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[Kandid001]

Typical PR horse**** in order not to alienate the newcomers.

[kaiki01]

shinobi602 wrote...

I know it's most likely PR talk there but......every time I heard him say this I really cringed. It's the best place to start because we start at Earth and fight the war from there? How does that make it the best way to "start" the series?

"ME2 is the best place to start", now "ME3 is the best place to start".....why Casey? Why is each game supposed to be its own separate story?

Instead it should be "Yea, you can start at ME3 and you'll be brought up to speed, but you're going to miss a lot of decisions and great moments in previous games that won't show up in ME3." or something along those lines.

*sigh*

Take off the rose-tinted glasses. If I was going to suggest ME vs ME2 to a friend who has never heard of either game, I would suggest ME2. It is a better game. If ME3 is as good as ME2 is to ME, I would suggest people start with ME3. If they really like it, they can always go back to ME.

That is better then telling them, go play ME & maybe get turned off by flawed gameplay, dated graphics & needlessly complex inventory managment.

[Fondle Ganoosh]

Casey Hudson is a wealthy man who wants more ducats. Simple as that.

[Insom]

It's terrible to start anywhere except ME1. I think ME2 would be an awful starting point. You got so many references to things that happened in ME1 and characters that know you. A new player doesn't give a crap about Garrus and has no idea about the character's backstory in the game.

[crimzontearz]

as long as Bioware stops catering to the lazy and the stupid I do not care what the PR lines are.

[kaiki01]

Insom wrote...

It's terrible to start anywhere except ME1. I think ME2 would be an awful starting point. You got so many references to things that happened in ME1 and characters that know you. A new player doesn't give a crap about Garrus and has no idea about the character's backstory in the game.

And if they start ME1 they still won't give a crap about the characters or setting. They will just have to play through a game that isn't that good compared to ME2.

[Metalunatic]

Memmahkth wrote...


It's not simply marketing.

Think about music. You hear a song on the radio, or a fan vid, or in a game, commercial, wherever. You find out who it is, what the song is. You get it. Then you get the album. If you like that, you try to see what their discography is like. Would you tell people that like a song from a band, that they cannot like or get into the band's currently album without going back and listening to the band's first release? Come on now..

Talk about a really bad comparison...

Listening to the most recent song of an artist/a band doesn't leave you with a ''what the hell just happened?'' -face when someone tells you left a squadmember to die on some planet called Virmire.

[Insom]

kaiki01 wrote...

Insom wrote...

It's terrible to start anywhere except ME1. I think ME2 would be an awful starting point. You got so many references to things that happened in ME1 and characters that know you. A new player doesn't give a crap about Garrus and has no idea about the character's backstory in the game.

And if they start ME1 they still won't give a crap about the characters or setting. They will just have to play through a game that isn't that good compared to ME2.

The story is superior, and this is a story focused series. The COD and Gears crowd should start on 3. RPG players should play all 3.

[Lenimph]

Savber100 wrote...

They have two options: Go telling everyone that you should spend $80 more dollars in order to understand ME3 or just start on ME3, which is supposedly the best game.
 

80$ 

Huh  

ME1 and ME2 both cost 20$

20+20=40

ME2 costs more for the ps3 but they can't even play ME on ps3 so... where the heck are you getting 80$ dollars from?! 

[Village_Idiot]

He's hardly going to say "Here's a list of all Mass Effect games, DLC, and expanded universe media. Good luck getting through all of it before March!"

[ArcanistLibram]

ME1 is the best place to start because it's the first installment, ME2 is the best place to start because it has better gameplay than ME1 and ME3 is the best place to start because that's where the action is. Take your pick.

[Lunatic LK47]

Lenimph wrote...

Savber100 wrote...

They have two options: Go telling everyone that you should spend $80 more dollars in order to understand ME3 or just start on ME3, which is supposedly the best game.
 

80$ 

Huh  

ME1 and ME2 both cost 20$

20+20=40

ME2 costs more for the ps3 but they can't even play ME on ps3 so... where the heck are you getting 80$ dollars from?! 

Uh, the $80 is INCLUDING THE DLC (which all of them ARE CANON)

[Aimi]

Lenimph wrote...

80$ 

Huh  

ME1 and ME2 both cost 20$

20+20=40

ME2 costs more for the ps3 but they can't even play ME on ps3 so... where the heck are you getting 80$ dollars from?! 

Nitpicking.  Either way, it involves spending a sizable chunk of money and an even more sizable chunk of time playing two games just to be able to understand a third.  Like they'd tell people to do that.

[kaiki01]

Insom wrote...

kaiki01 wrote...

Insom wrote...

It's terrible to start anywhere except ME1. I think ME2 would be an awful starting point. You got so many references to things that happened in ME1 and characters that know you. A new player doesn't give a crap about Garrus and has no idea about the character's backstory in the game.

And if they start ME1 they still won't give a crap about the characters or setting. They will just have to play through a game that isn't that good compared to ME2.

The story is superior, and this is a story focused series. The COD and Gears crowd should start on 3. RPG players should play all 3.

I disagree that the story of ME1 is superior.
If a new player enjoys ME2 they can always go back. If they remade ME1 using ME2 gameplay. Then I would say with no hesitation "Start with ME1". But the lacking gameplay is a big hurdle. And introducing a new player to a series you should lower that hurdle as much as you can.

[Lenimph]

Lunatic LK47 wrote...

 
Uh, the $80 is INCLUDING THE DLC (which all of them ARE CANON)

That doesn't mean someone has to buy them to understand ME3 and Shepards story.
I would say the only ones you would need to buy to understand ME3 is Shadow Broker and Arrival.  Oh whoopie 60 dollars... (including ME1)

Which happens to be the ps3 price (for just ME2)... that comes with most of the dlc 

[GreenDragon37]

Mr.House wrote...

It's PR, no one is that stupid to believe the last act of a trilogy is the best time to jump in.

This. Honestly, ME2 isn't immune to this either. I would be having a lot of "WTF?" moments if I hadn't played ME1 two years prior to ME2's release.

Modifié par GreenDragon37, 09 juin 2011 - 08:37 .

[Mr.House]

Lenimph's pony is

[marshalleck]

Memmahkth wrote...

So all you people saying, "it's just marketing" are telling everyone that has not playing any mass effect game, that they have to start with Mass Effect, released in 2008. So before they can pick up and play Mass Effect 3, they have to go back 4 years and play something that doesn't play as well, or look as nice?

They don't have to, but it would be worth their time and money since both are good games that cost half as much as a new release and last twice as long. 

[Mr.House]

kaiki01 wrote...

Insom wrote...

It's terrible to start anywhere except ME1. I think ME2 would be an awful starting point. You got so many references to things that happened in ME1 and characters that know you. A new player doesn't give a crap about Garrus and has no idea about the character's backstory in the game.

And if they start ME1 they still won't give a crap about the characters or setting. They will just have to play through a game that isn't that good compared to ME2.

ME2 is trash compared to ME. Fun gameplay can go so far.

[matt-bassist]

lol thats like watching return of the jedi first

[marshalleck]

matt-bassist wrote...

lol thats like watching return of the jedi first

And most people realize that when they see the '2' or '3' in each sequel's title; thus the "best place to jump in" is really only intended to hype the game and allay fears that the game would be incomprehensible without playing the others.

Casey could make this statement about pretty much any Bioware game featuring a Codex, since they really provide all the necessary background information if one takes the time to read it.

Modifié par marshalleck, 09 juin 2011 - 08:48 .

[Mr.House]

kaiki01 wrote...

I disagree that the story of ME1 is superior.
If a new player enjoys ME2 they can always go back. If they remade ME1 using ME2 gameplay. Then I would say with no hesitation "Start with ME1". But the lacking gameplay is a big hurdle. And introducing a new player to a series you should lower that hurdle as much as you can.

You seem to think these players would not enjoy ME gameplay, surrpise peopel do.

Modifié par Mr.House, 09 juin 2011 - 08:48 .

[Lenimph]

daqs wrote...

Nitpicking.  Either way, it involves spending a sizable chunk of money and an even more sizable chunk of time playing two games just to be able to understand a third.  Like they'd tell people to do that.

 
No they wouldn't, but it probably wouldn't hurt for someone in ME3 marketing to say that ME and ME2 are worth checking out considering we're 9 months away from release.  Now is the time to get caught up. 
And no I'm not nitpicking  I do think 40$  is a sizable difference from 80$  

Mr.House wrote...
Lenimph's pony is

Aw thank you, made her myself. 

[Nozybidaj]

JeffZero wrote...
They're all incredibly interconnected and we know that.

They are?  I barely felt any connection at all in ME2 to the game I played in ME. /shrug

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AwesomeEffect2 wrote...

Playing ME1 for ME2 is almost pointless. There is barely any continuity and real consequences unless you like e-mails and news reports.

Decisions barely mattered and Bioware said that DLCs will be canon.  I'm pessimistic and I think ME3 will be the only game that truly matters, the decisions you make here will impact how the trilogy will end. It will have it's own standalone story and it will barely matter whether you played the first two games at all. So practically, ME3 is the best place to start.

This.

Modifié par Nozybidaj, 09 juin 2011 - 08:59 .