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[Waltzingbear]

ShadowSplicer wrote...

Well she IS an AI, those are highly unpredictable... And it even seems as if the Geth are starting to question their existence. Perhaps they are sentient in the end, we'll have to see how it all pans out. Anyway, I support Legion/EDI romance in ME3! lol

Just because they can think creatively doesn't mean that they would develop psychological pattern that are present in humans. Trauma is there because it was more effective to have it; this is not necessarily the same condition with the Geth.

[Cowboy_christo]

EDI isnt a freaking equivalent of Moya from farscape. Its an AI.

[BarrelDrago]

Nashiktal wrote...
Thats how it would be. No pain, just loss of function.

Or we could compare it to being stuck in a powerless elevator, or being cut off the internet becose the reseau crash again. No real physical pain, but still in both case if thing last a while you will be affected eventually. Like EDI herself once said: "some minute are longer than other's"

[Weiser_Cain]

Or or Legion pulled her out of the ship and she's running a geth colossus now.

[Waltzingbear]

BarrelDrago wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...
Thats how it would be. No pain, just loss of function.

Or we could compare it to being stuck in a powerless elevator, or being cut off the internet becose the reseau crash again. No real physical pain, but still in both case if thing last a while you will be affected eventually. Like EDI herself once said: "some minute are longer than other's"

I wonder how many more times I can say that- she won't feel any of these things unless she was designed to.
Humans suffer because suffering was productive in their evolution process, I don't think EDI needs a stick to beat her for her to act at maximum capacity.

[Someone With Mass]

She sounded just fine in the E3 demo.

[BubbleSauce]

Dude, I'm sorry, but think about this logically, SHE'S A BLOODY AI

No matter how sentient or close to an organic brain she gets, she will never feel pain, think about it, pain is a response in organic life forms that impedes and stunts progress in the task that you are doing. (think of it like running a mile, then being shot in the arm, and forced to run back again)

If you were building an AI like the geth for example, why would you allow it to feel pain? It has no positive outcomes...

[BarrelDrago]

BubbleSauce wrote...

Dude, I'm sorry, but think about this logically, SHE'S A BLOODY AI

No matter how sentient or close to an organic brain she gets, she will never feel pain, think about it, pain is a response in organic life forms that impedes and stunts progress in the task that you are doing. (think of it like running a mile, then being shot in the arm, and forced to run back again)

If you were building an AI like the geth for example, why would you allow it to feel pain? It has no positive outcomes...

cut both arms and both leg of a geth and what does he do?  for the greater good of all geth he will self destruct.

cut the eye, and sensor and mostly everyway of communicate of EDI and what will she do? what will she think?

you people seem to think that if she is deprave of the capacity to interact with the physique world she will just wait in the corner and do nothing. We think as a ARTIFICIAL INTELIGENCE that she will do the only thing that she will be able to do during that time! She will think! About what, you tell me.

[thetruefreemo]

It happened to shepard.

[Omega-202]

You should be less concerned about the refitting of the Normandy and more concerned with the Alliance having STRICT laws against AI's.

Its surprising enough that the Alliance didn't remove her and completely erase her. Her simple existence is a direct violation of Council law. She'd be lucky if taking apart the Normandy was the least they did to her. I wouldn't be surprised if the Alliance puts dampeners or other safeguards on her to keep her restrained.

[Haristo]

So you felt sorry when you learned that in Star Wars Episode 3, C3-PO has been reprogrammed...

It's a fricking robot, an android, artificial, even if it has its own mind it don't remember anything from when it is closed, kind of like you we're in your mother's belly.

[Medhia Nox]

Somebody has never watched Nip Tuck... people get their bodies redesigned all the time nowadays.

And yes - some of them do freak out after seeing their "new selves".

But if she EDI didn't have a computer meltdown from suddenly feeling the ship - she's not gonna freak over having her thrusters overhauled.

[felipejiraya]

The Spectres are above the law so I don't think the Alliance will mess with EDI even if they're repainting and refitting the Normandy since it's Shepard's ship.

[Flashlegend]

BarrelDrago wrote...

BubbleSauce wrote...

Dude, I'm sorry, but think about this logically, SHE'S A BLOODY AI

No matter how sentient or close to an organic brain she gets, she will never feel pain, think about it, pain is a response in organic life forms that impedes and stunts progress in the task that you are doing. (think of it like running a mile, then being shot in the arm, and forced to run back again)

If you were building an AI like the geth for example, why would you allow it to feel pain? It has no positive outcomes...

cut both arms and both leg of a geth and what does he do?  for the greater good of all geth he will self destruct.

cut the eye, and sensor and mostly everyway of communicate of EDI and what will she do? what will she think?

you people seem to think that if she is deprave of the capacity to interact with the physique world she will just wait in the corner and do nothing. We think as a ARTIFICIAL INTELIGENCE that she will do the only thing that she will be able to do during that time! She will think! About what, you tell me.

She's an AI dude. While the AI evolving to something more theme comes up up in a lot of Sci fi, it's absolutely not worth discussing here because we all know Bioware isnt going to be taking Edi in that direction. Simple, this hypothetical traumatization you're ranting about(and doing a poor job at might I add) is not gonna happen. Drop it.

[Occulo]

Haristo wrote...

It's a fricking robot, an android, artificial, even if it has its own mind...

Wow. Uh. I'm not sure Legion would like you...

I'm surprised at how much passion there is in this thread. Well, I guess people can get riled up about anything.

Personally I'd be at least a bit annoyed if someone tampered with "my body" arbitrarily. And pissed off if the Alliance suggested shackling me and making me wear "gloves" again. I don't think EDI will feel pain, but that doesn't mean she can't be angry. Remember how annoyed she used to be with Joker?

[shadowreflexion]

Epsilon330 wrote...

Think about it: After EDI is hooked up to the SR2 near the end of ME2, she refers to herself as the Normandy itself, with it becoming her "body".

Now, we all know that the Normandy SR2 will remain in ME3, and EDI too, but with some Alliance retrofitting done. This means taking it apart, studying it, adding new tech, and putting it back together.

Now, EDI is (arguably) sentient. That would be a huge traumatic experience for any sentient being, artificial or not.

I hope she isn't mentally scarred too much (or at all), 'cause the Normandy needs a badass AI, and Joker needs a cockpit-Buddy.

Wow. It looks like many people who responded to this forgot some basics that EDI employed when speaking. When the shackels were limiting her, she expressed what could be interpreted as freedom when Joker took them off. That in itself shows evolution. Remember the VI on the citadel who was willing to destroy itself and Shep's team? Now that VI wouldn't have an emotion.

EDI considered the feelings of the team to be a factor in her decisions. (Yes I do refer to EDI as "her".) I can see EDI calculating the term trust. I can see EDI calculating what violation may feel like. When the Geth evolved, they wanted to ensure their survival. Does that make them less than human beings if they had that knowledge? While they may not feel pain as we do, who's to say that they don't interpret what pain may mean to them? 

Even when Legion wanted to speak to EDI, she immediately asked Shep if it was ok. When Legion sent messages she showed concern about how the crew may feel if they discovered that and she choose to speak to Legion. She's an advanced AI who became more once her security protocols were off.

As far as mental scarring, I think that while she can't feel that, she most definately will try to understand to the best of her logic of why this is happening to her since she saved the crew on numerous occassions. 
So yes, I agree with you that for any individual, that would be a trying experience. Even Legion couldn't come up with the answer as to what they may "feel" during his loyalty mission and they think at the speed of light.

[imnar]

i think edi will have a humanoid form in me3

[ramnozack]

IDC what the alliance says its my ship nots theirs if they dont like that then come and take your ship back then you bunch of pansies! oh wait U DONT HAVE ANY SHIPS! FAIL! and they better not touch EDI or i will mess em up myself

[Shimmer_Gloom]

I don't see the hostility people are showing to this idea. "EDI is a robot of course she can't feel pain." Is a gross simplification of the topic at hand and nobody likes to hear, "drop it dude you are an idiot."

Is it possible that EDI could suffer psychological trauma due to emotional distress? Can AI feel emotions? Does EDI? I think we can talk about these questions without getting testy right?

EDI is, for all intents and purposes, a PERSON. To say she is only 'programed' to act a certain way is completely missing the point. EDI can think for herself. She learns and grows and changes throughout the course of ME2... have any of you even read the wiki?

Discuss.

[imnar]

i think edi will have a humanoid form in me3

[ramnozack]

imnar wrote...

i think edi will have a humanoid form in me3

Mass Effect's Cortana?

Also i dont discuss on your command shimmer! besides this is more or less surgery for EDI like breast implants for the Normandy.

Modifié par ramnozack, 10 juin 2011 - 04:54 .

[ThatDancingTurian]

You're not the only one, OP. I know it's silly, but I felt bad for EDI when I heard the Alliance was taking over. I hope they didn't shackle or try to delete her.

[Sinapus]

ramnozack wrote...

imnar wrote...

i think edi will have a humanoid form in me3

Mass Effect's Cortana?

Or Rommie?

[Medhia Nox]

EDI: Shepard - I'm worried that the Alliance will shackle me again.

Shepard: Then act like a computer until we're back out in space.

EDI: Oh, good call - that's why you're the commander.

Shepard: Yeah - and that's why you're so called intelligence is "artificial".

[Had-to-say]

Medhia Nox wrote...

EDI: Shepard - I'm worried that the Alliance will shackle me again.

Shepard: Then act like a computer until we're back out in space.

EDI: Oh, good call - that's why you're the commander.

Shepard: Yeah - and that's why you're so called intelligence is "artificial".

Funny he is teaching the AI to be deceptive. This could be a problem If EDI  ever decides it wants to self preserve.
Thanks OP. This is something I have wondered about. Aren't AI's illegal in the Mass Effect universe?