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[jeweledleah]

Antivenger wrote...

EsterCloat wrote...

No, I do that too. Whether it is a minority is pretty likely. A lot of people cheated from what I can tell. :/

jeweledleah wrote...

apparently.  well - its a nice minority to be in, IMO.

I
just don't understand why people participate in content that they are
not even enjoying, I mean what's the point?  its not like its necessary
in any way  (no, achievements are NOT necessary - they are completely
optional)

No ME2 "Paramour" achievement, then?

It's okay. We'll get the ME3 "Stayin' Faithful" achievement soon enough.

hehe, I didn't say I didn't like ME2 LI's.  I just created new Shepards to fit new LI's   (I also have one Shepard that moved on, but it fit her personality)

[Metalunatic]

One LI is more than enough for me. I've never even considered cheating Liara on my canon playthrough.

[EsterCloat]

Antivenger wrote...

EsterCloat wrote...

No, I do that too. Whether it is a minority is pretty likely. A lot of people cheated from what I can tell. :/

jeweledleah wrote...

apparently.  well - its a nice minority to be in, IMO.

I
just don't understand why people participate in content that they are
not even enjoying, I mean what's the point?  its not like its necessary
in any way  (no, achievements are NOT necessary - they are completely
optional)

No ME2 "Paramour" achievement, then?

It's okay. We'll get the ME3 "Stayin' Faithful" achievement soon enough.

Psh. I just tricked my brother into romancing Miranda in his playthrough(which was funny since he basically held the stick into the right corner throughout the game except during Miranda : P) for the achievement.

[frylock23]

Add me to the minority of the faithful. The only femShep who might pick up an ME2 LI hasn't even started an ME2 playthrough. She left Kaidan on Horizon. I haven't decided if I'll pick up LI interest in ME2 or not. I might not even play that character through to ME3, and if I do pick up a LI it'll be Garrus.

[Zubie]

Yeah I still don't have that achievement either. Don't think I ever will at this point.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Banzboy wrote...

Probably, she will make a remark about it that's for sure.

If you get Miranda killed in the suicide mission, how would Ashley ever know?

[flexxdk]

Cheating on your ME LI in ME2...

Heavy risk...

But the priiize...

On a more serious note, I do look forward to how Ashley will confront me in ME3.

I thought she dumped me in ME2 after Horizon. And since I barely read Shepard's mail, I didn't knew that she wanted to resume the relationship with Shepard.
Oh joys of joy. 

I even made a new savegame in which I didn't cheat on her.

Modifié par Whacka, 09 juin 2011 - 08:18 .

[ladyvader]

I stayed faithful to Liara:wub:, however.....I did not stay faithful to either Ash or Kaidan.

I cheated on Ash with Jack. , and on Kaidan with Jacob.  

[Nimrodell]

I'm just still wondering why BW employees keep calling that cheating? Honestly, how is that cheating in many scenarios players have? Sure, in some world where Ash and Kaidan are psychopaths and stalkers that could be interpreted as cheating, or having Shepard as exclusive 'one night stand girl or boy', but in normal world, it just can't be defined as cheating... some Shepards moved on, some actually fell in love with new LIs, some were feeling betrayed by entire universe and that Horizon thing and cheap email afterwards was just bit too much (just take the Shepard's line to Garrus - I want someone whom I can trust)... Sure, when I was 14 and my 1st boyfriend kissing another girl was interpreted as cheating by me lol, but this, c'mon, we're talking about adults that we assume are having healthy personalities, for god's sake lol... Or do we deal again with shallow interpretation of feelings and relationships? Or maybe just truly bad writing (in this case), and they are trying to force on players something that wasn't there?
I have only one playthrough where I actually moved on with Garrus but only 'cause Garrus wasn't available for me in ME1... (I would always choose Garrus over Kaidan tbh, but at that time that wasn't possible) and I just don't see where my Tasha Shepard cheated on Kaidan... just don't see it. Like one lousy email can repair things... or the fact that he heard rumours about Shepard being alive but didn't move his arse to find her... poor baby was stonewalled by Anderson and like a good boy, did nothing... so where 'cheating' comes in that equation? In the world of Ken and Barbie, but not in the world where we claim we have adults that take their duty and responsibilities and don't have shallow fairytale understanding of what really mean being loyal or moving on... Bah, why do I even bother, I can feel over 20 Kaidan/Ashley justifiers lining up already, even tho tis not even about defending Ash or Kaidan... it's just about - do you know what relationship is and what cheating is, and what's simple shallow interpretation of those is.

[Antivenger]

Nimrodell wrote...

*snip*

Because although your Shepard can interpret it as moving on, Ashley and Kaidan's writing as determined by the game devs is hopeful for staying together. And is also kind of pissed that the whole forbidden romance on the first Normandy was a lie. Who knows, maybe you'll get a dialogue option to dismiss the romance altogether?

... your post was long.

Modifié par Antivenger, 10 juin 2011 - 04:41 .

[HTTP 404]

GunMoth wrote...

Schneidend wrote...



On the other hand, though, if you're willing to seriously use a phrase like "hit it and quit it" to describe a female peer, do you really deserve a strong, independent woman like Ashley? My vote would be a resounding "no."

This is pretty amazing.

maybe ashley is a hit it and quit kinda girl while shepard "was dead."  that wouldnt make her any "weaker" of a female.

Modifié par HTTP 404, 10 juin 2011 - 04:46 .

[HTTP 404]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Banzboy wrote...

Probably, she will make a remark about it that's for sure.

If you get Miranda killed in the suicide mission, how would Ashley ever know?

haha I thought of doing this....

[Nimrodell]

Antivenger wrote...

Nimrodell wrote...

*snip*

Because although your Shepard can interpret it as moving on, Ashley and Kaidan's writing as determined by the game devs is hopeful for staying together. And is also kind of pissed that the whole forbidden romance on the first Normandy was a lie. Who knows, maybe you'll get a dialogue option to dismiss the romance altogether?

... your post was long.

Then you haven't seen long posts, lol. Anyways, that still doesn't justify the term 'cheating' in order to cheat someone, you actually have to be in the relationship - at that Horizon/cheesy email moment there's no relationship to speak of, just some undetermined, truly hazy thing between two people.

Modifié par Nimrodell, 10 juin 2011 - 06:59 .

[Sylvius the Mad]

Nimrodell wrote...

I'm just still wondering why BW employees keep calling that cheating?

Exactly.  When I met Kaidan on horizon, he was incredibly judgmental, so the relationship was over right then.

What I did with Garrus after that had nothing to do with Kaidan.

[EsterCloat]

Nimrodell wrote...

Antivenger wrote...

Nimrodell wrote...

*snip*

Because although your Shepard can interpret it as moving on, Ashley and Kaidan's writing as determined by the game devs is hopeful for staying together. And is also kind of pissed that the whole forbidden romance on the first Normandy was a lie. Who knows, maybe you'll get a dialogue option to dismiss the romance altogether?

... your post was long.

Then you haven't seen long posts, lol. Anyways, that still doesn't justify the term 'cheating' in order to cheat someone, you actually have to be in the relationship - at that Horizon/cheesy email moment there's no relationship to speak of, just some undetermined, truly hazy thing between two people.

That's your interpretation? I don't really understand why you're arguing. If you don't see it as cheating, that's your opinion but others do see it as cheating. It depends on whether your Shepard sees themself as still in a relationship with the other person. Some do, some don't. You can't tell another Shepard who romanced a ME1 LI and didn't romance someone else in ME2 that they're not in a relationship if that's how they interpret it. It's just a term they used quickly without really thinking about it.

In any case, the whole "he/she was mean to me on Horizon so it's over" argument is kind of petty to me. If something like that is enough to kill the relationship for you then it probably wasn't going anywhere anyway.

Modifié par EsterCloat, 10 juin 2011 - 09:17 .

[Dracotamer]

Guess you should of thought about that before you cheated then huh?

[mereck7980]

I don't know about the rest of you but at this point I have so many play throughs that the LI permutations are mind boggling.

One of the things I am most looking forward to in ME3 is how BW will address the conflicts created by Shepard's proclivity to sleep with anyone that happens to be cohabitating with him. My Sheps that stayed loyal to Ash, Liara, and Kadian are going to feel like they are missing out on some serious drama. 

Modifié par mereck7980, 10 juin 2011 - 09:58 .

[Nimrodell]

EsterCloat wrote...

Nimrodell wrote...

Antivenger wrote...

Nimrodell wrote...

*snip*

Because although your Shepard can interpret it as moving on, Ashley and Kaidan's writing as determined by the game devs is hopeful for staying together. And is also kind of pissed that the whole forbidden romance on the first Normandy was a lie. Who knows, maybe you'll get a dialogue option to dismiss the romance altogether?

... your post was long.

Then you haven't seen long posts, lol. Anyways, that still doesn't justify the term 'cheating' in order to cheat someone, you actually have to be in the relationship - at that Horizon/cheesy email moment there's no relationship to speak of, just some undetermined, truly hazy thing between two people.

That's your interpretation? I don't really understand why you're arguing. If you don't see it as cheating, that's your opinion but others do see it as cheating. It depends on whether your Shepard sees themself as still in a relationship with the other person. Some do, some don't. You can't tell another Shepard who romanced a ME1 LI and didn't romance someone else in ME2 that they're not in a relationship if that's how they interpret it. It's just a term they used quickly without really thinking about it.

In any case, the whole "he/she was mean to me on Horizon so it's over" argument is kind of petty to me. If something like that is enough to kill the relationship for you then it probably wasn't going anywhere anyway.

That's not why I'm saying this - do you know definition of cheating (when it comes to relationships)? It has nothing to do if player was miffed about Horizon or not, it has to do with the term itself - in order to cheat someone you need to be in active relationship with 'em. Cheating has conotation that is not moral and when it comes to Ashely or Kaidan on and after Horizon, there's no real relationship, just loose ends that require resolution - nothing more, nothing less. Saying that Shepard is cheating on them is too shallow and to be honest, even my students in first grade of high school have better understanding of what cheating is. I'm just saying that 'cheating' is wrong term for this situation, don't mix what I said with needless defense of VSs.

[Jenaimarre]

Not sure if this has been mentioned, but I think a situation similar to Virmire in ME1 might happen between your two LIs.

[Antivenger]

Nimrodell wrote...

That's not why I'm saying this - do you know definition of cheating (when it comes to relationships)? It has nothing to do if player was miffed about Horizon or not, it has to do with the term itself - in order to cheat someone you need to be in active relationship with 'em. Cheating has conotation that is not moral and when it comes to Ashely or Kaidan on and after Horizon, there's no real relationship, just loose ends that require resolution - nothing more, nothing less. Saying that Shepard is cheating on them is too shallow and to be honest, even my students in first grade of high school have better understanding of what cheating is. I'm just saying that 'cheating' is wrong term for this situation, don't mix what I said with needless defense of VSs.

That's what you were arguing about? Semi-improper usage of a verb? If you really don't want to feel unloyal then make another play through without 'cheating', or use Gibbed Save Editor to do so.

This is worse than the arguments about whether it's racism or xenophobia. <_<

Modifié par Antivenger, 10 juin 2011 - 12:17 .

[Nimrodell]

Antivenger wrote...

Nimrodell wrote...

That's not why I'm saying this - do you know definition of cheating (when it comes to relationships)? It has nothing to do if player was miffed about Horizon or not, it has to do with the term itself - in order to cheat someone you need to be in active relationship with 'em. Cheating has conotation that is not moral and when it comes to Ashely or Kaidan on and after Horizon, there's no real relationship, just loose ends that require resolution - nothing more, nothing less. Saying that Shepard is cheating on them is too shallow and to be honest, even my students in first grade of high school have better understanding of what cheating is. I'm just saying that 'cheating' is wrong term for this situation, don't mix what I said with needless defense of VSs.

That's what you were arguing about? Semi-improper usage of a verb? If you really don't want to feel unloyal then make another play through without 'cheating', or use Gibbed Save Editor to do so.

This is worse than the arguments about whether it's racism or xenophobia. <_<

Lol, maybe for you words can be taken so lightly, but I don't take their meaning that way... you can see for yourself on these forums what incorrect understanding usage of nouns and verbs can produce. It's not about me feeling unloyal, muppet, tis just about properly naming things - and if you have problem with someone asking for proper naming, well, so be it. By saying 'if Shepard cheated his/hers LI' one implies that Shepard did an immoral thing and predetermines certain paths as concequences for something that actually didn't happen in many cases for many players, also it imposes false morality. No need for wrong assumptions. Anyways, if you think that that situation can be called cheating, tis fine by me, I just stated what I think and know (well, words, their meaning, even manipulating them are actually my profession and so far it served me well).

By stating that this example of bad scene writting (Horizon) and even worse naming Shepard's actions afterwards (in many cases) is cheating, implies that Shepard is the guilty party, someone who by default did something immoral - and that's just not the case (unless Shepard is like Charlie in Two and a Half Men). I don't know, each time people say  that famous 'if Shepard cheated on his/hers LI...' I just get the feeling that one can get while watching stupid Mexican telenovelas or something like 'Young and Restless'... and it's just eeew. So yes, tis even worse then all those discussions about the correct meaning of racism and xenophobia - those two are serious matters and problems and this one is just about not having cheesy one-standard resolution in ME3 when it comes to love story.

[brain_damage]

Well Kaidan started a relationship with a doctor on the Citadel. Was that cheating? No, because you were DEAD.

I doubt that the results of the cheating will be definite - I mean that if you cheated you can only stay with your ME2 LI, because you chose a new LI. I never interpreted it as cheating anyway - the relationship was over when Shep died and now you just have the chance to start it again(altouigh, technically that would be cheating on your ME2 LI with your ME1 LI...this is getting confusing).

[TexasToast712]

I hooked up with Tali feeling that Liara had become too engulfed in her hunt for the Shadow Broker. Then I resparked my love with Liara after Shadow Broker then immediately went downstairs and ended it with Tali. Iam curious to see how this will play out.

[Vertigo_1]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Banzboy wrote...

Probably, she will make a remark about it that's for sure.

If you get Miranda killed in the suicide mission, how would Ashley ever know?

Once you romance Miranda...
She is unkillable...UNKILLABLE I SAY
She can even hold the line by herself when loyal.

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 10 juin 2011 - 02:05 .

[ADelusiveMan]

I was loyal to Ash up until Horizon. Then I got angry because she wouldn't come with me to help stop the Collectors, so I hooked up with Miranda. In my second playthrough however I fixed that mistake...mostly because the first time around I didn't see the email they sent after the mission.