of wiggle-room for another trilogy WITH Shepard.

Huh, every other time they've said it, they said it's the end of his story.  Dude (or lady) could use a vacation.

Where did he say it at?

[Thargorichiban]

Rake21 wrote...

Thargorichiban wrote...

Actually I got a bit scared when Casey said "this will be the end of THIS arc for Shepard."

That statement leaves plenty of wiggle-room for another trilogy WITH Shepard.

Huh, every other time they've said it, they said it's the end of his story.  Dude (or lady) could use a vacation.

Where did he say it at?

It was during one of the E3 videos. It might have been a slip of the tongue. Hopefully so.

[Rake21]

Thargorichiban wrote...

Rake21 wrote...

Thargorichiban wrote...

Actually I got a bit scared when Casey said "this will be the end of THIS arc for Shepard."

That statement leaves plenty of wiggle-room for another trilogy WITH Shepard.

Huh, every other time they've said it, they said it's the end of his story.  Dude (or lady) could use a vacation.

Where did he say it at?

It was during one of the E3 videos. It might have been a slip of the tongue. Hopefully so.

I'd go with that, but, then again, I thought Master Chief was done, too. So I'll just wait and see