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Arbiter156 wrote...

PoliteAssasin wrote...

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PCWorld Mass Effect 3 Preview: A Shooter to the Core :unsure:


Since when was it geeky to like RPG elements? Not everyone who loves RPG's are hardcore DnD fans. And apparently they haven't seen the new footage of the RPG features released yesterday.

-Polite

since most modern day reviewers are idiots who probably dont play video games much (a bit like fox news then in that respect)Image IPB


It's becoming more and more important to find sites that actually know how to report on gaming news professionally it's true. Most of the major sites devoted to gaming are either awful, inaccurate, hyperbolic and sensationalist, or any number of other things. You have to take almost everything you read on them with a pinch of salt.

Conversely the problem is a lot of the smaller sites are incredibly bitter and cynical about certain topics and games.

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im an equal opportunity mass murderer, id prefer to kill children as well as men, women, and aliens.

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I don't understand why people are complaining that Mass Effect 3 has improved the shooter mechanics instead of leaving them as flawed as in the first. Just because combat plays like a shooter does not mean the game does not have RPG components, this isn't Baldurs Gate...That much should have been obvious from the start. As for the previews, they make me look forward to ME3 a lot. It appears to contain improved narrative, story, a lot more places to visit and weapon mods not to mention more levelling options.

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Memphis Slim wrote...

He was talking about E3 in general with the QTEs and rail-shooting, not ME3 exclusively. He liked the UbiSoft conference and small dev games for actually trying to go against the grain with what they were presenting. Also, going off the rest of his feed, he understands E3 just fine--he's just not making excuses for it. Which is cool; journalists aren't PR.


Ah I misread the QTE thing, but the rest stands. He doesn't seem to have taken into account the reason why BioWare are showing off the 'shooter bits'. Hell the gaming press are partly responsible for the way we look at games and the reason why E3 is aimed at a different audience to the one who wants depth and mechanics. Although it has always been a glitzy daftness fest.

I just don't get the complaining that it looks like a Gears clone now. It has -always- had Gears similarities, the only thing that makes ME3 any different is one turret/on rails sequence shown purely to show off the scale of the nasties we'll be fighting. All the things that set ME apart are shown to still be there.

A lot of the complaining about that overlooks a bunch of the other things they talked about or showed, doesn't consider that E3 isn't the right setting for revealing talky bits and RPG mechanics (sadly, and they ended up giving us a look at them anyway) and thus jumping on the 'it's a shooter omg' bandwagon even though we have months of previews to come that will look at other elements of the game.

It's not just him, there are others too and it grinds my gears. <_< It's like presuming Skyrim will only feature a male Nord as a playable character (which I have actually seen someone presume incidentally).

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Eh.... Am I the only one getting saddened by the trailer at the escapist?

I mean... Compare it to the trailer for ME2. That trailer gave me the goosebombs back then and made me think the game was actually a rpg. The trailer they showed at the excapist just looked like a random b-action game :( And the music... Seriously... Give the guy that thought that kind of music would make for a good choice a hard slap at the back of his head -.-

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Mass Effect 3 looks great so far, but recent previews of another game have made me distrust certain big magazines/websites ...

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ScepticMatt wrote...

Mass Effect 3 looks great so far, but recent previews of another game have made me distrust certain big magazines/websites ...


Ah, yes, DA2.

What a... conflicted game that was.

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PoliteAssasin wrote...

Didn't mean to offend you or your game in any way, it's just that personally I wouldn't cry over something like that in a video game. Movies, thats a different story, but game's haven't really reached that, and I'm going to use one of your favorite marketing terms here, emotional engagement for me.

-Polite

Epic fail.

Movies are not a different story. This hasn't been true for years if not decades. Stories are stories, and it doesn't matter if you're crying over a child in Mass Effect or E.T. or Wheel of Time. It's just pixels? Sure, or just pictures in serial, or just letters on a page. Except they're not. The quote is probably apocryphal, but it's a common story that Abraham Lincoln once said of Harriet Beecher Stowe: "So this is the little lady who started this great war", referring to her novel Uncle Tom's Cabin. 

They're not real (in this universe), and either you're "crying over something that isn't real" or you're not. And frankly, if any games have equaled the best movies (and surpassed the tons of dreck by light years), it's the Mass Effect series.

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it's kind of surprise that Bioshock infinite took most of awards. or is that lame? ME 3 got only one (the best RPG). so Bioshock infinite will be greater? we will see the final result when we will actually get on our hands. other than we don't know yet. 2K is not so great gaming company as promise. I don't hate Bioshock infinite. but it seems unfair bit. by the way, duke nukem forver review is up. as I guessed, it got **** score. joystiq gave it 2 out of 5. average Xbox 360 score is 55. it is made by 2K. however even though I said 'it's unfair', I don't care. I just believe that Bioware is a lot better than 2K, and never made **** like that. just like ME 2, ME 3 will get tons of awards next year again.

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KennethAFTopp wrote...

good Mass Effect 3 coverage, but honestly? E3 sucked this year.


Errrrrrrr......

Looking forward to:

Mass Effect 3
Batman: Arkham City
CoD: MW 3
Battlefield
Halo: Anniversary
Halo 4
TES 5: Skyrim
Gears of War 3
Star Wars: The Old Republic
Star Wars: Kinect
Gonna Get Kinect soon

Really FAIL to see how this E3 sucked for any kind of game enthusiast, especially FPS and RPG fans. 

Um, yeah...some of us are really not FPS fans in here, and I have zero interest in Gears of Testosterone and Kinect, so...yeah. Which, from your list, leaves Arkham City (WANT) and Skyrim. I've never played Elder Scrolls before, but I have to admit that one does look kind of interesting...but that's a "huh, may want to check that out." And think about it: how many of the big E3 titles were E3 announcements, rather than "here's where we are?" When ME3 and Skyward Sword were my two biggest cases of fanboy-ing, and they were both cases of showing us more rather than making our jaws drop, well...not the most exciting E3 ever. My wife was excited by the AC: Revelations reveals, but that was another case of more, not new, IMO.

I'm not saying that E3 was complete fail, mind you. As a Wii owner, I'm jazzed to see Nintendo finally join the 21st century with HD and without the fracking Friend Codes. (Zelda HD? Yeah, I had a fangasm. ;-) There were some very exciting announcements for the new console. Aaand...that's about it.

Getting back on topic, though...I think it's a really good sign that aside from the Wii U (gah, what a horrible name), the ME3 reveal was probably the highlight of the show. They were wise to keep reveals to a minimum until this week, because I, for one, was blown away. Yes, I'm going to kvetch about those fracking thermal clips until they plant me, but other than that the game looks almost perfect. Close to ME1 levels of character advancement for Shepard (and the new branching paths look great), serious de-gimping of companions, the return of weapon modification, the "massive scale" is actually everything they said it'd be (thus far)...and I get Liara back! Yeah, I'm a happy Paragon today. :)

My main concerns are more personal: we haven't seen armor modification, the details of the big choices are by necessity still mysterious, and as a Sentinel player, I want to know which powers I'm getting back (I loved Tech Armor, but I really missed Lift, to the point of switching one playthrough to Adept for Pull). So we'll see...but the only reason I'm waiting to pre-order is to find out which retailer is going to get the best exclusive content.

Modifié par RolandX9, 10 juin 2011 - 11:25 .


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Apollo Starflare wrote...
I just don't get the complaining that it looks like a Gears clone now. It has -always- had Gears similarities, the only thing that makes ME3 any different is one turret/on rails sequence shown purely to show off the scale of the nasties we'll be fighting. All the things that set ME apart are shown to still be there.


Well,  it gets called that because it tossed out many RPG mechanics and implemented many of Gears of War's mechanics.  It doesn't help any that Norman makes it very clear that her motivation is "Shooter!".

A lot of the complaining about that overlooks a bunch of the other things they talked about or showed, doesn't consider that E3 isn't the right setting for revealing talky bits and RPG mechanics (sadly, and they ended up giving us a look at them anyway) and thus jumping on the 'it's a shooter omg' bandwagon even though we have months of previews to come that will look at other elements of the game.

It's not just him, there are others too and it grinds my gears. <_< It's like presuming Skyrim will only feature a male Nord as a playable character (which I have actually seen someone presume incidentally).


I'm afraid I have to respectfully disagree with you.

For at least 15 years,  many studios managed to successfully demonstrate RPG's,  RPG mechanics,  Dialogue,  Choices,  and many other things without any difficulty at all.  For at least 15 years,  it was the right setting.

Now they only show "Shooter!",  and they do so far a reason,  it's obviously Norman's priority.  She's very obviously not interested in RPG mechanics,  as she minimizes them,  removes them,  glosses over them,  and outright lies about them being present "There's noncombat skills!".

Truth is,  this E3 showed how the Industry is right on the brink of a market collapse.  Everything's a Shooter,  even the Action-Adventure games are more Shooter than anything else (Uncharted is a good example).  The Industry,  through a decade of bad management,  and trying to emulate the previous year or two's big sellers,  has managed to put just about every publisher on the brink of disaster.  Zenimax is severely overextended,  Ubisoft isn't pushing out huge successes,  Atari's pretty much dead in the water,  EA's banking all it's hopes on Star Wars and praying that the NFL extends it's license,  which looks increasingly unlikely.

So what do they do?  Make the games that traditionally sold the most,  Shooters,  to try and shore up profits,  rather than take risks on other genres with lower chances of blow-out sales.  Endless sequels instead of new properties because they think name recognition will move a few more units.

It's a guaranteed path straight to disaster.  Imagine for a moment,  that suddenly Hollywood just started making endless imitations of Avatar,  or TVLand started making endless versions of "Dancing with the Stars",  because the original sold really well.  What would happen?  People would quit watching.

So what happens when every game is made a Shooter?  People quit playing.  You can only sell the same game so many times,  and they're making everything into the same game.  Mass Effect?  Gears of War.  Fallout?  Doom.  X-com?  Doom.  Any and every game that can have pure Shooter shoved into it is getting it.

Gamer fatiuge sets in,  people get tired of the same game over and over and over.  Games stop selling,  Publishers go bankrupt.  Studios can't currently survive without publishers,  they go next.

With Consoles,  a hardware refresh staves this off for a little while,  but MS and Sony are in trouble.  There's no way to manage the heat and power reqs of today's chips with today's tech in those little boxes,  they absolutely cannot ship anything any time soon.  That's why we got the Kinect and Move,  it was a stopgap attempt at giving them more time for a hardware refresh,  because usually the refresh will alleviate some Fatigue by introducing better graphics,  new possibilities for software features due to increased resources in the hardware,  and potentially new control schemes allowing for new gameplay types.

It didn't happen,  and it isn't happening.  So we've got exactly what the SNES and Genesis had,  old hardware and every game is essentially the same.  Same thing will happen here,  people will grow bored and the market will crash.

You can see it coming,  2010 was down for the whole year despite having 800lb gorillas like Starcraft,  Pokemon,  Grand Turismo, and a WoW expansion release.  2011 was down several months,  sometimes as much as 15% from an already bleak 2010.  The only thing that's saved the numbers so far was COD,  and it's a real shame when one game with only 13 million sales saves you,  considering there's an order of magnitude more Consoles out there,  nevermind the computers.

Edit:

They can no longer stave off disaster either.  It takes 18-36 months to make a game,  at this point,  by the time they manage to alter course and support genres other than Shooter,  and new properties,  it'll be way too late.  The Industry isn't going to manage to survive another year and a half to three years on just Shooters,  since they're already losing significant revenues.

Bright side is,  this is cyclical,  historically,  when the Console market pushes itself into disaster,  PC Gaming rises and takes hold for about 7-10 years.

Modifié par Gatt9, 10 juin 2011 - 11:36 .


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archurban wrote...

it's kind of surprise that Bioshock infinite took most of awards. or is that lame? ME 3 got only one (the best RPG). so Bioshock infinite will be greater? we will see the final result when we will actually get on our hands. other than we don't know yet. 2K is not so great gaming company as promise. I don't hate Bioshock infinite. but it seems unfair bit. by the way, duke nukem forver review is up. as I guessed, it got **** score. joystiq gave it 2 out of 5. average Xbox 360 score is 55. it is made by 2K. however even though I said 'it's unfair', I don't care. I just believe that Bioware is a lot better than 2K, and never made **** like that. just like ME 2, ME 3 will get tons of awards next year again.


You are talking about IGN (http://games.ign.com.../1165247p1.html), right? 

I would say, it is somehow understandable. I mean, when it comes to previews and promotion of new, unique, original or at least previously less covered ideas and stuff, game critics tend to be more lenient towards them - they want to give such games a chance, even if that means less attention to more common games. Mass Effect games and few other series have already been deeply covered during previous years, so unless the developers bring something really new, they will not get as much promotion and praise as they used to have.

Therefore, I was for example a little bit surprised that Uncharted 3 has again won best PS3 award (OTOH, it has not won the best action game for example).

The situation will most probably be different when it will come to actual GoTY awards. There, games will be again assessed on their actual quality, so Mass Effect 3 will have a much bigger chance. But even then, I do not expect it to surpass the record set by Mass Effect 2. But we shall see. ;) 

Modifié par Varen Spectre, 11 juin 2011 - 12:00 .


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IGN just released their E3 awards and ME3 won the "Best Role-Playing Game" category!

Congratulations guys!

http://games.ign.com.../1165247p1.html

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Read the IGN article about the kid. Makes me laugh just picturing the kid scene.

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felipejiraya wrote...

IGN just released their E3 awards and ME3 won the "Best Role-Playing Game" category!

Congratulations guys!

http://games.ign.com.../1165247p1.html


As much as I love ME, I feel like the award should have gone to Skyrim.

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I greatly look forward to ME3!  While they didn't show much at E3 it was no different than how they handled showing ME2.  Would I have loved to have played a demo while roaming the expo floor?  You bet!  But in the end I understand them wanting to keep it all hush-hush. 

This, along with a handful of other games, I await with great anticipation!  Keep up the great work Bioware.

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I don't understand where people get the idea that Mass Effect is turning into a shooter. I've played a lot of shooters and I've played even more RPGs (they are my favorite) and Mass Effect is not a shooter. It's an action RPG with shooter quality battle mechanics, which is good because shooters typically focus on having the best battle mechanics possible - that being their purpose and all. So, combine the best battle mechanics possible and put them into an RPG setting, and you've got one awesome game.

I know what an RPG is and Mass Effect is a glorious re-invention of the genre, in all the best ways.

Frankly I just don't get what the fuss is all about.

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So happy for ME3 winning Best RPG and TReboot Best Action (suck it Uncharted :police:)

Varen Spectre wrote...
Therefore, I was for example a little
bit surprised that Uncharted 3 has again won best PS3 award (OTOH, it
has not won the best action game for example).

It's a nonsense to me that there are separate categorties for systems at all since PS360 exclusives always win which basically means they get extra award for being exclusive. What kind of an achievement is that lol?

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Faerlyte wrote...

I don't understand where people get the idea that Mass Effect is turning into a shooter. I've played a lot of shooters and I've played even more RPGs (they are my favorite) and Mass Effect is not a shooter. It's an action RPG with shooter quality battle mechanics, which is good because shooters typically focus on having the best battle mechanics possible - that being their purpose and all. So, combine the best battle mechanics possible and put them into an RPG setting, and you've got one awesome game.

I know what an RPG is and Mass Effect is a glorious re-invention of the genre, in all the best ways.

Frankly I just don't get what the fuss is all about.


Yeah....I don't get it either.  The Mass Effect series may have shooter qualities to it, but that doesn't make it a shooter.

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IGN is a pretty damn stupid website as always.
I don't care who won the best RPG since I am eagerly looking forward to both Skyrim and ME3 but Bioshock Infinite getting so many awards including "Best Overall Game", "Best PC Game and "Best Shooter"? Really?

And Tomb Raider? Give me a break. Those guys are just horny teenagers diggin' the moans.

Games that should have gotten some recognition at least.
Skyrim
Battlefield 3
Arkham City

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Eh.... Am I the only one getting saddened by the trailer at the escapist?

I mean... Compare it to the trailer for ME2. That trailer gave me the goosebombs back then and made me think the game was actually a rpg. The trailer they showed at the excapist just looked like a random b-action game :( And the music... Seriously... Give the guy that thought that kind of music would make for a good choice a hard slap at the back of his head -.-


the ponit of the (and 90% of all trailers, if not all) is to get someone who would otherwise not buy to buy it. trailers aren't made to show you info on the game or convince you to buy it. you are already actively looking for info and have probably preordered (like most people here) the game already. hence the music and the actiony nature of the trailer.

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 This is why Mass Effect 3 will bring Halo to its knees.

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The Unfallen wrote...

 This is why Mass Effect 3 will bring Halo to its knees.


Why is an action RPG competing with an FPS?

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PoliteAssasin wrote...

I'm sorry but IGN's getting a little too dramatic. It's a video game. Virtual reality, not actual reality. Crying over pixels is pretty sad.

-Polite


I needed a towel when watching "Braveheart", I cried that much. I have cried over a book (Toby died), and I have cried over a TV-serie (David Tennant's last Doctor Who, man did I cry!).

Emotional people with lots of imagination are like that. It is not sad, it is the source of most artistic creativity in this world. You not having access to those feelings make me sad, I know they are a great source of enjoyment for me.

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As an adult I doubt I'd ever have that kind of emotional investment in a game like ME3, (as a kid I cried at all sorts of things, books, movies, books, cartoons) but it is cool to see that kind of potential for emotional investment in the game. Thankfully the game won't be out for almost a year, so I'll have plenty of time to forget this spoiler before I play the scenario.

Either way, I am very excited about ME3 and really regret the fact that the DLC is over and still we have almost a year before the game hits stores.