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[ME-ParaShep]

felipejiraya wrote...

The Spectres are above the law so I don't think the Alliance will mess with EDI even if they're repainting and refitting the Normandy since it's Shepard's ship.

If anything goes wrong with the ship, Shepard can always pull of the violent *RENEGADE INTERRUPT* and threat to cut their balls off and sell it to his/her favorite store on the Citadel

[The_11thDoctor]

Epsilon330 wrote...

Now, EDI is (arguably) sentient.

there is no question about EDI being sentient... She is. She's an AI that can make a joke and understands humor, expresses concern and has feelings. Where is the question? Though I really hoped EDI would get a cybernetic body so Joker could hook up with her. It's Sci  Fi after all. Like Melfina in Fist of the North Star. Just reattach when she needs to run a key componient to the ship.

[PinkDiamondstl]

EDI's a AI so who cares.

[BarrelDrago]

PinkDiamondstl wrote...

EDI's a AI so who cares.

Nop, EDI is a fictional character in a science fiction game universe. Wich kinda point out this question: who care about the game at all?

o i know, the rest of the community...

on the topic about Shepard being stish together you are forgeting one important point. He wasn "online" when most of the procedure appen. Unless you are shutting her down too she will be aware.

I still would go with the Normandi 2 being taken from Shepard a unfortunate suprise of his arrival to earth, he may have time to ask EDI to play dead but at some point the alliance personnel are still gona find something fishy.

Also i dont know if you notice but EDI as the power to manipulate her own code to fit any situation, one of the ability that she gained greater ability over it when she got free. Such can be seen as her trying to make joke.

So as she will be striped appart by stranger, what will she be thinking about? her thought?

[Gravbh]

You humans are all benign anthropomorphic racists.

During his loyalty mission, Legion says that applying organic values to machines/AI is not only misplaced, it's actually a form of racism.

Legion basically says you shouldn't feel sorry for EDI as you would a person. Are you going to argue with Legion?

[Thompson family]

Whether the Alliance nerfs EDI is still one of my greatest fears.

[Marvin the Paranoid Android]

I hate EDI

[Foryou]

no she's an AI

[EternalPink]

Considering EDI manages to stay sane during the 99% of a minute that she has nothing to do (conversation were legion asks her how she manages to maintain stability without anybody to interact with) and she didn't start screaming when that collector probe blows a great big hole in the normandies belly i think she'll be alright.

A better question is why would she allow the alliance to do anything to the normandy that she doesnt approve of considering she has control over the entire ship and could go stealth and FTL away if she so desired or open all the airlocks like she did with the collectors.

EDI even tells us that in a fight between two AI's the one with the better hardware would win and its only the addition of human error (pilot) that changes that.

So we know she's fully capable of running the ship without anybody to help

Modifié par EternalPink, 11 juin 2011 - 02:31 .

[MDT1]

Also why should EDI feel pain?
We feel pain because it helps us survive but why should a programmer give EDI the actuall ability to feel pain it could only distract her.
This doesn't mean she isn't aware of it of course.

[Turran]

GLADOS was put into a potato and she survived..

[marshalleck]

Omega-202 wrote...

You should be less concerned about the refitting of the Normandy and more concerned with the Alliance having STRICT laws against AI's.

Its surprising enough that the Alliance didn't remove her and completely erase her. Her simple existence is a direct violation of Council law. She'd be lucky if taking apart the Normandy was the least they did to her. I wouldn't be surprised if the Alliance puts dampeners or other safeguards on her to keep her restrained.

Someone didn't read Revelation. The Alliance is quite keen on AI research actually. Go to the Wiki and look up Sidon.

[Dannyboy9876]

AI are capable of complex emotions, but EDI can't feel pain, as far as we know.

I'm surprised the Alliance didn't remove her completely.

EDIT: Didn't read above comment.

Modifié par Dannyboy9876, 11 juin 2011 - 03:06 .

[BarrelDrago]

Dannyboy9876 wrote...

AI are capable of complex emotions, but EDI can't feel pain, as far as we know.

again not talking about physical pain ir guy >.>

thk anyway for saying that she can have emotions

and legion did mention her sanity in one of there dialogue. Are you gona argue the Geth collective as perseptif of AI sanity? She could get traumatise after this and this is what we fear.

[azerSheppard]

Very valid question OP, we are too quick to dismiss AI.

[Dannyboy9876]

BarrelDrago wrote...

Dannyboy9876 wrote...

AI are capable of complex emotions, but EDI can't feel pain, as far as we know.

again not talking about physical pain ir guy >.>

thk anyway for saying that she can have emotions

and legion did mention her sanity in one of there dialogue. Are you gona argue the Geth collective as perseptif of AI sanity? She could get traumatise after this and this is what we fear.

I'm talking about MENTAL pain.

[Weiser_Cain]

I got the distinct feeling that the EDI would "die" for us.

[Raiil]

Gravbh wrote...

You humans are all benign anthropomorphic racists.

During his loyalty mission, Legion says that applying organic values to machines/AI is not only misplaced, it's actually a form of racism.

Legion basically says you shouldn't feel sorry for EDI as you would a person. Are you going to argue with Legion?

Legion also thinks that shackling EDI is wrong, thus projecting his/the geth's views onto humans, so at best he's a hypocrite.

Back on topic- yes, I think EDI would be capable of feeling distress. No, she has no neurological system to feel pain. Imagine if you went to sleep, and then woke up without eyes. You didn't feel the process, you don't know how it happened, but suddenly you can't see. Is it less distressing because there was no physical pain involve?

You know how Mordin says he doesn't do experiments on creatures that can do calculus? For a lot of people, the question of sentience is dependent on whether the being in question can philosophise or do anything other than logic. EDI is capable of both. She is able to determine a name for Legion by making an analogy, she tries to make jokes, she worries about the wellbeing of the crew, she abstractly portrays herself as the Normandy instead of saying 'my hardware and software are hardwired into this ship.' She chooses to speak with Legion in a manner that doesn't disclude other beings and restrains herself to help her crew.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Legion was projecting his views onto EDI not humans, and he was right. She seems much happier unshackled. The comparison between what he said on the Heretic Station and what Cerberus did to EDI would be more along the lines of specifically questioning what would be best for EDI, not what humans themselves should be doing to her.

As far as EDI goes I'm sure she won't feel any pain or anything like discomfort unless the Alliance starts messing with her core. The Normandy got pretty beat up on the approach to the Collector Base. EDI never seemed to scream in pain whenever the ship burst into flames or suffered any damage from the battle in that region of space.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 12 juin 2011 - 04:37 .

[sympathy4saren]

I didn't know SR2 was back, I thought there was a new ship. In fact, I read that there was a new ship.

[Fleetleader101]

I guess this is a good point. edi is almost aware of her self now. Will she feel violated by all of this? Idk she never really complained when I put the armor and stuff on in mass 2, but I get where your going with this and I kindof like it.

[Kileyan]

BarrelDrago wrote...

Dannyboy9876 wrote...

AI are capable of complex emotions, but EDI can't feel pain, as far as we know.

again not talking about physical pain ir guy >.>

thk anyway for saying that she can have emotions

and legion did mention her sanity in one of there dialogue. Are you gona argue the Geth collective as perseptif of AI sanity? She could get traumatise after this and this is what we fear.

Traumatized? She isn't a fragile human being, with all that baggage it brings.

EDI is a very advanced program, maybe even sentient, but i doubt part of her program is being overly affected by events she has no control over. People seem to assume that just because an AI might become sentient by definition that it must also come with all the flaws of humananity, our egos and our emotions.

EDI is a machine, programmed for war, not some wimpy teen emokid who is looking to be traumatized by every event in his or her life.

[Dead Shizno]

Cowboy_christo wrote...

EDI isnt a freaking equivalent of Moya from farscape. Its an AI.

No Moya is a living ship,her hull grows like fleash,even the insides of her ship are vastly diffrent from other ships of her same race,they even have genders now i miss farscape

[Omega-202]

marshalleck wrote...

Someone didn't read Revelation. The Alliance is quite keen on AI research actually. Go to the Wiki and look up Sidon.

I read it, but it seems like you didn't.  Or you simply didn't understand the circumstances what-so-ever.  

Sure, the Alliance had AI research going on but they weren't trying to develop AI to implant into ships.  The purported purpose was academic.  And even then, the entire project was VERY hush.  Only a handful of people knew what was going on at the Sidon base.  The Alliance as a whole did not approve of the project.  

I mean, even Ambassador Goyle was completely surprised as to the nature of the research base.  

Compare that with EDI.  If you're doing a refit on an entire ship, you're going to have HUNDREDS of technicians, engineers and support staff working on a ship with an implanted AI ingrained into every one of its systems.  A lot of people are going to very publicly find out that there is a fully functioning and quite powerful AI in control of the most advanced ship in the Alliance fleet.  

Sidon was covert and not approved of or known about by Alliance higher-ups.  EDI is going to be relatively hard to cover up.  

Not to mention that humanity has already gotten a "slap on the wrist" for the incident with Dr. Qian in regards to AI development.  The Alliance got a warning.  They were told that next time, sanctions would be taken.  Do you think that the other Council races forgot that?  

[TexasToast712]

They probably just re-shackle her.