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[Theminimanx]

IsaacShep wrote...

I-am-Biwinning wrote...


Of course, and those who do it deliberately probably also have a playthrough where most everyone survived. I have a shepard where I let everyone die, and I really named him, "Stupid Shepard". I am curious to see how the universe falls apart around him, but don't expect that he will recieve any special treatment. My point was that if someone really did have everyone die on their only playthrough, they likely rushed it making terrible desicions for lack of interest in the story, and would continue to do so in the next game.

Or they're RPing hardcore renegade Sheps. As much as I agree with you about the consequences of choices, there should be content for Renegade Sheps as well.

But not letting them have as many squad members isn't punishing the Renegade Sheps, it's punishing the Idiot Sheps. Even if you're doing a full renegade playthrough you can still let everyone survive the suicide mission. The only way to have squadmembers die is if
a: they are disloyal, and Renegade Sheps can secure everyone's loyalty just like Paragon Shep, so no Renegade Shep disadvantages.
or
b: you assign the wrong squad members to the wrong things during the mission, and this isn't in any way a paragon/renegade choice.

[Fidget6]

It's possible to have all squaddies dead except Morinth (have only Morinth and Zaeed survive and then kill Zaeed on his loyalty mission.) I'm so tempted to import that file (with Wrex dead from ME1 of course) and see how they deal with THAT without retconning. 

Modifié par Fidget6, 09 juin 2011 - 09:40 .

[Undertone]

I think in the case of Wrex dead, Shepard will have to work with Wreav. But yeah other then that I can't see that save working without resulting in lack of content. Maybe they''ll start with worse case scenario moving to the most popular cases (where everyone saves everyone).

[thatguy212]

Fidget6 wrote...

It's possible to have all squaddies dead except Morinth (have only Morinth and Zaeed survive and then kill Zaeed on his loyalty mission.) I'm so tempted to import that file (with Wrex dead from ME1 of course) and see how they deal with THAT without retconning. 

I'm like 99% sure you can't leave his to die if he's one of two remain squadmembers

[J. Finley]

I'm most interested in how they implement this, hopefully they give us an answer soon.

I guess replacing them could work, only if the replacements were as interesting as the characters that died. There would be no point in replacing them if nobody ever wanted to talk to them or bring them on missions.

Most likely what will happen is that you just have a smaller squad, with less content. Punishment for letting them die.

[Seboist]

I'm really curious as to how'd they handle a situation like Morinth and Samara being both dead.

[The_Illusive]

I don't like the idea of that the SM was about 'who will replace them if they died'. That will only be a lack of script.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

thatguy212 wrote...

Fidget6 wrote...

It's possible to have all squaddies dead except Morinth (have only Morinth and Zaeed survive and then kill Zaeed on his loyalty mission.) I'm so tempted to import that file (with Wrex dead from ME1 of course) and see how they deal with THAT without retconning. 

I'm like 99% sure you can't leave his to die if he's one of two remain squadmembers

Correct, I think Fidget is referring to Ecael's playthrough, in that Ecael had Kasumi alive as well, which allowed Ecael to kill off Zaeed, leaving Ecael with just Kasumi and Morinth.

I've got a playthrough with just Kasumi and Zaeed alive and made some decisions which would possibly make sorting out the mess in ME3 a whole lot harder

I WANT me to be facing a tougher challenge in that playthrough, I don't want to see 'replacement' squadmates for ones I killed off.

Someone taking Mordin's place during that Sur'Kesh, mission sure, just as am sure it'll be Wreav that is there in place of Wrex, but I doubt Mordin is going to be a proper squadmate in ME3.

I am more curious as to how they are going to handle squadmates we didn't recruit or how they'll handle Grunt and Legion if we left them on the Normandy in-active.

Tali, IMHO should be dead on Haestrom if didn't recruit her and if/when we meet the Quarians there should just be a mention of how she was in our squad when we defeated Saren. For Thane there should just be a news report possibly of how Nassana Dantius was killed but her killer died whilst escaping. Samara/Morinth, maybe some brief mention of her being somewhere. Not sure whether they'd mention Kasumi or Zaeed if they weren't recruited.

I really hope they handle Legion properly though, I know Geth have a hive mind so to speak but that doesn't mean we run into Legion Mk 2 if we sent him to Cerberus or didn't activate him, for one simple reason, if we did that we should be facing a whole lot more Geth intent on killing us because the Heretics would have managed to implement the virus into the True Geth. As for him dying with his mission completed, meh still shouldn't see Legion Mk.2 unless we give the new one a new name.... even if Legion obviously fits due to the reasoning behind giving him that name.

If a squaddie is dead whether biological or machine, they should remain dead.

[MegaBadExample]

Jack died in my game. (I had to choose Miranda during Jack's loyality mission.) So who is going to take her place? Some random person? Or will I just miss out.... =(

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

MegaBadExample wrote...

Jack died in my game. (I had to choose Miranda during Jack's loyality mission.) So who is going to take her place? Some random person? Or will I just miss out.... =(

Hopefully just miss out. They've already said that ME3 squad going to be smaller than ME2 so it is likely dead=dead with no replacement. Jack isn't exactly a character where an alternate makes sense for being in whatever position Jack is going to be in during ME3

You want someone in Jack's position in ME3, go replay the Suicide Mission and get her through it. Unless your squad is really messed up am sure there will be a way for you to do it.

Modifié par Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien, 10 juin 2011 - 09:59 .

[elarem]

I have paragon and renegade Shepards where no-one died on the SM, but to see what effect squad deaths on ME3 may have I have killed in playthroughs so far:

Jack and Tali - with Jack's death I don't expect much effect in ME3, but Tali's ....

Jacob and Samara - no big differences expected in ME3

I still have one more playthrough to achieve Miranda and Thane's deaths

The only characters I won't kill are Mordin, Grunt, Zaeed, Legion and Garrus - because I like them and want to see them in ME3.

I don't expect replacements for characters I've deliberately killed; but I would like their deaths to make the story somewhat different when I play those imports.

With Liara, Kaidan, Garrus and James Vega available in ME3 the smaller squad will probably be ok for my Shepard-Commanders.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Forgot another potential difference. I'm wondering if Tali will have been post-humously exonerated if you got her through the Suicide Mission without doing her loyalty mission and in the time gap she went off to deal with her trial and got killed in the process, seeing as when you accept the mission she stated she was looking at booking a shuttle off to deal with it solo.

As Mordin would say... so many variables!

Modifié par Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien, 10 juin 2011 - 11:40 .

[HappyHappyJoyJoy]

You get replacements.

Lose Samara? You get Biotic God.
Lose Garrus? You get Conrad Verner.
Lose Grunt? You get the Blue Rose of Illium guy.
It'd be awesome.

[GamerJ]

all my squad mates survived =-p
here is my guess about me3 squadmates and alliances =-]

i think the graybox from kasumi can also play a role in me3

zaeeds: role i dont know maby he joins the alliance again and become a badass soldier

mordins role i already have seen it in a demo gameplay he helps wrex with the genophage(or however u write it)

i seen legion in the trailer he is in the geth ship(probilly sending in the last geth platform to aid u and if ur destroyed it and legion died maby then the geth are against u)

Grunt: maby leads the urdnot clan while wrex is busy with the genophage

Jacob: i dont know maby hes just a standard crew member like kelly

Miranda: maby she helps you find the cerberus HQ

Samara: maby leave you to fight crime(or stays with u to fight the reaper crimes)

Thane: maby he is usable later in the game becuse hes somewere to cure his disease

Garrus: hes a squad member again saw him also in a gameplay

Tali: maby going to lead the flotilla (if not exciled)

Jack: i think she going to destroy her enemy cerberus with or without ur help

other squad mates
liara
kaiden/ashley
(captain anderson maby saw him in the escape of earth gameplay he was with shepard)

other alliances
the rachni (if u saved the rachni queen in me1)
clan urdnot lead by grunt
geth lead by legion
flotilla lead by tali
maby some support from the council (if their not to busy defending their own worlds x-P )
admiral hackett and the alliance ofcourse
maby some fleets of the other races to
(curios or we will see more hannars vorcha ect in me3 or how the batarians will act)

well we will see i just cant wait for me3 =-D

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

I don't think people should get replacements, so there should be holes in your squad.

If it's not intentional, best zombie squad joke ever.

[TexasToast712]

I want people who purposely killed off squaddies to be punished. I want ME2 squaddies back as permanent ones.

[ShadyKat]

I assume that Vega is Garrus's replacement. From the e3 footage, he appears to fight most of the time with a sniper rifle. Just my guess. So I assume we will get a new engineer type character to be on the squad just in case Tali died in ME2.