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[MANoob]

JaegerBane wrote...

MANoob wrote...
Cast wail of the banshee or undeath to death vs undead. Watch things die. You dont care how much HP they have. They die in a second. You dont care how much damage your fireball  deals. Then eat your elemental and rest. The fact that it was easy to finish MOTB with a warrior doesnt change the fact it was equally easy as a wizard.

I'm not sure how more clearly I can put this. YOU CANNOT HAVE UNLIMITED CASTS. YOU CAN HAVE UNLIMITED ATTACKS. There isn't really much more to the argument than that. Ignoring it by banging on about spamming Wails and UtDs doesn't somehow change it. Once those have gone - which they will, given the Will saves seen in MotB - the mage is stuck. The only way you can get around it is either cheesing out on rest/suppress cycles or going gish. This is common knowledge on the NWN2 forums.

The relative ease of the game is irrelevant. The caster classes were way behind the warriors. DA:O doesn't do this. And that as my point.

You can have unlimited casts via unlimited rest. If you get your spells resisted, you are not maximizing your DC. If resting was really limited, then going gish would be the only viable options. But it wasnt. Now go and try to play any semi-hardcore module like shrouded sun as a fighter. Youll be pissed off really quickly, while having no problems with a mage. Thats because the module is filled with powerful enemies , not just tons of trash. Now go to some pw and try to win a pvp fight vs a wizzard as a fighter. The only way you can beat him is to find him IRL and punch him in the face..

[FlatCat]

People who think the Dnd wizard is just a "attack the darkness with magic missle" guy don't understand the wizard.  The wizard is all about those saves.  Those dangerous spells are the ones that completely shutdown opponents so the old wizard can hobble over there and coup de grace them with his pen knife or outright kill them all together.  Save the magic missile junk for those wands you'll inevitably find.

The vancian magic system may have been silly but compared to this instant restore mana insanity and it's downright elegant.

[MANoob]

FlatCat wrote...

People who think the Dnd wizard is just a "attack the darkness with magic missle" guy don't understand the wizard.  The wizard is all about those saves.  Those dangerous spells are the ones that completely shutdown opponents so the old wizard can hobble over there and coup de grace them with his pen knife or outright kill them all together.  Save the magic missile junk for those wands you'll inevitably find.

The vancian magic system may have been silly but compared to this instant restore mana insanity and it's downright elegant.

+1

With the exception of those Force Missile Mages/Incantatrixes shapechanging into spellweaver and casting craploads of metamagiced magic missiles dealing thousands of irresistable damage in a round .

Modifié par MANoob, 24 novembre 2009 - 12:21 .