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[Fidget6]

knightnblu wrote...

Cheated on Ashley? I think not.

I romanced Ash in ME and when ME2 rolled around I was really looking forward to seeing her again. I fought across Horizon and chased off the bad guys and lo and behold, there's Ash! The one girl that I have been longing to see! She hugs me, calls me a traitor and then leaves saying she will report my "story" to the fleet and see if they believe me because obviously, she doesn't.

She apologizes later, barely, and said that she had changed and so had I, treason does that to a fellow apparently. If she is so psychotic as to not accept the fact that I died, spent two years in surgery to be brought back to continue fighting the Reapers, I would think that she would surmise that I have a valid reason for my sudden appearance and actions. Further, despite having asked Anderson where she was and being told she was on mission and it was classified, I would think that I also had an acceptable reason for not contacting her as well.

We served together, I took her on nearly every mission, and we did the horizontal mambo on my cabin before defying death and saving the galaxy. If anyone should know me, I would think that she would. So when I say that I don't answer to Cerberus, I don't believe that it would be much of a stretch for her to believe me. Personally, I would have thought that she would be amazed to see me walking around after my stint in space as a floating corpscicle, but no, that apparently happens all of the time. In fact, I daresay that Ashley would be able to regale you of dozens of tales of revived corpscicles who remained true to the William's principles, whatever the hell that means. So I ask you, how in the name of God did I cheat on her when I bedded Miranda or Tali on subsequent plays?

'Cause unless I missed something, she left me on Horizon when she hung me out to dry as a traitor to her, Anderson, and the Alliance. You can't do what she did and then claim it was all just a big misunderstanding and say that we will all laugh about this later. She may be back and she may be smoking hot, but she burned that bridge herself. Frankly, I don't even want her on my ship and she can go play with the Fifth fleet and Hackett for all I care.

I don't owe her anything, much less any loyalty. Miranda on the other hand, stood by me and resigned from Cerberus when TIM told her to ice me so that he could keep the Collector facility. That's who I owe my allegiance to, not Ashley.

Yeah, it's interesting how Bioware keeps using the term "cheating" when really.... if you've been dead for two years and then when you do finally see your love interest they b*tch you out and storm off, does that really count as cheating? 

[Spanky Magoo]

KawaiiKatie wrote...

Spanky Magoo wrote...

Isnt the romance feature as small a part as it does play part of the story? Who says that tali is more interesting than say miranda or that ashely is more important than thane? I mean seriously Im just trying to say if importance of character is subjective and if would rather have miranda and grunt than ash/kaiden and tali on some playthroughs why should I be punished with less of an experience for not liking a certain character?

I agree with this, and will repeat what I said above: there's a difference between a character that is more "important" to the plot, and a character that is important to Shepard.

Liara is arguably more "important" as a character, if only because her story spans across ME1, ME2 and her own DLC. Shepard's love-interest is arguably the most "important" person in Shepard's story, because he/she provides an emotional connection that gives Shepard something to fight for. (As Mordin said, it's hard to personify the galaxy, but he can think of his favourite nephew, and that makes him want to fight the Reapers.) Just because Liara is more "important" as an individual character, Liara's romance should be no more or less important than any other romantic option in the series.

And at a certain point, the exclusion of content for certain romances does begin to feel like a "punishment" for the player. I've a Shepard who was single through ME1 because I wanted to romance Jack, and if she's reduced to a small cameo slot in ME3 while Liara takes up all of the screentime, I'm going to feel shortchanged, considering that if I had romanced Liara instead, I would have gotten a romance throughout ME1, a reunion in ME2, an entire DLC, and tons of romantic content in ME3. My fear is that I'll feel "punished" for not making the "correct" romantic choice.

 
My thoughts exactly, Imagine if tali had been confirmed to be a cameo or in the final game you dont get to see her face. I bet lots of people would feel cheated in a way. Well I just hope they dont give the me2 LI a lesser role so that the me1 squaddies get more. 

[Fidget6]

KawaiiKatie wrote...

knightnblu wrote...

I don't owe [Ashley] anything, much less any loyalty. Miranda on the other hand, stood by me and resigned from Cerberus when TIM told her to ice me so that he could keep the Collector facility. That's who I owe my allegiance to, not Ashley.

While the bulk of your post is off-topic, I will say that if your relationship with Miranda has become more meaningful to your Shepard than his realtionship with Ashley, and yet Miranda isn't a permanent squadmate, there should be an option in ME3 that allows your Shepard to have frequent contact with Miranda, even though Ashley is the one fighting beside Shepard.

Skype?

[Medhia Nox]

Also - not being a squad mate doesn't mean that they won't be available to talk to.

Take Thane or Mordin (I'm aware he's not a love interest) - perhaps they're too old to go shooting crap, but maybe they're still on the Normandy?

Chakwas is someone you can talk to - but she doesn't run around with you killing stuff.

Yeoman Chambers you can sleep with - but, she isn't a squad mate.

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Look - I imagine that during all this, Shepard is going to want his LI at his side. It's possibly the end of the freaking galaxy. Even a bad ass doesn't just leave his LI on a planet and hope that Reapers don't attack.

I think all LI's will be in reach at all times.

[Fidget6]

Medhia Nox wrote...
Take Thane or Mordin (I'm aware he's not a love interest) - perhaps they're too old to go shooting crap, but maybe they're still on the Normandy?
 

Thane and Mordin were more than capable of holding their own on the battlefield......

[KawaiiKatie]

Fidget6 wrote...

KawaiiKatie wrote...

...there should be an
option in ME3 that allows your Shepard to have frequent contact with
Miranda, even though Ashley is the one fighting beside Shepard.

Skype?

That's what I was saying! There should be vid-mails or vid-chats (Dialogue options for the win! Paragon's would say, "I miss you baby!" while Renegades say, "Is it time for phone-sex?") that allow Shepard to stay in contact with his/her love-interest, even when that person is off on some other star system.

Medhia Nox wrote...

Look - I imagine that during all this, Shepard is going to want his LI at his side. It's possibly the end of the freaking galaxy. Even a bad ass doesn't just leave his LI on a planet and hope that Reapers don't attack.

I think all LI's will be in reach at all times.

I agree that Shepard would want his/her love-interest by his/her side while the galaxy is going up in flames, but I guess that isn't always Shepard's choice. The love-interests have their own wants and needs, and Shepard can't always stay with them.

And while I'll love to see all of the love-interests "in reach" at all times (maybe each character will have a "hub" we can visit, like Liara in the Shadow Broker Base?) I doubt that they'll all be on the Normandy, because Casey Hudson said that a lot of Shepard's old team have gone off into the galaxy to deal with their own problems.

[theSteeeeels]

oh my god why do people care so much about who batted their eyes them. this isnt a date night game

[Slurms McKenzie]

haha I like the vid chat idea. I'm not sure if it would be practical or a satisfactory resolution for a romance, I would be particularly irked if this was Jack's fate..........nonetheless, the idea still made me guffaw a little!

Good Luck and Stay Safe

[Eshaye]

Legion of Grunt wrote...

It didn't sound like Kenneth and Gabby cared who they worked for,so I have a feeling they'd stay there.I have a feeling Shepard might try making a pass at one of them,then the other would get angry and then they'd both realize they have feelings for each other (which everyone probably seen as obvious)


Edit:Typos

Yeah they did, they wanted to work for someone who believed in the Reaper treath and Shepard. ... 
Someone you had an encounter with that isn't a formal LI has a much higher chance of not returning. But because it's the same Normandy I wouldn't be surprised if much of the same crew like Gabby, Ken, Kelly, Chakwas are still there. 

Modifié par Eshaye, 09 juin 2011 - 10:10 .

[frostajulie]

If Thane isn't in ot I hope theres a graveside visit and a chat or vidmail with his kid something to acknowledge that there was some feelings there and Shepard is saving the galaxy and yet dealing with some personal grief. I know I know... dream big.

[Fidget6]

theSteeeeels wrote...
this isnt a date night game

Shows how much you know.

[naledgeborn]

Robhuzz wrote...

Ignore those kinds of comments. Those are simply Liara haters claiming Liara is BioWare's canon romance because she can't die in ME1 and ME2 (Obviously because they had a special plan to make her the shadow broker) but some people don't want to see this 

Are you sure about that?
Do you want me to bullet point the laundry list of "why Liara is the canon love interest"?
Or should I just skip said long ass laundry list and tell you you're wrong and that some people aren't hating but stating facts?

[Fidget6]

naledgeborn wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

Ignore those kinds of comments. Those are simply Liara haters claiming Liara is BioWare's canon romance because she can't die in ME1 and ME2 (Obviously because they had a special plan to make her the shadow broker) but some people don't want to see this 

Are you sure about that?
Do you want me to bullet point the laundry list of "why Liara is the canon love interest"?
Or should I just skip said long ass laundry list and tell you you're wrong and that some people aren't hating but stating facts?

I don't think Bioware was trying to make her "canon" she just seems to be their favorite character.

[KawaiiKatie]

Fidget6 wrote...

I don't think Bioware was trying to make [Liara] "canon" she just seems to be their favorite character.

Exactly. And I'm fine with Liara receiving more attention than other characters as an idividual, but her romance should not be more important than or warrant more content than any other romance option in the series. And if she does get far more content than other romances, it'll feels like players who chose to romance someone else are being punished by way of.... much less content.

And I don't mean to specifically pick on Liara, because it occurs to me that I've mentioned her a lot today. It's my fear that all love-interests who return as squadmates will receive more content than those who do not, simply because they are within arm's reach. There would be a lot of ways for Shepard to stay in contact with his/her far-off lover, and all of the romances should be "equal" in this sense.

[Fidget6]

KawaiiKatie wrote...

Fidget6 wrote...

I don't think Bioware was trying to make [Liara] "canon" she just seems to be their favorite character.

Exactly. And I'm fine with Liara receiving more attention than other characters as an idividual, but her romance should not be more important than or warrant more content than any other romance option in the series. And if she does get far more content than other romances, it'll feels like players who chose to romance someone else are being punished by way of.... much less content.

And I don't mean to specifically pick on Liara, because it occurs to me that I've mentioned her a lot today. It's my fear that all love-interests who return as squadmates will receive more content than those who do not, simply because they are within arm's reach. There would be a lot of ways for Shepard to stay in contact with his/her far-off lover, and all of the romances should be "equal" in this sense.

It seems like more attention will be given to Kaidan, Ash, or Liara since they were the romances in the first game, and the reason they couldn't join your party in the second is so they would be kept safe. And the developers seem to like the idea of you wrapping up the loose ends of your ME1 romance in this one.

[DrkFire410]

KawaiiKatie wrote...

knightnblu wrote...

I don't owe [Ashley] anything, much less any loyalty. Miranda on the other hand, stood by me and resigned from Cerberus when TIM told her to ice me so that he could keep the Collector facility. That's who I owe my allegiance to, not Ashley.

While the bulk of your post is off-topic, I will say that if your relationship with Miranda has become more meaningful to your Shepard than his realtionship with Ashley, and yet Miranda isn't a permanent squadmate, there should be an option in ME3 that allows your Shepard to have frequent contact with Miranda, even though Ashley is the one fighting beside Shepard.

I agree 100%. I was miranda to be int he game soo bad and as a squad mate so she can be with my shepard all the time. However if that is not the case then yes she needs to be able to communicate on a regular basis with my shepard. Also, if she isn't in the main game she better be in the first DLC!!!

KEEP MIRANDA IN THE GAME!!!!!!

[nitrog100]

Why is it that I practically had to beat Ashley away with a stick in Mass Effect 1 while pursuing Liara? I'm going for multiple playthroughs with Ashley, Liara, and Tali.

[Alamar2078]

I figure I'm going to import at least one romance with each romancable so I don't have a personal problem if some of the romances get better / different treatment than others.

Honestly though I do think that frequent contact or something of that nature would be appropriate. I don't need to have each relationship to be perfect either. If someone dies maybe at least they'll have a mission based around that for example. What I really want to see if the epilogue though.... I want to see the end result of the romances / how things play out / etc. If I have to sacrifice some in-game time with some characters so we get better character interaction with who is there then so be it.

[Abram730]

I think Ashley and Kaidan are the main cannon Love interests and Liara secondary(young and fickle).
ME2 were suicide mission flings IMO, although I hope there are some different reunions and dialog related to that.

Garrus & Tali could fit as secondary LI's.

[Hatchetman77]

IsaacShep wrote...

shnizzler93 wrote...

They haven't confirmed nor denied who the rest of the permanent squadmembers are going to be. I'd just wait. But they were only temporary squadmates or only cameos, I'm sure Bioware will make it justified.

They've already confirmed not all previous LIs will return as perma-squadmates and the video Q&A only further confirmed that. Since we already know Ash/Kaidan, Liara, Garrus & Tali are confirmed as full-squaddies, that means someone from the Thane/Jacob/Miranda/Jack group will not be returning as full-squadie.

Either that or just Kelli is not a potential squad mate...

[KawaiiKatie]

Abram730 wrote...

I think Ashley and Kaidan are the main cannon Love interests and Liara secondary(young and fickle).
ME2 were suicide mission flings IMO, although I hope there are some different reunions and dialog related to that.

Garrus & Tali could fit as secondary LI's.

I really think that we should avoid labling the romances as "primary" or "secondary," because it implies that some romances are more important than others. By such logic, the "light" romances like Samara and Kelly would be classified as tertiary, and that just uncalled for, because though their romance paths may contain less content than that of other romance options, their impact on Shepard and his/her story is no less great. As an element of importance to the story, all of the romances are equal.

Mass Effect 3 will be the end of Shepard's journey, taking place in a time of war. Though it is not always possible to see the one you love in a time of war, it is important for Shepard to remember what he/she is fighting for. I hope that all of the romances are treated equally in ME3, becaue even if Shepard has a love-interest that cannot be by his/her side, Shepard's lover is possibly the most important person in his/her story.

[Flashlegend]

KawaiiKatie wrote...

Flashlegend wrote...

Seriously, it's that simple. This
romance feature shouldn't be allowed to put a damper on what these games
are about, story and interesting characters.

Why would giving all of the love-interests the same amount of time and attention take away from the story and the interesting characters?

Furthermore, using your logic, shouldn't we expect Garrus' interactions in ME3 to be "extremely poor"? He can die in ME2! Therefore, why should Bioware put any effort into his ME3 dialogue? What about the Virmire Survivor? Any dialogue that Ash records has to be echoed by Kaidan! That's a lot of work! So why should Bioware even try? Does this mean that they should focus all of their attention on Liara? Make her the only "interesting" character?

Personally, I like to see a fleshed out cast. There's no reason why giving equal attention to all of our old friends (especially if Shepard is in love with one of them) should take away from the overall core story, or from the development of permanent squadmates.

I don't mean to imply that all of the old love-interest should be back as permanent squadmates in ME3, because I realize that this is highly unlikely. But if the character my Shepard loves cannot be by his/her side, why shouldn't Shepard be allowed to visit his/her love interest, or send emails, or have voice chats, or otherwise maintain contact with the person he/she is fighting for? I don't understand how this would take away from the game as a whole.

The only excuse I can think of where "equal" attention for all of the romances (be it through actual face-time with your love-interest or through indirect contact) would take away from the plot or the permanent squadmates is if Bioware is lazy. I sincerly doubt that they would avoid "fleshing out" squadmates just because they decided to add content between Shepard and his/her former love-interest. I am aware that anything Bioware adds to the game consumes both their time and reasources, but they know that the romances mean a lot to a lot of players, so I certainly hope that they add content that allows Shepard to maintain contact with his/her former love-interest, in a way deeper and more meaningful than a Horizon-esque cameo.

I think you should try responding(and reading) all of what I was responding to and talking about. That person was suggesting absolute equal attention given to ALL previous squad mates. If they have no relevance or importance to the story, then no. I NEVER said we shouldn't be able to visit and see all the love interests in some shape or form, but to want them all as possible squad mates just isn't feasible. I'd appreciate it if you don't put words in my mouth. Thanks.

Modifié par Flashlegend, 10 juin 2011 - 02:01 .

[Raiil]

A couple of things:


One- guys, Thane is most likely not dead, as there's supposed to be some conflict between your LI in ME1 and ME2. It's hard to argue over a corpse, at least not with some serious psychological issues coming into play. Plus, you know, the whole 'I got a transplant and bought myself a few years' card is possible. Along those lines: if he's dying, he's got more of a reason to stay with Shepard- spend as much time with your LI as you possibly can before you pop your clogs.


Yes, I imagine that Jack/Jacob/Miranda/Thane romancers- hell, even the Kelly/Samara romancers- are going to be super-pissed if we're relegated to cameo status. I, for one, don't like the idea that the ME1 crew is the 'better' crew for the job; I just brought eleven of the most badass people to walk to the galaxy, walked through hell with them- and we survived. Yay, Kaidan's a spectre. Thane and Jacob have the experience I need to win this war in a way Kaidan doesn't.

And I love Tali and Garrus, and I consider their experience to be beyond the VS/Liara. Not because they're pansies, but because their job has been elsewhere. I have a crew that I trust, who trusts me, and in one case (Thane in particular for my Shep), I've got someone who stood with me when hell and high water came. I don't want to spend weeks with Mister 'I kicked a turian in the teeth' and only get to vidchat with the person I choose to be with. It's a cheap move and I'll be pissed.


So I'm hoping we have that one space open for the ME2 LI if they're not Garrus or Tali, or for someone of our choosing if we didn't romance anyone in that game. And for the sake of Kelly shippers, I hope her perky, psychoanalysing ass is back on board as our yeoman. And please, please, Bioware, for those who showed interest in Samara, please acknowledge that. Even just a passing reference in a conversation, or perhaps a short dialogue where she tells you she's reconsidering, so please make it through the war because she cares about you deeply.


Just don't kick those of us who went a different route in the teeth when it comes to dialogue/appearences.

[KainrycKarr]

Honestly, I think all the LI's will have the same amount of LI-related dialogue and screen-time, but the non-squaddies will have drastically less non-LI-related stuff.

So, as far as romance-related convos and screentime, I wouldn't worry about it, but I would expect less OVERALL screen-time and attention.

[KawaiiKatie]

KainrycKarr wrote...

Honestly, I think all the LI's will have the same amount of LI-related dialogue and screen-time, but the non-squaddies will have drastically less non-LI-related stuff.

So, as far as romance-related convos and screentime, I wouldn't worry about it, but I would expect less OVERALL screen-time and attention.

I would actually be really cool with this, actually. If Jack, for example, was reduced to a cameo-slot in ME3 and only showed up for one mission unless Shepard romanced her. If she's in love with Shepard and goes out of her way to talk to him outside her cameo appearance, this might make her romance-path feel more unique than her teammate-path, because she's only talking to Shepard because they shared something special.