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[Homebound]

frylock23 wrote...

Can you imagine the fan rage if some were delegated to cameos?

Hmmmm, as a Kaidan faithful, I can't quite imagine that at all.

/sarc

oh you pour soul.
*interrupt*
(paragon hug)

[Photobomb]

Call me a sadist but I think if Bioware had your love interest die in the opening levels it would be so epic Chuck Norris would explode.

Shep, "Good news Miranda, I was found not guilty!"
Miranda, "I have even better news, I can have kids after all."
/oh noes here comes da Reapers.
Miranda looks up. /splat
Shep, "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO"

[Zimary]

Maybe they're not squad members, but they're still on the ship (like Kelly). Since you're looking to unite all the races against the Reapers, while you go and take care of the missions, they're gathering information, managing the forces, and preparing for the next move or something. Its somewhat plausible, since I remember seeing some Salarian and Quarian as well as Legion on the Normandy.

[LetsGoToMyHouse]

I felt like I should share my own personal experience playing ME1 and 2 to demonstrate my opinion on the romances. I agree with the OP that despite the importance of a character, Shepard's love interest will be a lot more important to Shepard than said important character. ( I hope that made sense)

Anyway, regarding my own experience, I recently played through both games. My Shepard didn't pursue a relationship in ME1 because after playing through both games multiple times, I have realized that I have found Kelly to be the character that I have liked the most and could actually form a connection with (despite the lack of content). I liked the fact that Shepard and Kelly could playfully flirt, and show genuine affection and interest in one another. With Kelly, you actually had a chance to 'date' her in a sense. I thought the two of them having dinner together, Kelly offering to look after Shepard's pets, and the cuddling were all really genuine and touching parts of the romance.

Now, I am not trying to turn this post into a "Kelly is the best love interest!!" post, that is not my intention. To me, and my Shepard, she is important. This is where it ties into the OP's opinion on LI importance to Shepard. When Kelly and the crew was captured by the Collectors, it actually deepened my immersion and emotional response because Kelly is really important to my Shepard. It really connected me with Shepard because it made my/Shepard's decision to not waste time and immediately head through the Omega 4 Relay that much more urgent and emotional.

Kelly may be considered by some as a "secondary" LI, but to me, my Shepard, and other Kelly fans out there, she is by far the most important.

Thanks for your time if you read that

[Silentmode]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...
Well, considering Jacob and Miranda are/were Cerberus I think there are multiple opportunities for huge plot tie in with them even if they aren't squad memebers. I would argue that anybody gettting in a romance with Thane was warned flat out "hey, this guy will die!" I'm not saying he's out of the picture for certain, but it's not really a sucker punch if he is either. The only person really left "dangling" so to speak is Jack, and we don't know what's in store for her yet.

I could see Jack fitting into the Cerberus subplot really well also actually. I'd imagine she's out for revenge against TIM. And I hope they don't pull a "I got better." with Thane. If I recall Jesse Houstan said ME3 takes place 6-12 months after the end of ME2. That should mean Thane is either A) Dead already. Or On deaths doorstep.

I couldn't see Jacob coming back for more than being a temp squaddie if that. To put it bluntly he's just not popular enough. Thane should not be back for previously mentioned reasons. I don't think they will bring Miranda and Jack both back, simultaniously at least, so it's my suspicion there will be a Virmire survivor like choice between them thats directly related to TIM and Cerberus. Maybe side with Miri who takes over Cerberus or side with Jack who disbands Cerberus completely (assuming TIM is an antagonist we have to eventually face).

[ThatDancingTurian]

KawaiiKatie wrote...

Oh, I'd also like to add that I think vid-chats and emails would work great for those of us who pursued light-romances like Kelly Chambers and Samara. Actual face-time with that love-interest would be awesome (and will probably happen, at least as a cameo) but vid-chats and emails would really help flesh out those relationships!

Wh-... Wha? Samara is no more a love interest than Varric or Aveline. A single flirt line and rejection does not a romance make. You have more of a relationship with The Consort than you do with Samara. I think her rejection was undeniably final.

[Marta Rio]

Here's my 2 cents on how to Bioware's going to treat the existing romances this time around:

I'm thinking that we'll basically get 3 mentions of the romance:

(1) When we meet up with our LI again  - this will probably consist of a few lines of dialogue.

(2)  For a permanent squaddies - another romance conversation on board the Normandy after a certain plot trigger.  For temp squaddies or cameos- another romance conversation after completing a mission in which your LI was involved.  After this conversation, temp squaddie/cameo will say "See ya at the final battle...."

(3) Sex scene the night before the final battle (really, are we expecting anything different?).

Any cheating ramifications could be implemented either at point (1) or point (2).

I don't think it'd be too difficult to treat the LIs fairly equally, at least in terms of number of romance-related interactions. 

[KawaiiKatie]

LetsGoToMyHouse wrote...

When Kelly and the crew was captured by the Collectors, it actually deepened my immersion and emotional response because Kelly is really important to my Shepard. It really connected me with Shepard because it made my/Shepard's decision to not waste time and immediately head through the Omega 4 Relay that much more urgent and emotional.

Kelly may be considered by some as a "secondary" LI, but to me, my Shepard, and other Kelly fans out there, she is by far the most important.

That's an excellent example of why Shepard's romance is a key plot of the story, regardless of how "important" the individual character may be to the overall plot! Yes, Kelly may just be a secretary, but if Shepard is in a loving relationship with her, she's important, and should be given just as much attention in ME3 as any other love interest.

Thanks for posting that! I'm really glad you did! :happy:

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

Wh-... Wha? Samara is no more a love interest than Varric or Aveline. A single flirt line and rejection does not a romance make. ... I think her rejection was undeniably final.

The finality of her rejection is debatable, especially considering that the game records and remembers all of these conversations. I will not be surprised if Samara brings up that Shepard "found someone else" if he/she pursued a different romance after being rejected by Samara. I will also not be surprised if Samara sends Shepard emails if he/she is "loyal" to her, because she implied a very deep connection to Paragon Shepard, going so far as to say that she "could find more than happiness" with Shepard.

Marta Rio wrote...

I'm thinking that we'll basically get 3 mentions of the romance...

Hmm, you know, I hadn't really considered that. I pretty much assumed that Liara, Garrus, Tali and the Virmire Survivor will have a lot to say about his or her romance with Shepard, and that they would hav eplenty of time to say it, given their full-time status. The Virmire Survivor in particular should have a lot to say, given the way things ended on Horizon, especially if Shepard ever "cheated."

I hadn't considered that the "romanced" versus "not-romanced" versions of Liara, Garrus, Tali and the Virmire Survivor might not actually be that differnet, though I suppose I really should have. There's a mental block in my mind that says "permanent squamates = more content than cameo squadmates"... but I suppose that this isn't necessarily true.

Thanks for pointing that out, it's definitely something to consider!

Modifié par KawaiiKatie, 10 juin 2011 - 04:00 .

[ThatDancingTurian]

KawaiiKatie wrote...

The finality of her rejection is debatable, especially considering that the game records and remembers all of these conversations. I will not be surprised if Samara brings up that Shepard "found someone else" if he/she pursued a different romance after being rejected by Samara. I will also not be surprised if Samara sends Shepard emails if he/she is "loyal" to her, because she implied a very deep connection to Paragon Shepard, going so far as to say that she "could find more than happiness" with Shepard.

The game records and remembers everything, that doesn't mean it's going to be a 'thing'. I personally would be very surprised if Samara reacts differently to someone based on that single line. Samara's connection and loyalty to Shepard was strong regardless of whether or not you flirted with her.

[KawaiiKatie]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

The game records and remembers everything, that doesn't mean it's going to be a 'thing'. I personally would be very surprised if Samara reacts differently to someone based on that single line. Samara's connection and loyalty to Shepard was strong regardless of whether or not you flirted with her.

That's certainly reasonable, and I believe that Samara is a special case (or maybe even an exception) to the overall of topic of this thread, because you're right: she turned Shepard down, and nothing may come of it in ME3. Just because she is important to Shepard, Shepard may not be as important to her--or at least not as important as her Code. Still, I think that if you exclusively followed Samara romance-path, this should be mentioned somewhere in ME3, even if it's just Samara reminding Shepard that it's definitely not going to happen with her.

In this instance, I would be okay with an romance being "unequal" to the others, because if it's a romance that Samara doesn't want, than no, there shouldn't be excessive content involving her romance.

[ThatDancingTurian]

KawaiiKatie wrote...

That's certainly reasonable, and I believe that Samara is a special case (or maybe even an exception) to the overall of topic of this thread, because you're right: she turned Shepard down, and nothing may come of it in ME3. Just because she is important to Shepard, Shepard may not be as important to her--or at least not as important as her Code. Still, I think that if you exclusively followed Samara romance-path, this should be mentioned somewhere in ME3, even if it's just Samara reminding Shepard that it's definitely not going to happen with her.

In this instance, I would be okay with an romance being "unequal" to the others, because if it's a romance that Samara doesn't want, than no, there shouldn't be excessive content involving her romance.

I just think it'd be a silly waste of resources to bring it up again just so Samara can shut you down again. She used the words 'never' and 'impossible', her intent is already crystal clear. There is no 'path' to follow because it's already finished.

[greed89]

Personaly for in Game Reasons i Cant see Thane Or Jack Leaving your side if there LI's

Thane would want to spend his last days with femshep

and Jack wouldn't Leave the man she loves when he is about to go into the biggest fight of his life

[KawaiiKatie]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

I just think it'd be a silly waste of resources to bring it up again just so Samara can shut you down again. She used the words 'never' and 'impossible', her intent is already crystal clear. There is no 'path' to follow because it's already finished.

I think that we'll just have to agree to disagree, because I don't think that it would be that difficult to tack an extra line on to the end of Samara's cameo, either saying "I'm glad that you were able to find someone more suitable" if Shepard has chosen a different character to romance, or "I hope that you are not pining for me, Shepard. It can never be" if Shepard has not. A "silly" use of resources, yes, but also a realitively small one, one that could definitely help with immersion, and act as a nice addition to the overall recognition of Shepard's choices.

Modifié par KawaiiKatie, 10 juin 2011 - 04:43 .

[KawaiiKatie]

Hmm, according to Christina Norman on Twitter (@truffle) "For those asking about "permanent" squad members, don't assume squad members will work the same way as me1 and me2"

...does this mean that all of the love-interests will be getting equal screentime? Colour me intrigued!