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[Kurupt87]

We all know we get romantic relationships in ME, restricted to one character. I'd like to (no doubt for the umpteenth time and spuriosly at this point in development) suggest a similar scheme for a platonic relationship with a character.

Just like the romance options you get some build up time with them all then choose one specific character to be best buds with.

For some of the characters I don't really want to put my e-willy in their e-vag, or the other way round when playing as femShep (or e-willy into an e-bum/e-vag scissor session in ME3). I just want to have my Shep be closer to that character than the others but the only way to reflect that in game is to bone them.

Also, as I'm assuming serious ret-conning isn't going to happen, my dude Shep still won't have the option to become friends via exchanging bodily fluids with the male support cast or, similarly, my chick Shep with the women.

[Cypher0020]

^

This. SO MUCH This.

I just started my Femshep run with Liara as LI and Ash is the VS. I RPed her as being extremely friendly, and being an orphan who grew up in the slums of Earth, she was interested in Ash's family which sounded too good to be true. I picked optons that mean my Shep also was religious and enjoyed poetry and in general Ash's company... she looked for her... and purposely spared her on Virmire because she knew the girl could help her family if she lived...

Horizon just blew on so many levels. Ash's words cut deep.

I want to become closer to the person I respected in ME1 w/o having to nail her to get more convo options.....similar with Jack, Tali, Miranda... heck, even the guys... I still am wary to talk to Jacob or Thane.....

[Raiil]

I agree. In my headcanon, Garrus is my bro for life and I like to imagine that we have some more personal conversations than I do with, say, Mordin or Samara. Sometimes platonic bonds have a strength that romantic ones don't, and it should be reflected. :/

[Antivenger]

It's confirmed they're going for friendships in ME3! Moar prothean dialogue with Liara, I hope.

[Cypher0020]

Really?? Do you have a link please?

[Antivenger]

Sorry, read it somewhere too long a time ago, can't remember where from.

[Kurupt87]

Indeed, I hadn't heard anything like that so confirmation would be cool. I love sauce.

But yeah, I just want to be friends with these people.

Also, like Valentia intimates, platonic relationships generally tell you more about a person than their partner does.

[ElitePinecone]

Kurupt87 wrote...
Also, as I'm assuming serious ret-conning isn't going to happen, my dude Shep still won't have the option to become friends via exchanging bodily fluids with the male support cast or, similarly, my chick Shep with the women.

I'd imagine the option will be there - you just don't have to choose it. Some players who romanced characters in ME/ME2 may wish to start a new relationship with the same gender as Shepard in ME3 for a variety of reasons. 

On your first point, I absolutely agree that the friendship paths need to be developed further. I'm fairly confident that given what we've heard from Bioware, they're aiming for this as we speak and reacting to some (fairly well deserved) criticism that the platonic relationships have been shallow. 

Even something as simple as acknowledging what we've done together with some characters, akin to the brandy with Chakwas in ME2, would be great. I really enjoyed the chance to get to know her character better. 

[Jenaimarre]

I secretly(well, not so clandestine anymore) hope for a scene with Tali, Jack, Grunt, Ken, Gabriella and Shepard playing cards together.

I don't give a dang about the Reapers, I need to win me some credits.

[Medhia Nox]

Have a "best friend" would be an excellent concept.

Also - the conflicts between Miranda and Jack, Tali and Legion. You get one cut-screen, but they were excellent additions. It gives the NPCs life. Much, much more of this (for future RPGs obviously).

I hope Bioware tries moving more toward an ensemble cast and a little bit away from the single monolithic leader figure and his cronies.

The small mission with Joker - excellent. It gives Joker life - I can imagine him retelling that story to Shepard and then think about how my Shepard would react to it. It happens late in the game - but for something like that, I'd make him traumatized and Shepard could help, or be a hardass on Joker, in which case he would go the way of pouty Alistair (and become a drunk) or some such.

And I agree with ElitePinecone - more scenes like the one with Chakwas. The NPCs don't always have to be gun toting side-kicks. Heck - a best friend or love interest that never fights - that's great because they could be what the character is fighting for.

And as Jenaimare just said - give us a dinner scene, or cards, or a sport - something. Give us more scenes with the NPCs interacting with one another - Shepard can either encourage or discourage friends with various NPCs.

Of course - ME 3 seems to be about "factions" against the Reapers - but Bioware (and all RPG developers) need to focus on the "human" aspect - that's what an RPG should be about. I can shoot things in any old FPS - I can solve puzzles in any adventure game - I can achieve goals even in the Sims, but RPGs are about a character and that character's relationship with the world presented - the people, the places, and the events that unfold.

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 09 juin 2011 - 05:01 .

[Antivenger]

Jenaimarre wrote...

I secretly(well, not so clandestine anymore) hope for a scene with Tali, Jack, Grunt, Ken, Gabriella and Shepard playing cards together.

I don't give a dang about the Reapers, I need to win me some credits.

And I for a drinking session between Ash, Chakwas, Joker and Shepard.

Good time.. good times...

[Jenaimarre]

Gianna Parasini should hop onboard the Normandy too.

More the merrier.

[shepskisaac]

Definitely agree. I'm all for choices, so deep friendship should be available as a full replacement for romances.

[felipejiraya]

I think it was on twitter that Casey said they're trying to expand the relationship aspect of the game to include friendships.

It's a great idea, I can totally see my male Shepard and Garrus in a coach watching sports on TV and drinking beers. lol

[Kurupt87]

ElitePinecone wrote...
I'd imagine the option will be there - you just don't have to choose it. Some players who romanced characters in ME/ME2 may wish to start a new relationship with the same gender as Shepard in ME3 for a variety of reasons.

Really? Fair 'nuff. Not really a fan of ret-conning but ok. My comment was more of an exasperation at the ridiculousness of the games friendships that, if things stay as they are, you'd have to resort to shagging someone in order to become mates.

On your first point, I absolutely agree that the friendship paths need to be developed further. I'm fairly confident that given what we've heard from Bioware, they're aiming for this as we speak and reacting to some (fairly well deserved) criticism that the platonic relationships have been shallow.

I'll hold you to this

If it turns out to be false I'll haunt you damnit, haunt you!

Even something as simple as acknowledging what we've done together with some characters, akin to the brandy with Chakwas in ME2, would be great. I really enjoyed the chance to get to know her character better.

Yeah, that was a great scene. Small, optional scenes like this make the universe and characters so much more vibrant.

Modifié par Kurupt87, 09 juin 2011 - 06:27 .

[Fidget6]

I've been wanting this from the beginning.  You can have a bro-mance with Jacob, and during LotSB you can share a strong platonic bonding scene with Liara, but these little moments of friendship are few and far between in the ME-verse. That's why most people liked getting drunk with Chakwas so much, it was a very human moment of Shepard that didn't involve exchanging bodily fluids. 

Modifié par Fidget6, 09 juin 2011 - 05:09 .

[shepskisaac]

Kurupt87 wrote...
Really? Fair 'nuff. Not really a fan of ret-conning but ok. My comment was more of an exasperation at the ridiculousness of the games friendships that, if things stay as they are, you'd have to resort to shagging someone in order to become mates.

It's not retconning unless they specifically declared they ain't interested in Shep (of either gender). And they didn't so.

But I get your point. In many RPGs, if you don't pursue romance option you miss out alot of the character's backstory/secrets because it's part of the romance.

[bigSarg]

I totally support the idea of a more developed platonic relationships with my squad/crew or at least the option to get to know them better without having sex with them, IMHO thats what gives an RPG game its depth and increases the immersion factor of the game, I like the fact that if someone in my squad dies or has a personal issue that it effects me, if I don't know them or have not be given an opportunity to get to know them why should I care about their personal issues. I like the dialogue options in DA:O because you did have the opportunity to really connect with your team and know them on a personal level while you were in camp.

I was disappointed with the dialgue options available in ME2 when talking with Garrus and Tali, these 2 were old squadmates and there should have been a time for them to catch-up on what has happend over the last 2 years (like the time shep had a drink with the Doc) but unfortunately they were treated no different then new squadmembers, which seems unrealistic to me and kind of broke the immersion factor, you always react differently with someone you have a history with than someone you don't, there is always gonna be that familiarity between them, which was lacking in ME2.

[Puzzlewell]

I'm 100% on board for a friendship path in ME3. I've spent so many years of RPG gaming filling out friendships in my head that aren't really expanded upon in the game that it would be wonderful to actually see these friendships I have in my headcanon actually become true in the game.

I will admit I had a bit of an issue with having to gain Garrus and Tali's loyalty in ME2 all over again. I know the LM are basically to clear up whatever is bothering said teammate so that they can focus on the mission, but Garrus and Tali should already *be* loyal since they've known Shep the longest and went through what they did with them. Sure it would mean they'd have to find another reason to make us do their loyalty mission but I've always felt that Garrus was all of my Sheps' BFF and would gladly settle his issues without it seeming like I have to make him trust me first.

Modifié par CalamityRanger, 09 juin 2011 - 05:46 .

[BubbleSauce]

I'll roll with it, definitely a great idea, I eventually found myself running down to the main battery with pseudo hopefulness at the fact that Garrus might have something new to say to me, unfortunately it was just "can it wait for a bit" this and "Calibrations" that.
You always wanted to talk to me in Mass effect 1... you changed bro...

[Destroy Raiden_]

I would like to have bromances with my crewmen or a 2 option route for friendships maybe shep talks to ME2 and new ME3 characters till a certain point and then they can say we're friends right? And the player can choose if they're going to be best friends or just friends the difference is you won't get curtain info out of them if you're friends. A friend you'll do things for them to a limit and they'll tell you things to a curtain limit. Now if your best friends you'll be able to confide in them and they'll confide in you, they'll share info with you here that a friend won't. If the character came from ME series and has fallowed shep up to ME3 then they are auto best friends with shep. In the case of Ash who missed 2 and has come back for 3 she will be like the prior description sense you're now mending your relationship to her or Kaiden so after a curtain point he/she will ask are we friends yet? And in this case shep can answer: friends, best friends, or no the no option means they'll work with each other but shep doesn't like them or trust them anymore.

[bigSarg]

I was thinking it would be nice to have the same type of relationship meter as DA:O had, where the more you talked to them and depending on your replies would depend on how "friendly" they are with you and an intimate relationship didn't occur unless you first established a high friendship rating with them. The more you talked to them and the higher your friendship rating the more they revealed about themselves. As you prgressed you could take the flirtatious avenue with them or just the friendship avenue.

[Rogue-Element]

It's an interesting idea and since so many players have grown fond of all the squad mates I am sure a lot of people would like such a feature. With all the attention Bioware is already giving the romances (and other arguably more important aspects of the game) I doubt they'd be able to squeeze this in as well. Nevertheless I'd sooo be best bro's with Garrus

[alperez]

Couldn't agree more with this point OP.

Two of the worst things in me2 were the fact that if you didn't romance certain characters they just basically shut down and without the romance aspect the characters had actually very little to say otherwise.

Jack is a perfect example of this, a non romanced Jack either doesn't want to speak to you or has nothing to say and you don't get to know that much about them.

That and the problem of being nice to jack meant i had to pick the romance options which when i try to explain i'm not romancing her leads to being shouted at everytime i speak to her (seriously annoying).

I get that they wanted certain extra dialogue for romanceables but they went too far in that direction leaving no real dialogue for platonic relationships or they skewered it in the wrong way with certain characters giving a complete imbalance.

Friendly Garrus becomes mute while friendly Tali has lots to say, Miranda says very little but Jacob won't shut up is how it comes across which is completely off putting.

So any form of improvement in this aspect i think would be universally welcomed.

[Kurupt87]

Destroy Raiden wrote...

I would like to have bromances with my crewmen or a 2 option route for friendships maybe shep talks to ME2 and new ME3 characters till a certain point and then they can say we're friends right? And the player can choose if they're going to be best friends or just friends the difference is you won't get curtain info out of them if you're friends. A friend you'll do things for them to a limit and they'll tell you things to a curtain limit. Now if your best friends you'll be able to confide in them and they'll confide in you, they'll share info with you here that a friend won't. If the character came from ME series and has fallowed shep up to ME3 then they are auto best friends with shep. In the case of Ash who missed 2 and has come back for 3 she will be like the prior description sense you're now mending your relationship to her or Kaiden so after a curtain point he/she will ask are we friends yet? And in this case shep can answer: friends, best friends, or no the no option means they'll work with each other but shep doesn't like them or trust them anymore.

As nice as that would be I don't think it's the right choice. I think it is important that you only be allowed one best bud, otherwise it's not really any different, aside from dialogue content, to what we had in ME2 (disregarding the romance choice).

You could choose to be friends with a character by doing their loyalty mission. It's obviously tainted because it serves an obviously utilitarian aim too, a loyal person is a better subordinate than an unloyal one, and was the meat of the game but you could choose your friends there. The trouble was that you could only gain from doing them and you could do them all.

Having best bud restricted to one character not only makes that relationship more important, so better for the player, it also increases replayability, more bang for your buck.

Edit: I'm obviously all for more dialogue with all the companions. Just thought I'd make that clear, as I may have given off the opposite impression? Not sure.

Modifié par Kurupt87, 09 juin 2011 - 07:47 .