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[Chala]

javierabegazo wrote...

El_Chala_Legalizado wrote...

FluffyScarf wrote...

Well you've just opened up a can of worms. Bet this thread will stretch to 50 pages of bickering.

50?!
I say 70!

I'm going to bed. If when I wake up and I find and incredibly offensive posts or personal attacks, I won't hesitate to ban with extreme prejudice.

:innocent:

[KainrycKarr]

marshalleck wrote...

Are you sure? We still don't even know the specific mechanics of leveling a character, developing abilities, power evolutions, armor customization, etc.

It's possible, but indeterminate at the moment.

Actually we did see some of that.

[KainrycKarr]

DCopeland wrote...

It seems to set up better, but Mass Effect 1 had far superior amounts of RPG elements.
Butter luck next time buddy.

Like?

[marshalleck]

KainrycKarr wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Are you sure? We still don't even know the specific mechanics of leveling a character, developing abilities, power evolutions, armor customization, etc.

It's possible, but indeterminate at the moment.

Actually we did see some of that.

I said specific.

Do you know how many points a max level Shepard has to spend? Do you have a talent build planned out already? No, why not? Because we don't have enough information yet. Can't really say ME3 is better than ME1 if we don't even know what a complete character looks like.

Modifié par marshalleck, 09 juin 2011 - 06:30 .

[Admoniter]

Mesina2 wrote...
Loot. Was never gone in ME2 to begin with.

Quick question, aside from the 8+ (not counting  DLC) weapons what sort of loot is there in ME2? I don't recall picking up any armor pieces. I don't consider global stackable upgrades loot. And sure there is the occasional quest item but other than that what is there? Not to say that looting wasn't present in ME2; just that what we had it ME2 was a ****** poor excuse for it.

[KainrycKarr]

Mesina2 wrote...

clerkenwell wrote...

DCopeland wrote...

It seems to set up better, but Mass Effect 1 had far superior amounts of RPG elements.
Butter luck next time buddy.

Mass Effect 1 had: Several powers you could improve in a linear fashion, customizable weapons, customizable armor, and loot.

Mass Effect 3 has: Several powers you can improve in a freeform fashion, customizable weapons, customizable armor, and loot.

What Mass Effect 1 elements am I missing?

To make full story for you.


Well for starters it's now freeform to upgrade your powers.

Customizable weapons in ME1 are failure. No audio nor visual changes and I-X mods.

You can't customize your armor at all in ME1. And adding mods to it can hardly be called customization.

Loot. Was never gone in ME2 to begin with.

This.

Unless Bioware completely ditches everything they've shown us with ME3 thus far, it's pretty safe to say they have finally hit the "G-spot" of the hybrid action-rpg, so to speak.

[KainrycKarr]

marshalleck wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Are you sure? We still don't even know the specific mechanics of leveling a character, developing abilities, power evolutions, armor customization, etc.

It's possible, but indeterminate at the moment.

Actually we did see some of that.

I said specific.

We saw the actual menu of leveling and developing abilities, as well as weapon customization.

[marshalleck]

Sorry, see my late edit please.

[KainrycKarr]

Admoniter wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...
Loot. Was never gone in ME2 to begin with.

Quick question, aside from the 8+ (not counting  DLC) weapons what sort of loot is there in ME2? I don't recall picking up any armor pieces. I don't consider global stackable upgrades loot. And sure there is the occasional quest item but other than that what is there? Not to say that looting wasn't present in ME2; just that what we had it ME2 was a ****** poor excuse for it.

He didn't say it was good loot. He said it was loot. So....he's kinda right.

They came up with a better system that fit the actiony-style, but lacked variety and real customization in ME2.

They appear to have rectified that for ME3.

[KainrycKarr]

marshalleck wrote...

Sorry, see my late edit please.

Okay. Based on what we have seen, I am making the assumption that the end result will be even better, and even if it's only as good as what we have seen(3/4 a year before release) I would already say it's better than ME1, and leaps and bounds better than ME2.

[marshalleck]

 I agree it looks great, but it's still too early for a definitive statement. :happy:

[KainrycKarr]

Not definitive, not by a long shot, afterall they did say everything can change, and you never know...EA might pull the plug on the good stuff we've seen (Melee, skill development, etc..)

Though I think the trend of what we've seen is definately pointing beyond ME1.

[Admoniter]

KainrycKarr wrote...
They appear to have rectified that for ME3.

We shall see.

[CroGamer002]

marshalleck wrote...

Mesina2 wrote..

You can't customize your armor at all in ME1. And adding mods to it can hardly be called customization.

WTF? What exactly do you consider armor customization then? Changing its color patterns?

Anyways. It's looking strong now, but the game is still 9 months away. That's plenty of time for Bioware to decide something not working or just not worth it, and discard it.

If mods gave some visual change then it would be but no, it's just invisible stats.



ME2 in other hand did great job with customizing your armor.

Also spot a difference between this N7 armors with exception of color scheme and pattern.








THAT'S an armor customization.

[ShadowSplicer]

Mass Effect 2 by far had the better armor system. Let's be honest, did you REALLY feel epic when you saved the Citadel in flamboyant pink Phoenix armor?

[Terror_K]

While so far I have to admit that it's looking good, it's too early to tell still, IMO. And so far it seems we still only have combat powers rather than a wide array of skills, and there's still "Ammo Powers" which I still think it stupid (though without completely revamping the soldier, what choice did they have I suppose?)

I definitely do like the look of the ammo and power modding. Now to see how the rest of the upgrades and armour is handled I suppose and then maybe we'll have a good overall picture of which is better. As it stands there are some factors I prefer from ME1 and some I prefer from ME3. But hey... at least its better than we got in ME2, if nothing else.

[CroGamer002]

Admoniter wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...
Loot. Was never gone in ME2 to begin with.

Quick question, aside from the 8+ (not counting  DLC) weapons what sort of loot is there in ME2? I don't recall picking up any armor pieces. I don't consider global stackable upgrades loot. And sure there is the occasional quest item but other than that what is there? Not to say that looting wasn't present in ME2; just that what we had it ME2 was a ****** poor excuse for it.

Looting money. Ever heard of it?


And ME1 system was either the same thing( looting from creates, terminals) or garbage( looting from killed hostile).

I had no control in picking loot when killing enemy even though I have in every other RPG.
So I have to spend few minutes of creating everything into Omni-gel.



And for looting weapons entire game? Good riddance!

[KainrycKarr]

Terror_K wrote...

While so far I have to admit that it's looking good, it's too early to tell still, IMO. And so far it seems we still only have combat powers rather than a wide array of skills, and there's still "Ammo Powers" which I still think it stupid (though without completely revamping the soldier, what choice did they have I suppose?)

I definitely do like the look of the ammo and power modding. Now to see how the rest of the upgrades and armour is handled I suppose and then maybe we'll have a good overall picture of which is better. As it stands there are some factors I prefer from ME1 and some I prefer from ME3. But hey... at least its better than we got in ME2, if nothing else.

What other powers besides combat do you think we should have? From what we say, as you upgrade your Core sill(in this case Combat Mastery) you can choose to invest points in influence(paragon/renegade). That's non-combat.

Do you mean like opening locks and what-not, as in ME1? Cos I can live with that, and I can live without it.

[Fixers0]

Mesina2 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Mesina2 wrote..

You can't customize your armor at all in ME1. And adding mods to it can hardly be called customization.

WTF? What exactly do you consider armor customization then? Changing its color patterns?

Anyways. It's looking strong now, but the game is still 9 months away. That's plenty of time for Bioware to decide something not working or just not worth it, and discard it.

If mods gave some visual change then it would be but no, it's just invisible stats.



ME2 in other hand did great job with customizing your armor.

Also spot a difference between this N7 armors with exception of color scheme and pattern.

(image snip)

THAT'S an armor customization.

You probably never realised how weird it is that every store has N7 armor parts, and nothing else (on armor) .

[Chromie]

Mesina2 wrote...

THAT'S an armor customization.

Eh it's not very good. It's ok imo nothing special.

[Admoniter]

Mesina2 wrote...
Looting money. Ever heard of it?

Most games with an economy allow you to loot money, but its so basic and so specific I don't per se consider it loot like say picking up weapons, armor, mods.

And ME1 system was either the same thing( looting from creates, terminals) or garbage( looting from killed hostile).

Except you do not loot from hostiles in ME2; its just weapons left on couches.

I had no control in picking loot when killing enemy even though I have in every other RPG.
So I have to spend few minutes of creating everything into Omni-gel.

Never said ME1 handled it well, but atleast it had more than the same weapon on the same couch every single time.

And for looting weapons entire game? Good riddance!

Isn't that all we did in ME2?

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

OP, all I can say is, I hope you're wearing something flame-retardant.

[KainrycKarr]

Ringo12 wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

THAT'S an armor customization.

Eh it's not very good. It's ok imo nothing special.

It's pretty good, to me. Better than ME1(for shepard anyway. squadmates....not so much.)

[DragonRageGT]

someone wrote...

I looked at the ME3 demo today, was watching Liara's stats(powers), there are all glorious five of them with 6 levels each and just so that is not to confusing for all us idiots out here there is an auto level.

Yes freaking auto level for five powers, because it might be just to hard to read what each does. Thank God there are some like CDProjekt that still respect the intelligence of their player base or at least assume that we are mildly clever.

[Bryy_Miller]

It seems like ME3's leveling system is an upgraded ME1, what with each level being able to be modified.